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Matty H
01 September 2013 20:58:34
GFS was the model of failure most of last winter and much of this summer. I assumed we all accepted it was tripe now? 😁
Gooner
01 September 2013 22:22:14

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


HP still ends up a favourite of ECM


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


GIBBY
02 September 2013 07:26:28

Good morning folks. Here is the report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday September 2nd 2013.


All models support High pressure close to the South for the next 48-72 hrs as it transfers slowly East along the English Channel towards Europe. The North lies covered in a slack Westerly flow with cloud, rain and drizzle at times principally in the NW. By Thursday and more notably on Friday a trough of low pressure moves in and across the UK from the West with a Low centre forming close to SE England likely by the weekend while once the trough is passed a High pressure ridge will move in close to the North. In weather terms after several days of fine and very warm weather across the South and cloudier conditions further North the weather turns more showery for all areas for a time later in the week. Over next weekend the North would be likely to become drier again while the South maintains showery weather with limited brightness.


The Fax Charts show the above trend well but as the front clears SE on Friday it shows only the SE half of England left with rain at times with Low pressure developing near SE England.


GFS then shows slack Low pressure close to Eastern England for several days before relaxing it away to the South of the UK in 10 days time or so with rain or showers continuing off and on, especially in the South. Late in the run a new Low from the Atlantic keeps the unsettled and changeable theme going with rain at times extending to all areas in average September temperatures.


The GFS Ensembles are a little cooler in the South than those shown last night with a notable cool and wet slot this coming weekend for the South. Thereafter changeable conditions look like remaining with some drier interludes indicated by many members but with some rain too almost anywhere at times in temperatures relatively close to average.


The Jet Stream currently flowing East to the North of Britain develops an arm which pushes South over the UK and around the developing depression close to SE Britain at the weekend. This cut off low then keeps this weak Jet Stream arm in situ for several days while a new surge of energy within the main core of the flow pushes East close to Northern Britain late in the run.


UKMO today shows Low pressure having formed close to or over the South late in the weekend. As a result some rain and showers will affect many areas but Scotland could escape the worst spare a cool East breeze off the North sea for the East coast.


GEM also highlights the Low at the weekend over the South trapped in situ for several days before easing it away slowly South at the end of the run. There will be several days of rain and showers over chiefly but not exclusively over Southern Britain with the risk declining towards the far South by the end of the run.


NAVGEM too shows a cool pool trough over the UK at the weekend and start of next week with an upper shallow Low maintaining the risk of heavy showers or outbreaks of rain going across England and Wales especially.


ECM shows Low pressure over the South at the weekend gradually pulling further towards the SW with High pressure over Scandinavia bringing dry and bright weather to the North and East while the South and West remain at risk of rain at times throughout the final half of the run.


In Summary today we are back to where we were yesterday morning as this morning's output has reverted to maintaining some sort of low pressure area over or close to Southern England next weekend and the start of the following week. This would mean showers and outbreaks of rain in rather humid conditions for many while the north sees High pressure close by either directly to the North or NE over Scandinavia maintain the chance of some fine and dry periods here. After the dizzy heights of temperatures expected in the South and East through this week it looks like temperatures will fall off somewhat to more like the seasonal average given the large amounts of cloud expected over the UK as a whole. 


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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ARTzeman
02 September 2013 07:46:26

Thank You Martin..


Gardens will benefit from rainfall end of the week.






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Others just get wet.
I Just Blow my horn or trumpet
DEW
  • DEW
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02 September 2013 08:16:42

Thanks, Martin - and not just because I picked this weekend for a few days in the north, leaving the south coast to look after itself


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
nsrobins
02 September 2013 09:11:12


Thanks, Martin - and not just because I picked this weekend for a few days in the north, leaving the south coast to look after itself


Originally Posted by: DEW 


But we can't - we need you here!
Looks a decent week then some rain which we need and the gradual fall into Autumn continues.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Charmhills
02 September 2013 09:24:50



Thanks, Martin - and not just because I picked this weekend for a few days in the north, leaving the south coast to look after itself


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


But we can't - we need you here!
Looks a decent week then some rain which we need and the gradual fall into Autumn continues.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Some rain would be good as it been bone dry here for over 2 weeks.


And I'm fed up of watering the garden.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
nsrobins
02 September 2013 11:09:33

The combination of a warm, moist airmass and falling pressure generates some decent CAPE on the near continent on Friday/Saturday.
Late summer going out with a bang?


