Do you think thoughtful, well referenced posts explaining how our climate is going to warm, markedly, and with that winters...are well received in TWO  More than just coldies face snidness here, saint...Indeed, I think all views can get snarked. It goes with the territory... 

Originally Posted by: Devonian 

Do we know for certain Gooner has taken any offence? I've seen him take banter in good humour on other parts of the board many times. He never struck me as someone who's going flounce off.

Saying all that, there has undoubtedly at times this winter been an undercurrent of snideness from some quarters towards posters who have been looking for cold spells. It's almost like there was some agenda taking place, to sort of stand up against the general longing for cold/snowy weather that predominates TWO (and weather enthusiasts generally)

I've been on TWO for years, and have noticed there's people who post sort of rebuttals against cold prospects from a meteorological viewpoint (the "I don't think that will happen, and here's why" approach). Nothing at all wrong with that.

There's some who openly don't like cold/snow (the "I hope it doesn't do that" or "I'm relieved that didn't come off" approach), and again there's nothing wrong with tha (even if they are weird )

But then, every so often, there's a strand that appears that seems to take perverse pleasure in telling people a cold scenario won't come off. Or, when a forecasted cold spell doesn't pan out, they delight in that (often accompanied by a "I told you so" gloat)

It may be posting/writing style and I'm barking up the wrong tree, seeing something that isn't there.

But then I recall the Steve Murr episode in early December. Now Steve's undeniably a cold fan - an enthusiastic one. He also knows his onions. He explains why he thinks a certain scenario will evolve. Some might say he lets his cold preferences influence his forecasting. But he's someone whose knowledge makes sites like this what they are. He forecasted a particular evolution in Jan, which didn't quite turn out to be correct (although, it wasn't that far away in terms of the energy transfer E ->W toward Greenland; it's just that it didn't do so quite like it was forecasted by Steve, so the effect of our weather was different). anyway, my point is that he copped a lot of sneering stick - and it was from the direction of the members that I'd have bet my trousers would be the ones doing so.

I don't want to stifle debate but, when certain members persistently are the ones being obnoxiously snide toward knowledgeable posters, who then feel "what's the point?" and stop posting, the TWO community is worse off for it.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

There has been more attitude towards those dismissing or merely suggesting mild when the flock have been chasing phantom cold this winter.. Totally unfair and unacceptable.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

I have noticed this too more than once. I don't think it is a case of 'I told you so' when mild synoptics prevail by those who suggested they would, but it does seem that anyone who did not see any deep cold in the models this winter (because there never was any ) tended to get more beef than the 'coldies' in general.

Anyway, who cares; winter is over and it is a fine, summery spring morning.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I think some people get comments of a certain tone because of the way their own tone can be perceived. That's not an excuse, but I've seen it a number of times in regards to a number of different posters. It would be ideal if we could take the personality issues out of the MO thread and put them back in UIA where they belong.  But for now, it is a fact that some people get comments not because their views are being criticised, but because of impressions and annoyance that may have built up over the years.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

I have noticed this too more than once. I don't think it is a case of 'I told you so' when mild synoptics prevail by those who suggested they would, but it does seem that anyone who did not see any deep cold in the models this winter (because there never was any ) tended to get more beef than the 'coldies' in general.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

I think it's more to do with style than the actual content. There are posters who aren't as excitable for cold, who post what they see and, if that's mild, wet & crap, that's what they post. And nobody criticises them for it.

Certain other posters come across as delighting in posting mild charts. As I said previously, the membership of this site heavily leans toward wanting cold & snow in winter. Rightly or wrongly, to some/many it's a big deal. When someone comes on, effectively taking the line of "Ha! Ha! It's not going to snow!", there's going to be a reaction involving a bit of emotion.

I don't want the mods to in any way censor people posting whatever view they want - but by the same token, anyone perceived to be being deliberately provocative (from an anti-cold perspective) must then be prepared to get flak from those who they're seeking to wind up!

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Do we know for certain Gooner has taken any offence? I've seen him take banter in good humour on other parts of the board many times. He never struck me as someone who's going flounce off.

