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LeedsLad123
17 January 2016 15:34:04


 


I like that chat  Fingers crossed!


Looks like the atlantic is going to smash back into the uk by Thursday and temps of 12c forecast here on Friday.That lovley chart could very well come to fruition shortly after.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


No spring sunshine for you though - probably lots of cloud and rain though. Fingers crossed for that!


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
doctormog
17 January 2016 15:44:07
To be honest with charts like this over the next few days I'm not focussing on the return of the mild weather which looks likely towards the end of the week

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn361.gif 

It may be true in a few days time but as yet, in the words of Mark Twain , re. the cold snap, the reports of my death are greatly exaggerated (unless you live in the far west, south or southwest). There are still some rather chilly days coming up and after that keep an eye out for anticyclonic conditions in the SE which may at a glance look mild but a tweak in the HP's position could leave things rather chilly away from the west.
Gandalf The White
17 January 2016 16:11:39

If the GFS 12z is correct then it's still cold all the way out to Friday, away from the far west:



 


But the change is imminent



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


The Beast from the East
17 January 2016 16:16:06

UKMO wants to end the cold spell sooner than GFS


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
JACKO4EVER
17 January 2016 16:16:52

To be honest with charts like this over the next few days I'm not focussing on the return of the mild weather which looks likely towards the end of the week

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn361.gif

It may be true in a few days time but as yet, in the words of Mark Twain , re. the cold snap, the reports of my death are greatly exaggerated (unless you live in the far west, south or southwest). There are still some rather chilly days coming up and after that keep an eye out for anticyclonic conditions in the SE which may at a glance look mild but a tweak in the HP's position could leave things rather chilly away from the west.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


or rather doc 


"get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please" 😂 (Mark Twain)


Only joking. Your absolutely spot on- its remaining cold for quite a few people for some days yet 


 

The Beast from the East
17 January 2016 16:19:39

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2016011712/UN120-21.GIF?17-17


Normal service has resumed. Now a waiting game for coldies. Lets hope this much heralded blocking in Feb actually materialises


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Snow Hoper
17 January 2016 16:25:16


 


According to my garden spring arrived in December....


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


According to mine it's been spring since early 2013. Still waiting for the other seasons to turn up!


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


Home : Thorndon, Suffolk.
Bertwhistle
17 January 2016 16:28:53


 


According to mine it's been spring since early 2013. Still waiting for the other seasons to turn up!


Originally Posted by: Snow Hoper 


Surely you got a bit of summer in July 13?


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
Retire while you can still press the 'retire now' button.
Bertwhistle
17 January 2016 16:33:12

 


The -5 850 isotherm drifts back across SE England on the 12z GFS.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/12_81_mslp850.png?cb=639


 


But not long after the +5 is back.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/gfs/12_129_mslp850.png?cb=915


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
Retire while you can still press the 'retire now' button.
LeedsLad123
17 January 2016 16:45:35


 


Surely you got a bit of summer in July 13?


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


And 2014 which was warmer than average bar August.. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Snow Hoper
17 January 2016 17:13:37


 


And 2014 which was warmer than average bar August.. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


No not really. I want more than 2 fine days and a thunderstorm. Same as I want more than slightly below average and no snow. Something that for whatever reason, seems to be absent these last few years. 


 


Sorry for OT posts.


Going to war over religion is like killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend.


Home : Thorndon, Suffolk.
nsrobins
17 January 2016 17:13:53

Pretty much conclusive now - a slow dissolution this week of the current cool spell from the SW, with a return to near or slightly above average temperatures and unsettled the further North you are. 


Relaxing away from the MO activity now until another cold appears on the horizon or better still the arrival of the Spring convective season.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Karl Guille
17 January 2016 17:20:03
Winds turning south easterly from tonight and for much of next week in the south. Shame uppers weren't a little cooler IMBY as all we need is -4 850hPA or thereabouts for an ice day with s/e winds! Expect temps here circa 5-7 degrees but several degrees lower in the UK with a chance of further snow, could perhaps catch a sleet shower down in neighbouring Jersey!
St. Sampson
Guernsey
doctormog
17 January 2016 17:35:01


UKMO wants to end the cold spell sooner than GFS


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 Really? I thought they looked very similar and consistent.


Thursday 12z


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm961.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn961.gif


 


Friday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1201.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1201.gif


sunny coast
17 January 2016 17:48:49
The sunday telegraph weather column again commented today that winter was here to stay
Retron
17 January 2016 17:49:52

Perturbation 1 of GEFS ends with a record-breaking high. Somehow I don't think this chart will come off!



