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Chunky Pea
26 January 2016 17:31:20


Does anyone know why the last two ECM op runs weren't updated on WZ? As far as I have seen, the GFS runs have updated as usual but the last time I looked, WZ was still showing yesterday morning's 00z run.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


I think it is because they are currently in the middle of creating a new design for the site David, but the ECM charts are still being updated on the new site for now:


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/de/default.aspx


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https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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David M Porter
26 January 2016 17:35:12


 


 


I think it is because they are currently in the middle of creating a new design for the site David, but the ECM charts are still being updated on the new site for now:


 


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/de/default.aspx


Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 


Thanks Chunky.


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Gooner
26 January 2016 18:00:55

Plenty of opportunities for something wintry when the cold NWly flow is over us.......further North looks idea though


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Gooner
26 January 2016 18:36:45


ECM so far


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Gooner
26 January 2016 18:48:46


A Chilly Northerly


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Shropshire
26 January 2016 19:02:33

Not much to get excited about unless you are high up in the North and West. Zonal with lows a bit further South at times 


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Brian Gaze
26 January 2016 22:04:34

Earlier in the week I mentioned how IMO the GFS has a tendency to pick up polar maritime incursions very well but as forecast time approaches a moderation takes place in subsequent runs. This Saturday is currently providing a good example with the -5C 850hPa struggling to making it to the south and the snow risk remaining farther north. 



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nsrobins
26 January 2016 23:09:42
No posts on the 18Z run?
Reflects the output at the moment with rain, wind and some wintry showers on offer for the foreseeable.
A snowless Dec and Jan looks odds on down here now, much in line with many LRFs actually.
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Russwirral
26 January 2016 23:39:41

No posts on the 18Z run?
Reflects the output at the moment with rain, wind and some wintry showers on offer for the foreseeable.
A snowless Dec and Jan looks odds on down here now, much in line with many LRFs actually.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Theres actually plenty to talk about in the models.  Had this been December this forum would have been buzzing.  As it is though, weve been seeing these charts for the past week, after a month of cold looking models moderating closer to T0, then followed by the last week or so of similar patterns that seem to moderate as the time goes on, I think everyone is suffering a bit of model fatigue as a result.


 


FI seems interesting, but i just dont seem to have the energy to get excited anymore.


 


Huffffffffffff


 


Edit: Quick look at the ensembles after i noticed 10*c + 850s in the charts.  Thats also under dry skies.  That could make for some very mild temperatures for the start of Feb.


 


Also- the Ensembles are a complete mess after that, which to me equates to the wiggly nature te Jet looks t take on over the next few days.. very very similar to last winter.


 


 


Gooner
26 January 2016 23:56:55

This looks very exaggerated when compared the latest Beeb forecast



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Gooner
26 January 2016 23:59:17

Probably nothing like itnearer the day but shows a colder air flow


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Gooner
27 January 2016 00:01:00

J F F  Deepest FI shows the colder air sinking South



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Gandalf The White
27 January 2016 00:16:04


Theres actually plenty to talk about in the models.  Had this been December this forum would have been buzzing.  As it is though, weve been seeing these charts for the past week, after a month of cold looking models moderating closer to T0, then followed by the last week or so of similar patterns that seem to moderate as the time goes on, I think everyone is suffering a bit of model fatigue as a result.


FI seems interesting, but i just dont seem to have the energy to get excited anymore.


Huffffffffffff


Edit: Quick look at the ensembles after i noticed 10*c + 850s in the charts.  Thats also under dry skies.  That could make for some very mild temperatures for the start of Feb.


Also- the Ensembles are a complete mess after that, which to me equates to the wiggly nature te Jet looks t take on over the next few days.. very very similar to last winter.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


The ECM 12z ensemble paints a reasonable picture.  After several mild days the mean trends down to just below average, with a clear cold cluster and only a couple of outliers delivering anything very mild.


