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pnepaul
21 July 2013 12:02:01

Interesting contest coming up: good player of spin bowling against a good spinner on a turning pitch. One of the many reasons I enjoy test cricket. 

Gooner
21 July 2013 12:06:53




Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 




LOL. You don't think a win by 14 runs had anything to do with the captaincy?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


No I don't, what spectacular decision did he make.

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Ally Pally Snowman
21 July 2013 12:11:01

Clarke could still get a ton here but we will still win by more than 300 runs probably. Amazing! Worse Aussie top order in their history I reckon.


 


 

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Gooner
21 July 2013 12:19:15


Clarke could still get a ton here but we will still win by more than 300 runs probably. Amazing! Worse Aussie top order in their history I reckon.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


It loks that way, amazed at the stats that Clarke has a better average coming in at number7 . Their top order really are woeful or are England that good?


I am not too sure of Nassers comment about there being alot of pressure on Swann to deliver, there isn't any pressure on when you are defending 500+..............surely

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Ally Pally Snowman
21 July 2013 12:21:14



Clarke could still get a ton here but we will still win by more than 300 runs probably. Amazing! Worse Aussie top order in their history I reckon.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It loks that way, amazed at the stats that Clarke has a better average coming in at number7 . Their top order really are woeful or are England that good?


I am not too sure of Nassers comment about there being alot of pressure on Swann to deliver, there isn't any pressure on when you are defending 500+..............surely


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


I think its a case of them being that crap. we have a good bowling line up but its not up there with the greatest of all time. Agree theres no more pressure on Swann than any other Test really.


 


 

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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 13:44:05




Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side


Originally Posted by: Gooner 




LOL. You don't think a win by 14 runs had anything to do with the captaincy?

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


No I don't, what spectacular decision did he make.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Huh? Why does it have to be about spectacular decisions? It's about the right bowling changes, the right fielding positions, good man management and communication with your team and the bowlers in particular.

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Gandalf The White
21 July 2013 13:46:37



Clarke could still get a ton here but we will still win by more than 300 runs probably. Amazing! Worse Aussie top order in their history I reckon.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


It loks that way, amazed at the stats that Clarke has a better average coming in at number7 . Their top order really are woeful or are England that good?


I am not too sure of Nassers comment about there being alot of pressure on Swann to deliver, there isn't any pressure on when you are defending 500+..............surely


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think its a case of them being that crap. we have a good bowling line up but its not up there with the greatest of all time. Agree theres no more pressure on Swann than any other Test really.


 


 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



I think there is to the extent that he's the only front-line spinner in the side on a turning pitch. If we're going to bowl them out he probably has to get another 5-fer.

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KevBrads1
21 July 2013 14:35:01
Root must be favourite for man of the match. Now he is collecting wickets, 2 already.
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Gooner
21 July 2013 15:27:08





Ok here is a Q


If Cook continues his poor form with the bat and England keep winning, does he stay as Captain? Does he keep his place in the side but lose the captaincy or does he get dropped altogether


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



He stays as captain. Just look at Mike Brearley.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Batty wise England are carrying Cook and KP against a better side we could pay for that .


When I sit and watch this morning I do wonder about Cooks level of captaincy, is he batting on just for J Root?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 



England carried Mike Brearley, infact they brought him back in 1981 as captain, they certainly didn't bring him back for his batting.

Mark Taylor had a bad period of batting and was under pressure in the lead up to the Ashes of 1997. Greg Chappell had a bad patch as Aussie captain when he seemed to be going off every time with a duck to his name.

Nasser Hussain had a real bad patch in 2000 but England won against the Windies for the first time in 30 odd years.

You don't change your captain when our team is on form and winning unless the captain is injured. It's the Aussies in a mire not England.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I just dont see any contribution from Cook to the series as a batsman, as a captain I will never know as Matty could captain this Engand side to a series win over this Australian side


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 




LOL. You don't think a win by 14 runs had anything to do with the captaincy?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


No I don't, what spectacular decision did he make.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Huh? Why does it have to be about spectacular decisions? It's about the right bowling changes, the right fielding positions, good man management and communication with your team and the bowlers in particular.

Have you captained a cricket team?

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Actually yes and you automatically know who is good in the field and where, it is hardly rocket science and you know when you need a bowling change, they are standard decisions, it is the out of ordinary decisions that stand out .................and you don't need any of them against this poor Aussie outfit

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SEMerc
21 July 2013 15:44:30

And this Test is slowly petering out to a defeat for the Aussies.

