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Brian Gaze
03 January 2016 17:57:41

GEFS12z looks quite choppy later on but I've not taken a look at the postage stamps yet:



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Hippydave
03 January 2016 18:34:09


GEFS12z looks quite choppy later on but I've not taken a look at the postage stamps yet:



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


P12 wins the 'isn't it pretty' award - the rest seem to be a mix of UK HPs, Euro HPs and displaced Azores HPs ridging mid-atlantic. Not too exciting but seasonal enough for the most part.


Edit: Should mention that was looking at T360.


 


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Quantum
03 January 2016 18:39:10

For the extreme north the cold spell never ends.



 


 


Has the mood ever been so despondent while the -10C 850hpa line lies in the north of Scotland at 120 hours! 


 



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
03 January 2016 18:44:30

Cold air moving south by 192 hours. Temperatures unlikely to rise above 0C in Scotland on this.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
03 January 2016 18:47:59

The polar vortex on the ECM at 192 hours.



Over the East china seas again! A whopping 1050mb high over the north pole threatens to link with the mid Atlantic ridge. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
03 January 2016 18:48:58

Shame the trough cant push across quickly. All that cold air wasted in the Atlantic


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Quantum
03 January 2016 18:49:38

 



Bet you wish you'd gone cold on ye CET predictions now!


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
03 January 2016 18:51:29

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016010312/ECH0-216.GIF?03-0


Finally, "the wall is breached and winter is coming" Jon Snow


I think Steve (Gusty) will be back before long


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doctormog
03 January 2016 18:51:54
Certainly a chilly midterm outlook up here based on the output this evening, a trend which has been developing for a few runs now. That ECM run does look rather chilly throughout. To be fair I'd be more enthusiastic if the weather wasn't currently so vile and the flood risk was less.
Zubzero
03 January 2016 18:53:25


 



Bet you wish you'd gone cold on ye CET predictions now!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You undercut  me at the last minute tongue-out


 


Best run of the Winter

Quantum
03 January 2016 18:56:28

ROFL 1055mb high causes cold flow direct from Siberia! 



Stonker of a run! 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
The Beast from the East
03 January 2016 18:57:04

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016010312/ECH1-240.GIF?03-0


If this one gets snatched away from us, I think I really will give up for real


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doctormog
03 January 2016 18:57:47


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016010312/ECH1-240.GIF?03-0


If this one gets snatched away from us, I think I really will give up for real


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


And it's only 10 days away 


Whether Idle
03 January 2016 18:58:51


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016010312/ECH1-240.GIF?03-0


If this one gets snatched away from us, I think I really will give up for real


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Ta ra chuck!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Polar Low
03 January 2016 18:59:22

That does not tell the whole truth Q its even better with instability running from nn/w 



 



 



Bet you wish you'd gone cold on ye CET predictions now!


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Phil G
03 January 2016 19:02:49


 


Ta ra chuck!


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Not being pessimistic but wouldn't put any money on this happening owing to being disappointed so many times in the past, even when seeming nailed on. Don't set yourself up for a fall.


EDIT: In response to Beast from the East post.


 


 

Quantum
03 January 2016 19:03:09


That does not tell the whole truth Q its even better with instability running from nn/w 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


I only wish I could see the extended ECM OP, Further height rise over greenland threatens to send those ultra low uppers towards scandanavia. 


 


To be fair this is going to be an outlier, we won't get a 1055mb high with 552dm heights, however a gradual transition to cold is on the cards with cold beginning to seep down from the north over the next 240 hours.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Phil G
03 January 2016 19:05:00
Do like this one though. What could go wrong from here? Everything!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif 

Polar Low
03 January 2016 19:05:34

a little later appears to fill in statue in  cold uppers 



Then at that time look nnw



 



 


I only wish I could see the extended ECM OP, Further height rise over greenland threatens to send those ultra low uppers towards scandanavia. 


 


To be fair this is going to be an outlier, we won't get a 1055mb high with 552dm heights, however a gradual transition to cold is on the cards with cold beginning to seep down from the north over the next 240 hours.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Shropshire
03 January 2016 19:08:36
The best realistic cold charts this winter from the ECM op, a West based NAO with the pattern nudging East over time.

Let's see what sort of ensemble support it has and if a trend can develop.
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David M Porter
03 January 2016 19:10:05

I must say I wasn't expecting to see an ECM run quite like that!


Quite likely it'll be an outlier, but generally speaking, there does seem to have been some rather more interesting model op runs appearing at times since Christmas Eve than had been the case for many weeks beforehand.


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Polar Low
03 January 2016 19:15:31

We need the Jam at 7-10 days nearer and repeated its only one run guys, we cant keep chasing the dragon we really need cold now quite Badly now time is ticking.


 


 


 


 


 

David M Porter
03 January 2016 19:17:48


 


Not being pessimistic but wouldn't put any money on this happening owing to being disappointed so many times in the past, even when seeming nailed on. Don't set yourself up for a fall.


EDIT: In response to Beast from the East post.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


I agree. We should keep our feet firmly on the ground meantime and hope that such charts get a bit closer to the more reliable timeframe over the coming few days.


That said, it sure makes a change from all the runs of the past couple of months showing a continuation of mild & zonal dross. The only occasions during November & December when I can clearly recall any of the more reliable models showing anything remotely interesting was back in late Nov/early Dec when a few GFS op runs went for major height rises over Greenland in deep FI. Unfortunately they had no support from other models are the idea of a pressure rise over Greenland was dropped soon afterwards. Let's hope for a different eventual outcome this time.


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picturesareme
03 January 2016 19:29:47


 


You undercut  me at the last minute tongue-out


 


Best run of the Winter


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


looks crap for the south compared to some past runs in the last few weeks.

squish
03 January 2016 19:32:02
Support from the Chinese :)

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cma/runs/2016010312/cmanh-0-240.png?12 

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