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Scandy 1050 MB
18 November 2015 08:22:11

Not very exciting charts this morning - looks to be standard November fare on ECM - this is interesting in deep FI on GFS though:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0  


Does end up as a toppler but chance of another cold shot were that to verify.


8-10 day forecast looks like the return of the Euro slug possibly ,but winds more from the W/NW this time around so not as mild as it has been if this comes off:


http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


 


 


 

nsrobins
18 November 2015 08:47:01


Not very exciting charts this morning - looks to be standard November fare on ECM - this is interesting in deep FI on GFS though:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=336&mode=0  


Does end up as a toppler but chance of another cold shot were that to verify.


8-10 day forecast looks like the return of the Euro slug possibly ,but winds more from the W/NW this time around so not as mild as it has been if this comes off:


http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


 


 


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


This had been the general theme for some weeks, with a gradual down tick of maxes as the flow occasionally swings into vectors north of west (the MetO extended scripts have been modifying to reflect this ad has my own outlook). The brief cold blast this weekend is a nice departure and we are likely to see a rinse and repeat a few times going towards December.


One thing of note and this is entirely based on visual of charts but I think the colder upper air pushes into the W Atlantic look more potent than I've seen at this stage in previous years. It might mean NW flows are a few degrees colder than average. 


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eddied
18 November 2015 09:41:34
Well it's nice to see the progression to winter taking a few more steps forward anyway. NW flows aren't really the one from the perspective of my SE corner but it's encouraging to see some colder varieties being toyed with by the models at least.
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idj20
18 November 2015 11:54:55

Well it's nice to see the progression to winter taking a few more steps forward anyway. NW flows aren't really the one from the perspective of my SE corner but it's encouraging to see some colder varieties being toyed with by the models at least.

Originally Posted by: eddied 


 


Tell you something though, looking at some of the outputs, even if the snow thing fail to come off over the weekend (it is a very low chance in any case), the day time temperature of 3 C to 5 C and a 35 mph north wind on Saturday and into Sunday is really going to make it raw biting cold for our neck of the woods.
  That's going to be a real shock to the system after this current mild weather - in fact, I may even find myself issuing a rare wind chill factor advisory for this weekend in my own weather page.


 


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Gooner
18 November 2015 12:13:11


 


 


Tell you something though, looking at some of the outputs, even if the snow thing fail to come off over the weekend (it is a very low chance in any case), the day time temperature of 3 C to 5 C and a 35 mph north wind on Saturday and into Sunday is really going to make it raw biting cold for our neck of the woods.
  That's going to be a real shock to the system after this current mild weather - in fact, I may even find myself issuing a rare wind chill factor advisory for this weekend in my own weather page.


 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Indeed it is , rather chilly to say the least


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Gooner
18 November 2015 12:14:23

Well it's nice to see the progression to winter taking a few more steps forward anyway. NW flows aren't really the one from the perspective of my SE corner but it's encouraging to see some colder varieties being toyed with by the models at least.

Originally Posted by: eddied 


 


I agree a much fresher feel seems to be on the way with regular NWly outbreaks....breezy too


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Jonesy
18 November 2015 13:18:01

Quiet in here, surprising with some of the outputs over the last few days, it's more busy when the charts are showing mild weather...either that your the usual informative posters are worried about splinters 


I won't get excited till Quantum opens a dedicated thread for the weekend 


 


JFF


 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2015/11/18/basis06/ukuk/prty/15112112_1806.gif


 


Rain/Snowfall rate GFS Sa 21.11.2015 12 GMT


Weather type GFS Sa 21.11.2015 12 GMT


 


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nickward_uk
18 November 2015 19:49:53
very quiet on here considering...

still looking to be like a reasonable chance of streamers down the Cheshire Gap Saturday... winds certainly look they might be favourable
krusty
18 November 2015 20:17:37

very quiet on here considering...

still looking to be like a reasonable chance of streamers down the Cheshire Gap Saturday... winds certainly look they might be favourable

Originally Posted by: nickward_uk 


 


whats a streamer ? and how does it effect cheshire....if it does


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Gooner
18 November 2015 20:22:05


 


 


 



A cool flow from ECM


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Russwirral
18 November 2015 20:23:37


 


 


whats a streamer ? and how does it effect cheshire....if it does


Originally Posted by: krusty 


Streamers usually develop in unstable air on a northerly to northwesterly wind.  The cold spell looks too fleeting and too much of a northerly t the moment.  Meaning apart from places like Anglesey and Southwest Wales - most of western Britain will most likely stay dry.


 


By Sunday the cold is dissipating and returning to normal temps by Monday


 


So the lack of commotion on here is due to the fact that really this will present a small chance of a wintry shower in the early hours of Saturday, but most probably we will just be cold and dry away from mountains of Northern Britain.


 


Scottish ski resorts will do bestout of this.


Maunder Minimum
18 November 2015 20:29:18


A cool flow from ECM


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Cool maybe, but distinctly unexciting - too much pressure to our south, too little blocking to our north.


New world order coming.
Gooner
18 November 2015 20:32:12


 


Cool maybe, but distinctly unexciting - too much pressure to our south, too little blocking to our north.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Indeed but id rather that than mild crap .