Gooner
21 July 2013 15:54:48


And this Test is slowly petering out to a defeat for the Aussies.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I bet the Aussies are absolutely gutted with the British weather so far

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Gooner
21 July 2013 17:05:30

Pattinson looks good with the bat, you can see why he was opener for Aussie under 19's, wonder why he isn't further up the order

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Essan
21 July 2013 17:10:38


Pattinson looks good with the bat, you can see why he was opener for Aussie under 19's, wonder why he isn't further up the order


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



If he can get a triple century, the Aussies might still have a chance

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21 July 2013 17:30:43
This isn't even a contest. Pathetic from the convicts. This series is over. It won't go down as a classic either as there is only one team in it. The worst convict batting lineup I've seen in my lifetime. Embarrassing.
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Gooner
21 July 2013 17:38:59

This isn't even a contest. Pathetic from the convicts. This series is over. It won't go down as a classic either as there is only one team in it. The worst convict batting lineup I've seen in my lifetime. Embarrassing.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


They are pretty toothless lets be honest, the top order in particular are really poor

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21 July 2013 17:44:16
2-0, series over.

Humiliation for the convicts. Total and utter humiliation. 😂
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Essan
21 July 2013 17:54:03

2-0, series over.

Humiliation for the convicts. Total and utter humiliation. LOL

Originally Posted by: Matty H 




The first Test was thrilling.   But only because our batsmen underperformed.   The second test was boring* - and still our batsmen underperformed.

For the 3rd test I suggest we don't replace Pietersen and just have 10 men.   Might make it a slightly more interesting game?


 


* edit that's not entirely true, but you know what I mean, our win was never in doubt

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Essan
21 July 2013 18:07:29

Bring in Onions to replace Pietersen?   He can bat as well as Pietersen has so far, and we have another bowler to boot?

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David M Porter
21 July 2013 18:16:13

This isn't even a contest. Pathetic from the convicts. This series is over. It won't go down as a classic either as there is only one team in it. The worst convict batting lineup I've seen in my lifetime. Embarrassing.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


A complete role reversal to many Ashes test matches 20 years ago. I bet the convicts wish they had Warne in his prime at the moment! Their success then wasn't purely down to him though, as the team generally had strength in depth, something their current side clearly doesn't.

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21 July 2013 18:20:43
Michael Holding has just basically said this convict's side is a bag of shite. He's right.

Where do they go from here apart from home in disgrace at the end of the summer?
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21 July 2013 18:24:43
Quick question, and be honest, does it show that I'm really enjoying this?
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Essan
21 July 2013 18:28:58

Quick question, and be honest, does it show that I'm really enjoying this?

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no

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21 July 2013 18:31:37

Quick question, and be honest, does it show that I'm really enjoying this?

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no

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I'll work on it 😎
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future_is_orange
21 July 2013 18:36:18


As the Beeb says, the conditions favour putting the Aussies in immediately, given the cloudy conditions, so it seems daft England continuing to bat.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



It's more than just daft, it's just absolutely stupid!

Given the potential for storms Monday (one hefty storm could deposit enough surface water on a hard outfield to wreck half the day) we absolutely categorically should have put them in for an hour last night. A tricky session where you'd have backed us to take a wicket or two against tired players who've been in the field for two days, but no. The record run chase clearly not enough for Cook. He wants to add another 100+ runs on top for no reason whatsoever, or is he putting personal milestones (Root) in front of the team goal? If so he needs his head seeing to.

Batting on this morning in cloudy, muggy conditions, with the lead we have and the forecast for sun this afternoon is stupid. Just stupid.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Yip we definitley made a James Hunt of that !!! Kiss

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21 July 2013 18:45:01


As the Beeb says, the conditions favour putting the Aussies in immediately, given the cloudy conditions, so it seems daft England continuing to bat.


Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 



It's more than just daft, it's just absolutely stupid!

Given the potential for storms Monday (one hefty storm could deposit enough surface water on a hard outfield to wreck half the day) we absolutely categorically should have put them in for an hour last night. A tricky session where you'd have backed us to take a wicket or two against tired players who've been in the field for two days, but no. The record run chase clearly not enough for Cook. He wants to add another 100+ runs on top for no reason whatsoever, or is he putting personal milestones (Root) in front of the team goal? If so he needs his head seeing to.

Batting on this morning in cloudy, muggy conditions, with the lead we have and the forecast for sun this afternoon is stupid. Just stupid.

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Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Hindsight makes that irrelevant.


Point remains. There was no need to bat on like that.

As it turns out if we had completely forfeited our second innings we'd have still won. That's what a drubbing it was.
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