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doctormog
29 December 2015 22:01:28
Time for another GFS pub run. What goodies does it have in store for us? Time for another tease?

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn961.gif 
Whether Idle
29 December 2015 22:07:39


Regardless of what the longer term outlook may bring I am still in awe of the WAA and lava lamp style CAA taking place at the year's end. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Yes.  Here is my chart of the day.  An "impossible" amount of warm air advection to the North Pole.  Frankly mind-boggling!



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Brian Gaze
29 December 2015 22:14:24


Basically: *Current* GFS has less linkage (=layers) into stratosphere. Hence can be more vulnerable to establishing  faux-blocking/easterlies especially at medium to longer range in it's output (versus eg ECMWF)..Cheers all..


Originally Posted by: Fergieweather 


Thanks. Although I knew ECM has twice as layers in the vertical resolution I hadn't realised this makes GFS more vulnerable to faux easterlies. Personally I've always thought (anecdotally) ECM tends to be overcook continental / Scandi blocking, not GFS.   


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Gusty
29 December 2015 22:21:29

This disturbing looking feature is becoming consistent for 4th January. 



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Brian Gaze
29 December 2015 22:24:58


This disturbing looking feature is becoming consistent for 4th January. 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Indeed.


PS: Thanks for clarifying the Kettley high thing the other day. That was it.


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Gandalf The White
29 December 2015 22:28:08


This disturbing looking feature is becoming consistent for 4th January. 



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Nasty little storm, that one.  Predicted 60-70mph gusts in the SE:



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SJV
29 December 2015 22:30:01


This disturbing looking feature is becoming consistent for 4th January. 



Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Yes, and it's a cue for wintry conditions to follow to N and NE areas as temperatures fall.

John p
29 December 2015 22:30:10

You have to laugh at our climate....



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White Meadows
29 December 2015 22:32:13

According to 18z, Scotland gets wiped off the face of the earth 6th - 7th January 2016

Brian Gaze
29 December 2015 22:33:10

Atlantic through again on the GFS18z.



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SJV
29 December 2015 22:34:30


You have to laugh at our climate....



Originally Posted by: John p 


Not a great run so far, is it? The potential for cold after the 4th gets very quickly snuffed out on this run. Let's hope it's one of the milder options 

Brian Gaze
29 December 2015 22:45:58

Blowtorch back on this run - it will be one of the mildest in the GEFS18z.



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Gusty
29 December 2015 22:50:04

A quick return to blowtorch zonality on the 18z..no doubt this run will become a trend and then verify.


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David M Porter
29 December 2015 23:00:34


A quick return to blowtorch zonality on the 18z..no doubt this run will become a trend and then verify.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Maybe not for long:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3361.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3601.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif



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David M Porter
29 December 2015 23:02:02


 


Not a great run so far, is it? The potential for cold after the 4th gets very quickly snuffed out on this run. Let's hope it's one of the milder options 


Originally Posted by: SJV 


Looks that way for a while, but the run has a colder ending- see the links I posted above.


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SJV
29 December 2015 23:06:58


 


Looks that way for a while, but the run has a colder ending- see the links I posted above.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Hmm, likely all academic, but encouraging to see the cold fight back I suppose 

Phil G
30 December 2015 00:06:17


 


Looks that way for a while, but the run has a colder ending- see the links I posted above.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Interesting with the run now ending with cold. Seen runs before where the mild gets snuffed out in the middle. A lot going on.


 

nsrobins
30 December 2015 00:47:14

No -10 options left on the 18Z GEFS.


Not saying the chance has left the building, but it's certainly reaching for its hat 😉


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Gooner
30 December 2015 01:05:04


No -10 options left on the 18Z GEFS.


Not saying the chance has left the building, but it's certainly reaching for its hat 😉


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


For London I'd agree but there are for other parts of the UK


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Whether Idle
30 December 2015 05:19:19

0z GFS is poor for cold, UKMO 0z has lost its mojo and is looking GFSesque at 144.  GFS op wants to head back to 12c + maxes in the S within a week.


GFS 0z short ensembles -



 


GFS op predicts it to be sodden for all the places that don't need the rain.



 


Its a step back at first glance this morning, though the GEM is okay for the NE for a couple of cold days.  ECM will be interesting.


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Nordic Snowman
30 December 2015 05:52:35

Increasingly looking like the unsettled and flood theme will continue for the UK after this morning's OP runs. Some wintry conditions for Scotland and the NE at times but for the S and W, it is looking pretty awful with heavy rain, strong winds and flooding being the theme.


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JACKO4EVER
30 December 2015 06:16:00


Increasingly looking like the unsettled and flood theme will continue for the UK after this morning's OP runs. Some wintry conditions for Scotland and the NE at times but for the S and W, it is looking pretty awful with heavy rain, strong winds and flooding being the theme.


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


sadly this about sums it up. A step in the wrong direction towards further spells of wind and rain, and currently it sounds like a freight train outside with storm Frank battering it's way through. Let's see what today's runs bring, for most of this output could change after the WAA shot into the Arctic. 

Whether Idle
30 December 2015 06:23:34

ECM uppers at 120.  Cold for Unst in the Shetlands.



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Whether Idle
30 December 2015 06:39:28

In summary - not a dead cert but looking quite likely that the cold shot will go to the north as most output has suggested.  To get cold over the UK we need a 1000+ mile correction south of the pattern.  Very unlikely.


What is much more likely now as a result of the pattern predicted, is more flooding in the coming week.


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Rob K
30 December 2015 06:55:57
ECM paints a quick return to a pancake-flat westerly pattern with the Euro high puffing itself up again to the south. Not a cheery start to the morning. Even the brief cold incursion to northern parts has been toned down.
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