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Phil G
16 November 2015 21:12:08
Seems like someone has provided a business case and invented this idea maybe to create a job for themselves. It was probably created by those that brought in all those coloured weather warnings which warn there maybe 20mm rain etc.
All joe public needs to know is it going to be wet and windy.

Our climate isn't dramatic enough to warrant this kind of attention. However, if we want to become more Americanised, I'm up for a new UK weather channel. Now that would receive a lot of viewers at all times during the day and would be self funding through the advertising revenue it would receive.







Quantum
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17 November 2015 02:08:39

I have another bit of advice for the metoffice regarding their warnings. I think they should introduce a 4th warning that sits between Yellow and Amber. I don't know if its just me, but if there are more than 17 snow flakes falling a yellow warning will be issued. I think we should have 4 warnings, Yellow, orange, red and purple. With the new orange sitting between the old yellow and orange.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
NMA
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17 November 2015 09:27:55


It certainly does make the general public more aware of the potential for bad weather - had someone ring me this afternoon to ask about Barney (at which point I hadnt seen anything to suggest any particularly bad weather - had to make a quick look to see what all the fuss was about!).   The downside is when the weather isnt actually that bad and folk go back to complacency.

I suppose it is an interesting experiment?


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


And I hope they drop it as it is becoming confusing. By the end of the British winter there will probably have been so many that no one will be able to remember them all.


People really are thinking these named storms are hurricanes and we have never had them before. As Dew says why not name fogs, severe frosts, freezing rain, blizzards etc.


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Brian Gaze
17 November 2015 09:30:24

Seems like someone has provided a business case and invented this idea maybe to create a job for themselves. It was probably created by those that brought in all those coloured weather warnings which warn there maybe 20mm rain etc.
All joe public needs to know is it going to be wet and windy.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 


By doing this they've either advertently or inadvertently introduced new keywords on the digital channels. As they are responsible for issuing the currency they're in the prime position to profit from it. 


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idj20
17 November 2015 09:54:48


I have another bit of advice for the metoffice regarding their warnings. I think they should introduce a 4th warning that sits between Yellow and Amber. I don't know if its just me, but if there are more than 17 snow flakes falling a yellow warning will be issued. I think we should have 4 warnings, Yellow, orange, red and purple. With the new orange sitting between the old yellow and orange.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 



No, it'll just make what is already a complex looking system even more laden than ever. I think there should just be the two levels.

"Advisory" as in the case of possible snow, ice, fog, heavy rain and wind where things are still passable but with care and a bit of commonsense, today is a good example of that. 
"Danger" as in stay at home or workplace unless it is absolutely necessary and stay put until the danger or high risk passes over (could apply to blizzards, storm force winds, torrential rain, etc). 

At the end of the day, all people want to know if it is going to get bad or not without needing a scientific slide rule to work out the different grading levels and still be no wiser for it.


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Phil G
17 November 2015 11:11:52
Advisory or Danger.
Like that Ian.
Phil G
17 November 2015 11:14:35


 


By doing this they've either advertently or inadvertently introduced new keywords on the digital channels. As they are responsible for issuing the currency they're in the prime position to profit from it. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Not sure of the source, but a suggestion that this has been brought about by the marketing men for the Met Office trying to raise its profile after it lost the BBC contract.

Essan
17 November 2015 11:41:41


Not sure of the source, but a suggestion that this has been brought about by the marketing men for the Met Office trying to raise its profile after it lost the BBC contract.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 



I have heard from a very reliable source within the MetO that, contrary to what many (myself included) assumed, that's not the case at all.   The idea came from a "very experienced meteorologist" - and one still working in that position.

Though some still suspect his name is Nathan Rao ....


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RobR
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17 November 2015 22:59:32

There was a lot of mickey taking on the Chris Moyles show this morning about the names. In particular he is waiting for Storm Steve to arrive.


Winter 23/24 in Nantwich
Days Snow Falling: 4
Days Snow Lying: 1
Deepest Snowfall: 3rd December 23 (2cm)



Winter 22/23 in Nantwich

Days Snow Falling: 4
Days Snow Lying: 2
Deepest Snowfall: 10th March (3cm)
Latest Snowfall: 10th March

Winter 21/22 in Nantwich

Days Snow Falling: 3
Days Snow Lying: 1
Deepest Snowfall: 28th November (3cm)
Latest Snowfall: 31st March

Winter 20/21 in Solihull

Days Snow Falling: 21
Days Snow Lying: 8
Deepest Snowfall: 24th January (9cm)
Latest Snowfall: 12th April

Winter 19/20 in Stoke

Days Snow Falling: 5
Days Snow Lying: 2
Deepest Snowfall: 10th Feb (5cm)

Winter 18/19 in Stoke

Days Snow Falling: 6
Days Snow Lying: 6
Deepest Snowfall: 29th Jan (3cm)

Winter 17/18 in Stoke

Days Snow Falling: 27
Days Snow Lying: 24
Deepest Snowfall: 18th March 2018 (10cm)
Gooner
18 November 2015 12:15:46

Does it really matter??


The strength of the wind will still be the same


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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nsrobins
18 November 2015 14:03:08

I still think it's stupid, and my biggest issue is consistency. Already we've had ex TS Kate that morphed into Abigail that no doubt went on to be Storm Vladimir once it moved into European airspace. You can't give a system a new name depending on where it is.


