The Ashes 2013 *ENGLAND VICTORIOUS AGAIN*· Page 54

bowser
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25 August 2013 20:12:39

The silly precedent was set a few tests ago - didn't hear too many on here bleating about that.

Originally Posted by: NickR

a) we all know that

b) it's the rule that's daft in general

c) this was a particularly drastic example, though - the earlier examples in this series have hardly been in such a tight and enthralling situation

d) if you think this is the time for measured, balanced analysis, then you're way off the mark.

Originally Posted by: bowser

Haha... They were kind of hamstrung to repeat the stupidity, I guess...

bowser
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25 August 2013 20:13:40

#1327

I was wondering how Kerrigan felt getting his medal and being at the celebrations? He must have felt uncomfortable, I think I would have.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1

Collingwood 2005...

Gandalf The White
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25 August 2013 20:22:04

#1328

Is a ball bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

Originally Posted by: Gooner

In a Day/Night match they use a WHITE cricket ball.

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25 August 2013 20:40:35

#1329

Is a ball bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

In a Day/Night match they use a WHITE cricket ball.

Originally Posted by: Gooner

Yes I pointed that out several posts ago. Do keep up.

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Gandalf The White
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25 August 2013 21:20:55

#1330

Is a ball bowled faster in a test than a day/night match?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze

In a Day/Night match they use a WHITE cricket ball.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Yes I pointed that out several posts ago. Do keep up.

Originally Posted by: Gooner

I didn't realise you were that knowledgeable having seen your criticism of the umpiring, Brian.....

;-)

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David M Porter
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25 August 2013 22:02:15

#1331

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

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Gandalf The White
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25 August 2013 22:08:02

#1332

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

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Saint Snow
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25 August 2013 22:11:11

#1333

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Watched that drama about Kerry Packer a few weeks ago - had a scene where they were experimenting with different coloured balls under the floodlights to see which one looked best on camera.

Just thought I'd share...

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David M Porter
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25 August 2013 22:18:22

#1334

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Can't disagree with any of that, Peter.

Earlier tonight Marcus (Gooner) mentioned that at the time the match was stopped, there were only 4 overs left to play. Like Marcus, I would have understood the reasoning for stopping it at that point had there been many more overs still to play, but with as little as 4 overs I would have thought the best thing to do would have been to have seen it out. It's the spectators who paid a lot of their hard-earned money to get in and see the match that I feel sorry for the most here. That said, I'm not sure how many balls/deliveries make up an over or how the beginning & end of an over is marked.

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Essan
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25 August 2013 22:24:20

#1335

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Can't disagree with any of that, Peter.

Earlier tonight Marcus (Gooner) mentioned that at the time the match was stopped, there were only 4 overs left to play. Like Marcus, I would have understood the reasoning for stopping it at that point had there been many more overs still to play, but with as little as 4 overs I would have thought the best thing to do would have been to have seen it out. It's the spectators who paid a lot of their hard-earned money to get in and see the match that I feel sorry for the most here. That said, I'm not sure how many balls/deliveries make up an over or how the beginning & end of an over is marked.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

6 balls in an over.

We're taking about another 15 minutes of playing time at most.

And that's the point. It wasn't like there was a long time to go or that there would be any noticeable deterioration in the light over that time period (bearing in mind the drop in light level was simply due to the setting sun, under clear skies).

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Gandalf The White
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25 August 2013 22:26:44

#1336

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Can't disagree with any of that, Peter.

Earlier tonight Marcus (Gooner) mentioned that at the time the match was stopped, there were only 4 overs left to play. Like Marcus, I would have understood the reasoning for stopping it at that point had there been many more overs still to play, but with as little as 4 overs I would have thought the best thing to do would have been to have seen it out. It's the spectators who paid a lot of their hard-earned money to get in and see the match that I feel sorry for the most here. That said, I'm not sure how many balls/deliveries make up an over or how the beginning & end of an over is marked.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Four overs, at the rate the Aussies were bowling, would have taken another 20 minutes. If another wicket had fallen then add another two minutes for that. If the decision had been reviewed add another 2 minutes. It could have been 7.55 or later by the end - and every chance that the match would have gone to the wire.

The spectators saw the highest number of runs seen in one day's play in a Test match - so they reported. That's fantastic value even if the ending wasn't what was wanted.