The GFS 12z Op was at the mild end of the spectrum relative to the ECM output.



As for rainfall, an unwelcome uptick by ECM - but GFS 12z was the ultimate outlier....



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Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 06:54:45

ECM more UK-friendly this morning:


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU00_192_1.png 


216: http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU00_216_1.png


http://www.wetter-zentrale.de/pics/ECMOPEU00_240_1.png 


Cold from the N. Pressure rise near Greenland. Trough Scandi. A slider. A snowy run for many.


 


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nsrobins
27 January 2016 07:11:03
A little whiff of interest Mike, but no one's going to be fooled by any of the output until it's rock solid and across the board at 4 days.
Talking of which, another four days of very unsettled and at times wet conditions for the UK.
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Retron
27 January 2016 07:13:02
Only a little whiff and only then if you're north of Manchester - the ECM is actually a snowless run to the south and east, although inland Wales gets a fair bit.
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Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 07:14:40

A little whiff of interest Mike, but no one's going to be fooled by any of the output until it's rock solid and across the board at 4 days.
Talking of which, another four days of very unsettled and at times wet conditions for the UK.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes.... everyone should remain calm


I saw that Brian briefly checked in. Probably searching for his polar bear photo for the home page now


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Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 07:17:33

Only a little whiff and only then if you're north of Manchester - the ECM is actually a snowless run to the south and east, although inland Wales gets a fair bit.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Trends Darren. All about the trend. Small troughs would probably develop in reality and the approaching slider could bring snow to the S from after 240.


Of course, all speculation and well into F.I. Still.... it offers a bit of hope?!


Edit: Besides, north of Manchester and inland Wales constitutes a vast area of the UK population


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JACKO4EVER
27 January 2016 07:27:40
ECM teasing again?
All very tempting and typical of winter 2015-16.
More runs needed!
Whether Idle
27 January 2016 07:29:23

no one's going to be fooled by any of the output until it's rock solid and across the board at 4 days.
.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Really?


I agree with the sentiment though.


I suspect the ECM op is "at the coldest end" of the ensembles and I daresay the Op will be very different by 12z.


WI


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Brian Gaze
27 January 2016 07:30:32


 


Yes.... everyone should remain calm


I saw that Brian briefly checked in. Probably searching for his polar bear photo for the home page now


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


There's some interest but it's really not gripping me.  With these marginal charts as we head into Feb my mindset quickly switches to wanting spring and summer, ever more so as I get older.  


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Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 07:33:46


 


There's some interest but it's really not gripping me.  With these marginal charts as we head into Feb my mindset quickly switches to wanting spring and summer, ever more so as I get older.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


A bit of reverse psychology from Brian


A bit of Victor from Darren.


A bit of rationale from Neil.


A bit of hope from me to send folks to work with a little less cortisol


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Shropshire
27 January 2016 07:37:16


 


Really?


I agree with the sentiment though.


I suspect the ECM op is "at the coldest end" of the ensembles and I daresay the Op will be very different by 12z.


WI


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


 


Yes from experience we must see the GFS as the likelier option, no real overall changes this morning.


 


 


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Scandy 1050 MB
27 January 2016 07:38:59


 


A bit of reverse psychology from Brian


A bit of Victor from Darren.


A bit of rationale from Neil.


A bit of hope from me to send folks to work with a little less cortisol


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


On the subject of hope GFS seems to over the last couple of runs intensified the strat event and has the reds appearing as early as 222 hours now. Ok still FI and may not amount to much but another straw to grab...


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=222&mode=10&carte=1


 


 


 

White Meadows
27 January 2016 07:46:19
Dreadful output continues this morning for coldies.
I think we can assume with reasonable safety that this winter will definitely be in the mild & very wet category. Met office 30 day context changed yesterday from February's toppler suggestion to 'north westerly' airflow. Screaming jet, high pressure remaining solid to our south, game over.

Well and truly looking forward to Spring now!!

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