 


 


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Whether Idle
18 November 2015 20:38:43


 


Cool maybe, but distinctly unexciting - too much pressure to our south, too little blocking to our north.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, the cold snap is a 2 day wonder for many.  Then its a return to conditions close to average, after the 2nd warmest start to November ever on record in the UK.  This will leave the monthly CET stranded well towards 10c as an end point as we head into the final third of November.


Its becoming increasingly difficult for me to suspend the hope that December and January will be able to overcome the warm inertia imposed upon the airs and seas hereabouts by this record breaking November.


I would like to see some cold weather sustained for a while but I fear it could be a long wait.  The only comfort being that despite all the above, the weather is still ultimately chaotic, and though the conditions seem stacked against a decent cold spell this winter, the outside possibility cannot be completely denied.  The charts can change quickly and therein lays the hope for something less zonal. 


 


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beanoir
18 November 2015 21:10:18
Given the charts over the last 24, I'm surprised how quiet it is in here, not like days of old anymore. Much more excitement on the other 2 sites.

That Euro high is not going to give up I fear, might as well have Christmas in Sydney
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Russwirral
18 November 2015 21:17:48

Given the charts over the last 24, I'm surprised how quiet it is in here, not like days of old anymore. ....

Originally Posted by: beanoir 


 


I think 2010 changed peoples thoughts about winter.  With alot of people comparing everything against it, or in some cases - it escersised some overdue Snow drought demons, which satisfied the appetites which has fueled the weather msg boards for many years.


 


So when the slightest chance of cold appears - which would have produced 2 or 3 model watch threads, now people discuss whether it will turn into 2010 / 2013 or 2009.


 


 


 


Zubzero
18 November 2015 21:31:00


 


 


I think 2010 changed peoples thoughts about winter.  With alot of people comparing everything against it, or in some cases - it escersised some overdue Snow drought demons, which satisfied the appetites which has fueled the weather msg boards for many years.


 


So when the slightest chance of cold appears - which would have produced 2 or 3 model watch threads, now people discuss whether it will turn into 2010 / 2013 or 2009.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


2010 was a once in a lifetime event, most people won't get excited over a brief Northerly plunge with some frost. And the outside chance of seeing a flake of snow

Foghorn
18 November 2015 21:32:16
If my memory serves me right a cold November usually means a warm winter, things usually balance out over time, and wet and warm is often followed by cold and dry, so with plenty of Highs popping up over Greenland and a fat one over Siberia, cold North Atlantic, and 2 mild winters behind us suggests to me a colder than normal winter to say the least........
sizzle
18 November 2015 21:38:07

I think its just nice to feel a bit of an early cold snap before winter starts, guessing games about a mild winter is just FI stuff, now casting is the real world that's why I like this forum,

David M Porter
18 November 2015 21:44:58


 


 


2010 was a once in a lifetime event, most people won't get excited over a brief Northerly plunge with some frost. And the outside chance of seeing a flake of snow


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


November 2010 was certainly exceptional in that the severe wintry spell commenced before the end of November; though I had occasionally seen snow in November previously, I cannot recall any other occasion in my lifetime when a sustained severe wintry spell commenced that early. December 2009 turned severe, but that did not occur until about a week before Xmas, three weeks or so later than in 2010.


Back to the here and now, and there is certainly no suggestion from the current output of a repeat of Nov 2010 in the offing. That said, it does look like turning somewhat cooler across the board compared to what we've seen over the past 3-4 weeks. It will certianly feel noticeably colder after the recent mildness.


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doctormog
18 November 2015 22:02:42
Level-heads analytical and accurate...at only 48hr this has snow written all over it for here so bank.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn481.gif 

Showing how low the bar is, this brief northerly blast may possibly be one of the snowiest snaps of weather here for a couple of years. Not to be sniffed at. The fact that this looks very exciting for me may be more indicative of the distinct lack of northerly blasts in the last year or two. Beyond that it looks rather typical November weather - somewhat unsettled and around average temperature for much of the time. Beyond then, who knows!
bledur
19 November 2015 05:48:26

If my memory serves me right a cold November usually means a warm winter, things usually balance out over time, and wet and warm is often followed by cold and dry, so with plenty of Highs popping up over Greenland and a fat one over Siberia, cold North Atlantic, and 2 mild winters behind us suggests to me a colder than normal winter to say the least........

Originally Posted by: Foghorn 


Maybe . CFS is picking something up for the Christmas period


KevBrads1
19 November 2015 06:09:48


 


 


I think 2010 changed peoples thoughts about winter.  With alot of people comparing everything against it, or in some cases - it escersised some overdue Snow drought demons, which satisfied the appetites which has fueled the weather msg boards for many years.


 


So when the slightest chance of cold appears - which would have produced 2 or 3 model watch threads, now people discuss whether it will turn into 2010 / 2013 or 2009.


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


 


People have been doing that for years. When an easterly appears on the models, January 1987 is conjured up. 1946-47 is always resurrected as an example of a winter arriving late. Cold zonality and January 1984.


This goes back before 2010, the only difference is that these have been now added to the list for comparison. 


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nsrobins
19 November 2015 08:22:16


 


 


People have been doing that for years. When an easterly appears on the models, January 1987 is conjured up. 1946-47 is always resurrected as an example of a winter arriving late. Cold zonality and January 1984.


This goes back before 2010, the only difference is that these have been now added to the list for comparison. 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


And I know you can cite many more examples than that, Kev 😀👌


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