To be fair, if the Aussies had been batting I suspect the crowd would have carrying the umpires from the field in celebration....

Edited by user 25 August 2013 22:30:58 | Reason: Not specified

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Gandalf The White
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25 August 2013 22:30:08

#1337

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: Essan

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

Can't disagree with any of that, Peter.

Earlier tonight Marcus (Gooner) mentioned that at the time the match was stopped, there were only 4 overs left to play. Like Marcus, I would have understood the reasoning for stopping it at that point had there been many more overs still to play, but with as little as 4 overs I would have thought the best thing to do would have been to have seen it out. It's the spectators who paid a lot of their hard-earned money to get in and see the match that I feel sorry for the most here. That said, I'm not sure how many balls/deliveries make up an over or how the beginning & end of an over is marked.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

6 balls in an over.

We're taking about another 15 minutes of playing time at most.

And that's the point. It wasn't like there was a long time to go or that there would be any noticeable deterioration in the light over that time period (bearing in mind the drop in light level was simply due to the setting sun, under clear skies).

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

No Andy, they don't bowl overs in under 4 minutes in Test cricket. In that match situation with changes in field placings and conferences with the bowlers etc. much nearer 5 - or more.

As you say, the light was deteriorating with every passing minute because it wasn't about cloud cover but the setting sun and shadows.

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David M Porter
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25 August 2013 22:38:40

#1338

Perhaps the best resolution to the type of situation that we saw tonight would be if the ICC ditched the traditional all-white cricket shirts & trousers and red ball and reverted to coloured outfits and a white ball all the time. Then at least they would have a ball that would be easier seen when it's getting dark!

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Heaven forbid. The white ball doesn't even last 50 overs, imagine having to use it for 85!

Actually a pink ball might work but they're still not as good as the red variety.

These situations hardly ever arise. I can only think of one other and that was in Pakistan years ago. Common sense says you don't tinker with the laws/rules to deal with very rare issues.

If they have to react then a simple change to give the batsman the option to continue would suffice. An earlier start would help but doesn't guarantee that the light won't fail.

Originally Posted by: Essan

Can't disagree with any of that, Peter.

Earlier tonight Marcus (Gooner) mentioned that at the time the match was stopped, there were only 4 overs left to play. Like Marcus, I would have understood the reasoning for stopping it at that point had there been many more overs still to play, but with as little as 4 overs I would have thought the best thing to do would have been to have seen it out. It's the spectators who paid a lot of their hard-earned money to get in and see the match that I feel sorry for the most here. That said, I'm not sure how many balls/deliveries make up an over or how the beginning & end of an over is marked.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

6 balls in an over.

We're taking about another 15 minutes of playing time at most.

And that's the point. It wasn't like there was a long time to go or that there would be any noticeable deterioration in the light over that time period (bearing in mind the drop in light level was simply due to the setting sun, under clear skies).

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

No Andy, they don't bowl overs in under 4 minutes in Test cricket. In that match situation with changes in field placings and conferences with the bowlers etc. much nearer 5 - or more.

As you say, the light was deteriorating with every passing minute because it wasn't about cloud cover but the setting sun and shadows.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

I guess that with the schedule that was used for the five tests for this series covering a period of 7 weeks (I think) with the first test being back in mid-July, had the series started in June and been concluded before the end of July, the situation that arose tonight would probably have been avoided had the final test taken place last month as the days are noticeably longer at that point in the summer. That said, I remember watching the Ashes series of 1993 and 1997 on the BBC and from memory, back then it started with the first test in early June and the final test (I think there were 6 tests in both of those series) in mid-late August. I think is I was on either team, I would have preferred the schedule they had in '93 and '97 as it allowed more recovery time between the tests.

Edited by user 25 August 2013 22:39:54 | Reason: Not specified

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Matty H
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26 August 2013 13:20:28

#1339

Aggers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23837976

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Matty H
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26 August 2013 13:25:56

#1340

Someone has pressed Clarke's reset button. Apparently he's confident of regaining the Ashes in the coming series 😂 😂

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Essan
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26 August 2013 17:03:48

#1341

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/23837976

I think that's a very good piece, from someone who knows far more about cricket than any of us

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