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Chiltern Blizzard
10 January 2016 23:24:53

At +144 there is not a single GEFS member showing anything remotely like what the GFS op (and many ensemble members ) have been showing the last few runs. Quite a sea change....

Originally Posted by: squish 


indeed, the difference is huge, as is the consistency. At t+168, EVERY single perturbation has sub -5c 850 air over London.. Many comfortably so, including a couple of sub -10c for good measure.


PS the 12z had +2c at the same time.  


Wonder what what tomorrow will bring!


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Karl Guille
10 January 2016 23:26:31
Significant upgrade on the 18z GEFS with no sign of 850hPA temps returning above zero. Op was above the mean and the majority of runs IMBY are below -5 850 hPA right through until 18th! 😜
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Karl Guille
10 January 2016 23:30:30

For good measure the 18z NAVGEM

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2016011018/navgemnh-0-144.png?11-00
Originally Posted by: squish 

">http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgem/runs/2016011018/navgemnh-1-144.png?11-00


😍😍😜


St. Sampson
Guernsey
Gooner
10 January 2016 23:30:46


 


indeed, the difference is huge, as is the consistency. At t+168, EVERY single perturbation has sub -5c 850 air over London.. Many comfortably so, including a couple of sub -10c for good measure.


PS the 12z had +2c at the same time.  


Wonder what what tomorrow will bring!


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Quite an incredible turnaround , just flicked through the ens up to 240 and they are all singing the same song HP over or around with variations and it isn't warm either


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


doctor snow
10 January 2016 23:33:27
Can any one tell me what 120 fax chart says looks like snow in s east but i maybe wrong
Stormchaser
10 January 2016 23:33:30

Let's see if we can get a classic period of upgrades +120 to +72, as proposed by a good friend of mine who unfortunately doesn't post on TWO.


In the meantime it's starting to dawn on me how much the potential drier outlook for the weekend might be needed in the south, as heavy rain moves in yet again tonight in what has been a very soggy first 10 days of the month overall with 71.8 mm to the end of yesterday and increasing further today. That's not a long way off the rate of accumulation seen a couple of years ago.


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Quantum
10 January 2016 23:47:58

I honestly have never seen something so extreme as the 18Z in terms of a cold high over the UK. If that comes off the record would be under threat and I'm sure we will see below -20C in some places.


I doubt it will come off though, some mixing is likely to happen and moderate the insanely cold temperatures. The 18z more importantly is trying to amplify the pattern, hopefully this is a trend setter.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
11 January 2016 00:03:56

 


 


 


Weather type GFS Fr 15.01.2016 18 GMT


 


J F F  Some might get to see some of the white stuff falling .


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Phil G
11 January 2016 00:18:51


 


 


 


Weather type GFS Fr 15.01.2016 18 GMT


 


J F F  Some might get to see some of the white stuff falling .


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Anyone know what the horizontal red sqiggle is over the Yorkshire area.

LeedsLad123
11 January 2016 00:21:59


 


Anyone know what the horizontal red sqiggle is over the Yorkshire area.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Freezing rain. Wouldn't be the first time we got it. Horrid stuff.


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Solar Cycles
11 January 2016 00:24:02
Looks like the GFS 18z has been on the sauce again, incredible turnaround from previous outputs and just when the ECM finally comes around to its previous modelled outputs.

Since the recent upgrades to them both they've both been crap ( or crapper ) post +120. All eyes down for tomorrow mornings instalments and will we see more twists and turns.🙈
eastcoaster
11 January 2016 00:24:19


 


Anyone know what the horizontal red sqiggle is over the Yorkshire area.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 

I think it's an m for miserly.

Snow Hoper
11 January 2016 05:13:42

According to some it's all over because we have cross model agreement of the return of the Euro slug! I guess we can all go home now! Nothing to see. Not even a slug! 


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SJV
11 January 2016 05:39:59


According to some it's all over because we have cross model agreement of the return of the Euro slug! I guess we can all go home now! Nothing to see. Not even a slug! 