EDIT: That said, there are a significant number of members of the ensembles which bring a rather strong high over London:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ext=fr&mode=2&sort=0


All but one member bring 1035 or higher at some stage after T+180, ie the second half of the run. 15 out of 20 break the 1040 barrier, as do the op and control.


This could well be the first steps of working out the next weather pattern after the surge of SW'lies next weekend... (assuming they happen, of course, but it's odds-on they will at the moment!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Nordic Snowman
17 January 2016 18:06:44


Perturbation 1 of GEFS ends with a record-breaking high. Somehow I don't think this chart will come off!



EDIT: That said, there are a significant number of members of the ensembles which bring a rather strong high over London:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?x=306&y=141&run=12&ext=fr&mode=2&sort=0


All but one member bring 1035 or higher at some stage after T+180, ie the second half of the run. 15 out of 20 break the 1040 barrier, as do the op and control.


This could well be the first steps of working out the next weather pattern after the surge of SW'lies next weekend... (assuming they happen, of course, but it's odds-on they will at the moment!)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Indeed Darren. High Pressure very much appearing in GEFS in the longer term and perhaps, as you state, that could be the next topic of debate. The real big issue will now be the exact location and that of course, can mean the difference between very cold, cold, average, mild or very mild. One to watch.


Bjorli, Norway

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Quantum
17 January 2016 18:23:12

For some reason the mood is fairly optimistic in the other place that the cold spell may hang on, or at least sow the seeds for another one. 


 


Its interesting that things are trending west, but I would still be amazed if this was pulled off against the odds. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
17 January 2016 18:31:41

Hmm, there is this trend to increase heights in the barents. Here is the NAVGEM.



I think the NAVGEM is the best model for the effects of the sea ice which I think is important given the barents is abnormally largelly ice free, meaning it may be easier to get HP forming there than usual. Note the lower heights on the GFS in that region.



A conceivable height rise in that part of the world, I think, is the best bet for cold spell hunting.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
bledur
17 January 2016 18:31:59


 


What on Earth is all that pink stuff? Is this from the ECM op? Looks like Seville could be in for the mid 20s if that comes off and the 850s are high enough.


I'd happily take it 5 weeks later than that...but not yet, eh? Give us a chance.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Yes could be some unseasonable warmth if that verifies. I think the pink stuff is blancmange.Laugh  That is an ensemble chart so worth bearing in mind. However maybe not for long if cold air comes in behind this low


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Quantum
17 January 2016 18:48:39

WRF 102 hours. Thursday evening, cold winds are still coming in from the SE, and temperatures across the east are still subzero.



Actually, if moisture comes into this I think there is a serious risk of freezing rain as cold surface winds keep everything cold despire mild upper winds.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Karl Guille
17 January 2016 18:57:13
ECM and JMA showing great 'potential' at T192 with High Pressure over Scandanavia and a chance of retrogression. Could is be our next stab at some decent cold?
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Quantum
17 January 2016 18:58:08

This is quite remarkable, a negative lapse rate; positively american.




And while a negative lapse rate is very rare in the UK over such a large height it is very common in the US. These sort of profiles scream ICE. In fact the Americans call this sleet, which is not a mix of rain and snow or partially melted snow but snow melting in a warm layer to refreeze to ice pellets; actual american style sleet is extremely rare in the UK. Much rarer than snow.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
White Meadows
17 January 2016 19:00:07


Pretty much conclusive now - a slow dissolution this week of the current cool spell from the SW, with a return to near or slightly above average temperatures and unsettled the further North you are. 


Relaxing away from the MO activity now until another cold appears on the horizon or better still the arrival of the Spring convective season.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes a solid collective from most output for a return to south westerlies 


Once locked in to this pattern we can expect a written-off February until evidence appears of a SSw or other freak pattern changing driver.


Yesterday we were surprised how strong the sun felt, actually warming out of the breeze.


not long now and Spring will be arriving proper.


 

Retron
17 January 2016 19:01:18

ECM and JMA showing great 'potential' at T192 with High Pressure over Scandanavia and a chance of retrogression. Could is be our next stab at some decent cold?

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Must admit, the ECM 240 today is tasty - an ideal precursor to some deep cold advection from the NE. (How so, I hear some people ask - well, look at the kinks in the jet upstream, then note that they'll encourage heights to be "pulled back" westwards... along with that cold to the east!)


One swallow doesn't make a summer, but it's an interesting chart. Let's see whether it's a one off, or whether it'll be repeated tomorrow!


(And also worth mentioning that it's worlds away from the G(E)FS and its pressure rises over the UK... not that that means much at this range!)


 


Leysdown, north Kent

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