Saying all that, there has undoubtedly at times this winter been an undercurrent of snideness from some quarters towards posters who have been looking for cold spells. It's almost like there was some agenda taking place, to sort of stand up against the general longing for cold/snowy weather that predominates TWO (and weather enthusiasts generally)

I've been on TWO for years, and have noticed there's people who post sort of rebuttals against cold prospects from a meteorological viewpoint (the "I don't think that will happen, and here's why" approach). Nothing at all wrong with that.

There's some who openly don't like cold/snow (the "I hope it doesn't do that" or "I'm relieved that didn't come off" approach), and again there's nothing wrong with tha (even if they are weird )

But then, every so often, there's a strand that appears that seems to take perverse pleasure in telling people a cold scenario won't come off. Or, when a forecasted cold spell doesn't pan out, they delight in that (often accompanied by a "I told you so" gloat)

It may be posting/writing style and I'm barking up the wrong tree, seeing something that isn't there.

But then I recall the Steve Murr episode in early December. Now Steve's undeniably a cold fan - an enthusiastic one. He also knows his onions. He explains why he thinks a certain scenario will evolve. Some might say he lets his cold preferences influence his forecasting. But he's someone whose knowledge makes sites like this what they are. He forecasted a particular evolution in Jan, which didn't quite turn out to be correct (although, it wasn't that far away in terms of the energy transfer E ->W toward Greenland; it's just that it didn't do so quite like it was forecasted by Steve, so the effect of our weather was different). anyway, my point is that he copped a lot of sneering stick - and it was from the direction of the members that I'd have bet my trousers would be the ones doing so.

I don't want to stifle debate but, when certain members persistently are the ones being obnoxiously snide toward knowledgeable posters, who then feel "what's the point?" and stop posting, the TWO community is worse off for it.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I agree with you 100% and the chief culprit is posting in this thread.

Originally Posted by: John p 

 It has to be alien abduction ,First Matty H , Then Gooner. Is this a case for Mulder and Scully?

Originally Posted by: bledur 

I'm not taking sides and I am happy to see a lot of folks contributing to the thread, but I know Gooner has been unhappy for a while. He considered some posts to be quite unkind and I for one know it will take a lot to bring him back. He quit only a few days before he finally walked, it took a lot of persuading on my part via PM to get him back. I don't think I can this time. I miss his JFF posts and TWO seems a lot less friendly without him.
Marcus if you read this- come back pal- it's not the same without you.
J

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

I'm not taking sides and I am happy to see a lot of folks contributing to the thread, but I know Gooner has been unhappy for a while. He considered some posts to be quite unkind and I for one know it will take a lot to bring him back. He quit only a few days before he finally walked, it took a lot of persuading on my part via PM to get him back. I don't think I can this time. I miss his JFF posts and TWO seems a lot less friendly without him.
Marcus if you read this- come back pal- it's not the same without you.
J

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Matty H was a classic example of the petulance shown by some members, he was a knowledgable poster who's contribution was well respected but he didn't like being challenged and got upset when someone pulled his leg over a failed cold spell.

For Gods sake why take it so seriously? The dark humour and leg pulling on TWO is the only thing that keeps me sane during a long Bartlett winter, it's the grim Trench humour of 'Blackadder Goes Forth' that some people bring to TWO that is so refreshing. Yet some self appointed 'professionals' get all upset when their intellect and foresight is questioned or slightly ridiculed.

It's like childish Celebrities that seek the limelight then complain when the media says anything less than complimentary, GROW UP!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Would just like to add. If Marcus was offended by what was said, then he has every right to have been. All this nonsense about 'grow a pair' or 'it's only the weather' is all very well, but who are we to tell someone how they should feel about something. We are all individuals and feel and express our emotions in different ways. If Marcus was pissed off about the comments, then so be it, but don't ridicule him because of it, even if you don't agree.....

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

Matty H was a classic example of the petulance shown by some members, he was a knowledgable poster who's contribution was well respected but he didn't like being challenged and got upset when someone pulled his leg over a failed cold spell.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock