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richardabdn
08 January 2017 10:35:50

That graphic sums up perfectly the sick, disgusting joke that the UK climate has become. Nearly six weeks of winter up and there has been a total of three air frosts here - the same as I recorded in less than a fortnight at the end of April/beginning of May 2015. Only difference was that period produced more snow than there's been in the last six weeks 


Today in the world's most boring climate there's more cloudy, mild nothingness. 8C, grey rubbish and this is what we've had almost constantly for the past six weeks. Even the snowless winters of the 90s were not as bad as this. It's more like the dire winters of the early to mid 70s but at least back then summers were reasonable.


 


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Bolty
08 January 2017 10:43:19


That graphic sums up perfectly the sick, disgusting joke that the UK climate has become. Nearly six weeks of winter up and there has been a total of three air frosts here - the same as I recorded in less than a fortnight at the end of April/beginning of May 2015. Only difference was that period produced more snow than there's been in the last six weeks 


Today in the world's most boring climate there's more cloudy, mild nothingness. 8C, grey rubbish and this is what we've had almost constantly for the past six weeks. Even the snowless winters of the 90s were not as bad as this. It's more like the dire winters of the early to mid 70s but at least back then summers were reasonable.


 


Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


Good morning to you too Richard!


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chiversa56
08 January 2017 12:43:18

well all i say is if you dont like it here book a winter holiday in greece next year but take youe thermals!
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017/01/07/snow-and-frost-turn-the-greek-islands-white-photos/ 

btw our Polish neighbours love the weather here - as do all the homeless of course - lets think of them ! long may it stay mild !
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Andy Woodcock
08 January 2017 12:50:43
Look on the bright side guys, another 6 weeks it will be all over as the 'potential snow' season comes to an end, then we can regain our lives and look forward to summer.

As a snow and cold lover I now hate winter as it just reminds you of what has been lost. I hate the constant model watching and the inevitable down grades, I hate watching the US and then Eastern Europe affected by repeated cold spells while here the climate resembles that of the film 'Blade Runner' with endless grey and drizzle.

It hasn't always been like this and don't let anyone tell you that mild winters in UK are normal, a normal winter in the UK would see alternating spells of mild and cold weather with at least two northerly outbreaks and at least one easterly.

That is normal not 8 weeks of gloom!

Andy
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moomin75
08 January 2017 14:45:07

Look on the bright side guys, another 6 weeks it will be all over as the 'potential snow' season comes to an end, then we can regain our lives and look forward to summer.

As a snow and cold lover I now hate winter as it just reminds you of what has been lost. I hate the constant model watching and the inevitable down grades, I hate watching the US and then Eastern Europe affected by repeated cold spells while here the climate resembles that of the film 'Blade Runner' with endless grey and drizzle.

It hasn't always been like this and don't let anyone tell you that mild winters in UK are normal, a normal winter in the UK would see alternating spells of mild and cold weather with at least two northerly outbreaks and at least one easterly.

That is normal not 8 weeks of gloom!

Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 

Six weeks time and winter will be over but then of course we all know we shall get stunning winter charts at the wrong time giving us all "a taste of winter" just when most of us are looking for spring. The climate in this country really is desperate.


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doctormog
08 January 2017 15:24:13
I'm just back from a lovely walk and the mist and smoke was hugging the valleys, with light winds and not overly chilly temperatures (4-5°C) it was lovely both to walk in and look at. I realise it's not a moan but with the conditions forecast in a few days time I thought I might as well enjoy today's rather benign weather.
Whether Idle
08 January 2017 15:47:41

Look on the bright side guys, another 6 weeks it will be all over as the 'potential snow' season comes to an end, then we can regain our lives and look forward to summer.

A
Andy

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


Dear oh dear.  


Youve clearly not paid attention to the WI LRF, which states clearly that the coldest weather of the winter will occur in the period 20 Feb - 12 March.


The snow season is in full swing in 6 weeks time.  


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Essan
08 January 2017 16:00:16

This "cold snap" that is forecast for the end of the week should be called a "cool snap", as temps barely get below zero, and no snow is expected to fall in my location, (according to the BBC online that is).

Originally Posted by: Sinky1970 



I dont know what the BBC forecast says, but the MetO forecast for the W Midlands says showers turning to snow on Thursday


The MetO not-a-forecast does show it dry here, but thats computers for you.  It also said it would be dry here today and we have had persistent drizzle .....  Never trust a computer to issue a forecast! 


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Essan
08 January 2017 16:02:56


I am shocked at how mild it is in the UK have been back from France for four weeks and apart from a few half decent frosts, it has been unrelentingly mild and grim!! We have friends in Central France who live at 600 metres asl in the Creuse department in Limousin. They have snow forecast for all next week!! You are right, the UK winter climate SUCKS!! 


Originally Posted by: Snowjoke 




To be fair, if you lived at 2,000ft in Britain youd get plenty of snow every winter (albeit not this weekend)


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Essan
08 January 2017 16:05:09

Look on the bright side guys, another 6 weeks it will be all over as the 'potential snow' season comes to an end, then we can regain our lives and look forward to summer.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



Some years here the best snowfall has been in April.   last year the only snowfall was in April!

Its not over yet


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Snowjoke
08 January 2017 16:43:15





To be fair, if you lived at 2,000ft in Britain youd get plenty of snow every winter (albeit not this weekend)


Originally Posted by: Essan 


I'm not so sure about that anymore Essan? Well you would not get consistant snow cover throughout winter anyway.


Look at any of the mountain webcams around the UK and there is very little snowcover. There are nearly 300 mountains in Scotland over 3000ft, and yet there is little snow cover on these today in the middle of winter! Look at the Snowdonia Mountains, they struggle to hold snow cover for a week let alone right through the winter.


In a proper UK winter these mountains above 3000ft should be white from late November through till at least March. Instead there is a constant snow/thaw/snow thaw pattern. 


Lying snow (even falling snow) is non existant in many low lying parts of the UK in a modern winter. December 2010 was the last proper full on widespread winter event and that was over six years ago!!


As I type this Italy, Greece, Turkey and many other parts of south eastern Europe are getting a really good dumping of snow!!


 


 


 


 

Essan
08 January 2017 17:17:56


I'm not so sure about that anymore Essan? Well you would not get consistant snow cover throughout winter anyway.

Originally Posted by: Snowjoke 



No, but neither does anywhere in France. every winter


Look at any of the mountain webcams around the UK and there is very little snowcover.



Nor was there in the Alps until this week

There are nearly 300 mountains in Scotland over 3000ft, and yet there is little snow cover on these today in the middle of winter!



You should have seen them in 1989


In a proper UK winter these mountains above 3000ft should be white from late November through till at least March.



Why?   Its not the ice age .....

Instead there is a constant snow/thaw/snow thaw pattern.



That is more normal. Its usually not till Feb that persistent snow cover can be expected over higher ground.    March is often the best month for snow sports.


Lying snow (even falling snow) is non existant in many low lying parts of the UK in a modern winter.



As it was in many pre-modern winters. 

December 2010 was the last proper full on widespread winter event and that was over six years ago!!



And unusual


As I type this Italy, Greece, Turkey and many other parts of south eastern Europe are getting a really good dumping of snow!!



They are also a long way from the Atlantic    

Now, if Turkey or the Balkans didnt see much snow for several winters in a row.  That would be strange!



The problem is that we have the idea that unusual weather is normal and when we dont get unusual weather its unusual. 


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moomin75
08 January 2017 22:38:23




Some years here the best snowfall has been in April.   last year the only snowfall was in April!

Its not over yet


Originally Posted by: Essan 

Don't I know it. I was on a cricket pitch when it snowed. It was the coldest I've ever been playing cricket. And it was horrendous and hopefully won't be repeated. Snow in April is about as much use as a mudflap on a turtle.


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richardabdn
08 January 2017 23:26:42

Almost midnight and it's ridiculously mild yet again, at 8.7C, here in the land of eternal October Kinloss is even milder with 10.7C at 11pm. It's beyond a joke.


Latest temperatures in Cyprus: Paphos: 11C, Limassol: 9C, Larnaca: 8C, Nicosia: 7C.


So not even true that Cyprus is the only warmer part of Europe any more 


To have three frosts all winter, at 57 degrees North, and not even be colder than a Mediterranean Island, at 33 degrees North, where winters are normally as warm as our summers is worse than a sick joke.


There was never ever such extreme differences between UK and continental Europe in the past. We just got modified cold. We certainly did not miss out on cold spells entirely, getting stupidly mild temperatures instead


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Smurf
09 January 2017 07:49:51

It will be a one day snow 'blip'. Really can't see why people are getting exited. Back to ridiculously warm temperatures by Sunday.

NickR
09 January 2017 08:16:40
No reason to be cheerful for me. Just the prospect of watching others get a load of snow while we are dry as a bone. Nothing worse.
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Maunder Minimum
09 January 2017 08:29:37


It will be a one day snow 'blip'. Really can't see why people are getting exited. Back to ridiculously warm temperatures by Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Smurf 


When the whole of Europe is suffering from mild, I can understand why the UK gets the same dross. When Italy, Greece and Turkey are buried in snow and are getting ice days, I just want to tear out what remains of my hair.


The UK snowshield is working overtime this winter and it is infuriating!


New world order coming.
Jonesy
09 January 2017 08:55:56

Those that wrote the whole of the January off back on the 1st Jan might be getting a little sweaty between the back legs 


.....horses for courses.


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Snowjoke
09 January 2017 09:25:06




No, but neither does anywhere in France. every winter




Nor was there in the Alps until this week



You should have seen them in 1989




Why?   Its not the ice age .....



That is more normal. Its usually not till Feb that persistent snow cover can be expected over higher ground.    March is often the best month for snow sports.




As it was in many pre-modern winters. 



And unusual




They are also a long way from the Atlantic    

Now, if Turkey or the Balkans didnt see much snow for several winters in a row.  That would be strange!



The problem is that we have the idea that unusual weather is normal and when we dont get unusual weather its unusual. 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Fair points Essan, but I think many forum members would agree that our winters are getting warmer and thus the chance of decent cold and snow is diminishing. I sure you are familiar with this link which gives a potted history of British winters? We are definitely getting fewer "severe" winters and less snow. Yes there have been bad years before, but to say that th current winter is normal for the UK is wide of the mark!!


 http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=winter-history;sess=


 

Saint Snow
09 January 2017 09:49:39

I'm almost 45 and, whilst there've been a couple of clusters of colder winters during my lifetime, I don't feel that, overall, winters have changed that much for my area.


There was a spell from the mid-80's to the end of the 90's when we had a particularly poor period for snow, but since the turn of the century/millennium, it's been like my childhood in the 70's and 80's - snow most years, but some with none/nearly none (and my childhood memories are littered with events that took place in winter where I distinctly remember it raining). And within the post-2000 era, we've had some great cold spells that have compared to pretty much anything in my life.


What I think has changed is, as Retron has detailed, one of those cold & prolonged easterly flows. Thing is, these more often than not delivered little to MBY save for cold temps and a chunky dose of the green-eyed-monster when seeing reports of heavy/deep snow in the SE/E.


 


 



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Jiries
09 January 2017 10:09:57


Almost midnight and it's ridiculously mild yet again, at 8.7C, here in the land of eternal October Kinloss is even milder with 10.7C at 11pm. It's beyond a joke.


Latest temperatures in Cyprus: Paphos: 11C, Limassol: 9C, Larnaca: 8C, Nicosia: 7C.


So not even true that Cyprus is the only warmer part of Europe any more 


To have three frosts all winter, at 57 degrees North, and not even be colder than a Mediterranean Island, at 33 degrees North, where winters are normally as warm as our summers is worse than a sick joke.


There was never ever such extreme differences between UK and continental Europe in the past. We just got modified cold. We certainly did not miss out on cold spells entirely, getting stupidly mild temperatures instead


Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


When you look at the sea temps around Cyprus that go down to 17C by winter did not stop them having snowfall as low as seal level for a short time.  Yearly low maxes day time temps are ranges from 6-8C against the 17C temps.  it show it an be done at 17C sea temps so in here regardless how big the sea around here with 6-7C minimum by Feb should not stop the snow reaching down to the sea level and subzero maxes.


It the set-up that are preventing us from getting real snow and cold.  The sea are there to provide us heavy snowfalls when bitter cold air travel over it.  Same applies to US lake affect snow as the lake temps.

Justin W
09 January 2017 10:48:37

Our generally blocked and decidedly average winter continues. While it has not been zonal and the lack of wind and rain has been welcome here, overall this is turning into an extreme borefest and, for us down here, this looks set to continue after a bit of a cool down later this week. I strongly suspect that HP will become anchored to our SE after the NW'ly and that we'll be back to murk and average temperatures, possibly warmer than average at times.


Of course it's foolish to rule anything out and we're still not at the midpoint of winter 2016/17, but I'm already looking forward to spring. Late January or February may well deliver the SE a wintry surprise but, like Darren Prescott, all I want is just one more long-fetch midwinter easterly before I give up the ghost!


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Gusty
09 January 2017 11:00:11


Of course it's foolish to rule anything out and we're still not at the midpoint of winter 2016/17, but I'm already looking forward to spring. Late January or February may well deliver the SE a wintry surprise but, like Darren Prescott, all I want is just one more long-fetch midwinter easterly before I give up the ghost!


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Me too Justin. 


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Jonesy
09 January 2017 11:31:36


 


Me too Justin. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


..And me.


 


I know Feb has been a very good month for snow in past Winters but for me when we get into Feb I start to really looking forward to Spring and the days getting longer.


Of course if snow does arrive in the SE in Feb then I'll enjoy it but I don't chase it as much as Dec and Jan.


I just really hope we don't end up with a cold spring and a lot of wasted nothing days, just my personal choice.


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Zubzero
09 January 2017 16:15:27

Nearly half way in to a 3rd winter in a row with no snow. 


And the charts are as crap as the last 3 winters have been for snow.


I hope Summer is a good one for storms but they have been poor of late to  

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