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


Yep, I think the last two gfs runs have rather embarrassed those who were so confident of the slug returning. Just shows anything can happen in FI and next week is all to play for.

Karl Guille
11 January 2016 05:57:35
GFS 0z continues the theme from the 18z last night with low pressure sinking south over the UK to be replaced by high pressure and the sniff of an easterly / north easterly in the far south. GEFS extends the cold again to 20 / 21 January (about a day longer than the 18z) and at its peak uppers are once again largely between -6 and -10. The Op was again on the mild side of the mean. UKMO and GEM are broadly similar with the chance of further developing the cold further.
St. Sampson
Guernsey
KevBrads1
11 January 2016 06:33:49

Once again the models are sending us on a Benny Hill change, queue the music....


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOe_hLg7Bo


 


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Maunder Minimum
11 January 2016 06:40:07
ECM 00z pretty decent this morning - makes a mockery of the Country file forecast.
New world order coming.
SJV
11 January 2016 06:46:47

ECM 00z pretty decent this morning - makes a mockery of the Country file forecast.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Some very cold air close to the E and SE here 


JACKO4EVER
11 January 2016 07:44:24
Good grief, here we go again. I will let some of the more experienced posters comment..... Just when you think we will get some coherent model output consensus the ECM does that... Lol
Girthmeister
11 January 2016 07:55:53
Looks like decent ensemble agreement for a progressively colder pattern over the next week or so. Cold in first, snow later if we're lucky.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
Tractor Boy
11 January 2016 08:29:18

After a showery week in a northerly airflow, the models this morning are showing a lot of high-pressure based scenarios. And despite the yellows and oranges most of these will not be mild setups. A spell of settled cold and crisp weather would be a welcome second prize if transport-crippling blizzards are not on offer.


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
Retron
11 January 2016 08:43:14

Ninja post as I'm at work - suffice to say, EPS keeps the colder option as the most likely one.



Leysdown, north Kent
some faraway beach
11 January 2016 09:02:29

Every time Darren posts those diagrams they show the ECM median 2m temp not rising again until day 10, and when it does it's always to no more than 4C.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
GIBBY
11 January 2016 09:37:26

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 09:00 ON MONDAY JAN 11TH 2016


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION Low pressure across the UK will ease East out into the North Sea later today with a slowly increasing NW flow across the South and West of the UK bringing showers and sunny spells late today and tomorrow.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


CURRENT SNOW FORECAST AND FREEZING LEVEL OVER THE UK The freezing level across the British Isles will lie around 1000m or 4000ft across the UK today and tomorrow with some snowfall in the form of showers on hills and mountains above around 2000-2500ft


http://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/uk


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow.gif


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE Rain or wintry showers at first. Becoming colder and drier with frost and fog patches likely next week.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST The main theme of the Jet Stream today shows the Jet Stream continuing to stream East across France over the first week before becoming more variable and harder to interpret in both strength and location in the second week as the synoptic pattern becomes uncertain.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational Run today shows a rather cold and wintry showery week to come as winds turn NW with Low pressure meandering around over the North and East of the UK later this week at the same time as pressure gently rises from the West over the weekend. Next week then sees High pressure occasionally give way to Low pressure with some rain at times for a while in slightly less cold air before High pressure gains total control of the UK weather late in the run with frost and fog patches widely night and morning but with some dry, bright and sunny days.


GFS CONTROL RUN The theme of the Control Run is very similar to the Operational run though with High pressure developing near the UK at the end of the coming week with frosty and cold conditions looking likely for all. Then after a short unsettled and possibly still rather cold period with some snow over the hills especially in the North High pressure builds again very strongly late in the period, over the UK with fine and sunny weather with frost and fog at times overnight. perhaps a little less cold in a SW flow over the NW of the UK for a time later on.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=384&mode=0&carte=0