I've had several enquiries about Hurricane Barney on my forecast page - bloody annoying and unnecessarily confusing. Someone is making money no doubt but for people trying to inject some credence into this industry it's put us back years IMO 🙄


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Miss Dot Com
18 November 2015 18:47:10
I like it, I was unsure but I think the general public are more aware of what you are talking about with a name. They can relate to it more.
UserPostedImage
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AIMSIR
29 November 2015 01:10:11

Look at this for a forecast, since this naming thing has started.
This is a normal late November gale.


I hope there are enough letters in the Alphabet to see us through winter.


 



The passage of Storm Clodagh to the north of Ireland will bring very strong west to southwesterly winds tomorrow morning and very strong west to northwesterly winds tomorrow afternoon. Storm Clodagh will also be accompanied by showers or longer spells of showery rain through the day. A cold day with highest temperatures of 8 to 12 degrees.


 


Bloody hell?????.


Best stay indoors tomorrow,what with storm clodagh knocking around,causing havoc.


 

ARTzeman
29 November 2015 08:47:31

They ought to use stronger definition words as fed up with depressions already....






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Quantum
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29 November 2015 13:19:33

Metoffice hasn't named this depression (although the irish met has). Well, I hate to say I told you so (actually I absolutely love being right); but I told you so! 


This scheme was doomed from the start. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
moomin75
05 December 2015 18:48:14
Have to say. I think naming storms is absolutely bloody ridiculous. This is winter. We get storms and lots of them. At this rate we will be talking about storm Zebedee by February. We are not talking hurricanes or anything like so yes naming storms is ridiculous and pointless. We all know even laymen that winter gives us bad weather. It's Americanism sensationalist bulls**t someone that Nathan Rao would be proud to call his own.
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Andy Woodcock
05 December 2015 20:48:58
Naming storms like American Hurricanes will make it seem to Jo public that our climate is becoming more severe, thus extending the GW scare.

I suspect that is the whole point and it's pathetic.

Andy
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SEMerc
05 December 2015 20:53:22

Naming storms like American Hurricanes will make it seem to Jo public that our climate is becoming more severe, thus extending the GW scare.

I suspect that is the whole point and it's pathetic.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Well just wait until the PC brigade get their teeth into this.


I look forward to 'Abdul' 'Delroy' and 'Shaznay' next winter. Oh and maybe 'Oy Vey' for good measure.


P.S. FWIW, I personally think 'Clodagh' is sexist and racist.


And Desmond too as implies some black T.V comedy character or butler

sriram
05 December 2015 20:56:36
Yes very much so

During the stormy winter of 2014 we got a series of Atlantic depressions and when this happens like in the current spell why not - it helps with identifying a particular spell of wet and weather during an unsettled spell - with the depression name

It doesn't have to be only US hurricanes that get names - the UK is notorious for getting an Atlantic barrage and why not if this is the case
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
KevBrads1
05 December 2015 21:18:07

Desmond's centre didn't even come anywhere near the UK. It's not like the Burns Day storm nor October 87. They were your classic vicious lows that tracked across the UK. 


The problem is a stationary front and prolonged tight pressure gradient. Look at the latest 18z FAX chart.


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moomin75
05 December 2015 21:23:09

Naming storms like American Hurricanes will make it seem to Jo public that our climate is becoming more severe, thus extending the GW scare.

I suspect that is the whole point and it's pathetic.

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

That is exactly my thought Andy. It's designed to brainwash people into thinking Climate change is getting worse and worse. 


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
dagspot
05 December 2015 22:43:45
I think its a sorry state if people are getting worked up about this sort of thing. I see no harm in it.
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Quantum
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05 December 2015 23:23:17

Can we keep the climate change tin foil hat nonsense out of this thread please! If you like that sort of stuff, the 'usual suspects' make a new thread everyday in the climate forum.


 


Anyway on topic, storm 'desmond' is yet another failure of the naming system. The centre of the storm passed nowhere near the UK; in fact 


some of the isobars do not complete the full circle without encountering HPs, other Lows and basically the entire northern hemisphere


Netweather GFS Image


In other words we can even throw a question mark to whether the bad weather can even be considered part of desmond; a counter argument is that the cold front is very much related to desmond, however it is the cold front not the central circulation causing all the problems.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
nsrobins
06 December 2015 08:32:48

Storm 'Desmond' is a classic example of how ridiculous this naming thing is. As Kevin and Q have described, the quasi-stationary boundary currently dropping copious amounts of rain in the NW is as connected to the loosely associated parent low as a loose bauble in my loft is to the neighbours Christmas tree.
There's even a video online explaining this - surely if you first issue an explanation of how and when systems will qualify to be named, and then have to explain why the then named storm is nowhere near the main event, something is not right 😉


Neil
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KevBrads1
06 December 2015 09:19:40

The other flaw in this system was exposed this year. Abigail was followed by Kate, ex hurricane reminants.


Hurricane reminants that effect the British Isles have always been named after the hurricane itself. Charley, Debbie, Flossie etc. Get a couple of these next Autumn, that will really screw up the naming system.


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