UKMO The UKMO model today shows rather cold Low pressure drifting slowly East away into Europe through the end of the week and the weekend with the associated unsettled conditions with rain and hill snow at times gradually reducing in quantity as we move into the weekend as a large and blocking High pressure area edges close to Western Ireland by Sunday ensuring dry and fine but cold and very frosty weather across all areas and just the chance of a wintry shower or two still close to the East and SE coasts.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts show complex Low pressure clearing away slowly East late in the week but leaving a legacy of weakish troughs moving South and East down across the UK in NW or North winds and rising pressure but still with instability great enough to give rise to further wintry showers at times especially near Northern facing coasts and hills.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120


GEM GEM this morning shows increasingly settled but cold weather developing after this weeks rather cold and unsettled conditions with rain and snow in places clearing away East and SE at the weekend. Next week looks fine and dry but cold with very sharp frosts at night before it becomes a little less cold across the North later as a westerly drift from off the Atlantic moves in with the coldest and frostiest weather then likely towards the South of the UK.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


NAVGEM NAVGEM is broadly similar in theme to the other output with rising pressure the main theme leading to High pressure centred across the UK by the start of next week displacing the rather cold and unsettled weather with wintry showers that most places will continue to see through this week before sharp night frosts but dry sunny days develop late in the weekend.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif


ECM ECM today also shows a variation of a similar theme of rising pressure leading to a much awaited change towards fine and settled conditions next week. Before we get there there is plenty of showery and rather cold weather to come this week with showers wintry at times with a little snow in places before things dry out and some sharp night frosts develop with some compensatory bright and sunny days take hold. then later in the run into the middle of next week the High pressure area responsible slips South with milder SW winds affecting the Northern half of the UK late in the period and then probably extending slowly South.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


ECM 10 DAY MEAN The 10 day mean chart shows High pressure likely to lie close to Southern Britain in 10 days time with fine and settled weather the most likely outcome across the UK through next week with any milder weather restricted to the NW of the UK at that time.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


NOTABLE TRENDS & CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The models have all trended together this morning towards a prospect of High pressure based rather cold weather to develop after this weeks rather cold and unsettled conditions. 31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The verification Statistics of GFS, UKMO and ECM show at 24 hours ECM ahead at 99.6 pts with UKMO and GFS at 99.4 pts respectively. At 3 days ECM is leading with 97.5 pts to UKMO's 96.7 pts while GFS lags behind at 96.2 pts. At 5 days ECM leads with 89.8 pts to UKMO at 87.8 pts then GFS at 87.3 pts. Then at 8 Days ECM still leads at 66.8 pts over GFS's 63.5 pts. Finally at Day 10 ECM is ahead of GFS at 49.0 pts to 47.7 pts respectively.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day1_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


MY THOUGHTS We finally have a coming together of the models this morning to the extent that I can predict with more confidence and hopefully more accuracy than for a good while on what weather the UK can expect to see over the next few weeks. Starting with this week we have a complex area of Low pressure still lying across the UK giving a mix of rain and showers falling as sleet and snow over the hills today and this mix will continue off and on for another 4-5 days as the whole set-up slips slowly East into Europe as we reach the weekend. With regard to snowfall the hills at least will see some though disruption is likely to be limited to higher ground and in the North with some places seeing none. However, frosts will be much more prevalent with time especially tomorrow night and then more widely from the weekend as pressure builds into the UK from the West slowly displacing the cold Northerly flow and wintry showers out of the East and SE by Sunday. By the start of next week most output shows High pressure well in control, something we haven't seen for months with light winds, sunny days and very sharp night frosts the order of the days. then as we move into the latter parts of the output this morning it's all about how quickly and in what way we slowly lose the influence of the High pressure towards a more traditional Atlantic based pattern or any other weather type. This is of course well in the future and is pointless dwelling on detail but in summary today and with some confidence I can say that cold or rather cold weather is here to stay for the next 10 days at least with increasingly sharp frosts and eventually dry weather the main ingredients to enjoy finally displacing the endless mild and wet weather we have all had to endure for what seems an eternity of late and while I can't offer a snowy picture this morning's output does at least endorse something more normal for the time of Winter we are in. Lets hope that the coming together of the models with the pattern now settled can be maintained within the output over this week.


Next Update on Tuesday January 12th 2016 at 09:00 approx


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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