 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Gandalf The White
02 September 2013 12:15:17



Thanks, Martin - and not just because I picked this weekend for a few days in the north, leaving the south coast to look after itself


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


But we can't - we need you here!
Looks a decent week then some rain which we need and the gradual fall into Autumn the Fall continues.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Amended for entertainment value....



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
02 September 2013 12:21:06


The combination of a warm, moist airmass and falling pressure generates some decent CAPE on the near continent on Friday/Saturday.
Late summer going out with a bang?


 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I've been watching the weekend for some days now, as the models have played around with the positioning of the upper trough and surface features.  I was hoping it would be a gentle deterioration because it's the last weekend of the league cricket season for many clubs and we've got the Cup Final on Sunday.   Really really could do with a decent or half-decent weekend but it's starting to look iffy at best.


The GFS 06z offers some hope that Saturday might not be a disaster.


The ECM 00z ensembles show a horrible level of agreement on a very marked change on Friday: almost 10C cooler than Thursday


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Sevendust
02 September 2013 12:24:14




Thanks, Martin - and not just because I picked this weekend for a few days in the north, leaving the south coast to look after itself


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


But we can't - we need you here!
Looks a decent week then some rain which we need and the gradual fall into Autumn the Fall continues.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Amended for entertainment value....



Originally Posted by: DEW 


Very good Gandalf


Lots of energy about late this week. Could be some torrential rain. Hoping to finally test the guttering on the new summer house

Gandalf The White
02 September 2013 13:01:10


 


Very good Gandalf


Lots of energy about late this week. Could be some torrential rain. Hoping to finally test the guttering on the new summer house


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


  Thanks.


Having seen the probable trend confirmed I'm working flat out to finish painting the outside of the house and garage before Friday.


It's a pity it couldn't break down 48 hours later - but as we all know from close scrutiny of the charts in winter, the exact details of the rain won't be clear until the end of the week, so still some hope it won't be a wash out.


I hope the guttering passes the test.   Is there a lightning conductor fitted?


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Sevendust
02 September 2013 16:12:13



 


Very good Gandalf


Lots of energy about late this week. Could be some torrential rain. Hoping to finally test the guttering on the new summer house


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


  Thanks.


Having seen the probable trend confirmed I'm working flat out to finish painting the outside of the house and garage before Friday.


It's a pity it couldn't break down 48 hours later - but as we all know from close scrutiny of the charts in winter, the exact details of the rain won't be clear until the end of the week, so still some hope it won't be a wash out.


I hope the guttering passes the test.   Is there a lightning conductor fitted?


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


No point here - been crap for thunder again this year!....plus there are some very big trees adjacent to the summer house so they should take the strike LOL!


I notice Matts ramping again. Cue YD and Steve Murr

02 September 2013 16:24:19




 


Very good Gandalf


Lots of energy about late this week. Could be some torrential rain. Hoping to finally test the guttering on the new summer house


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


  Thanks.


Having seen the probable trend confirmed I'm working flat out to finish painting the outside of the house and garage before Friday.


It's a pity it couldn't break down 48 hours later - but as we all know from close scrutiny of the charts in winter, the exact details of the rain won't be clear until the end of the week, so still some hope it won't be a wash out.


I hope the guttering passes the test.   Is there a lightning conductor fitted?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


No point here - been crap for thunder again this year!....plus there are some very big trees adjacent to the summer house so they should take the strike LOL!


I notice Matts ramping again. Cue YD and Steve Murr


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Its not ramping when its nailed on

Sevendust
02 September 2013 16:25:54





 


Very good Gandalf


Lots of energy about late this week. Could be some torrential rain. Hoping to finally test the guttering on the new summer house


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


  Thanks.


Having seen the probable trend confirmed I'm working flat out to finish painting the outside of the house and garage before Friday.


It's a pity it couldn't break down 48 hours later - but as we all know from close scrutiny of the charts in winter, the exact details of the rain won't be clear until the end of the week, so still some hope it won't be a wash out.


I hope the guttering passes the test.   Is there a lightning conductor fitted?


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


No point here - been crap for thunder again this year!....plus there are some very big trees adjacent to the summer house so they should take the strike LOL!


I notice Matts ramping again. Cue YD and Steve Murr


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Its not ramping when its nailed on


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Fair comment

Hungry Tiger
02 September 2013 16:56:44


http://images.meteociel.fr/im/71678/cfs-1-1-2014_kbx1.png


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


Forget it - It's nowhere near winter yet.


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Hungry Tiger
02 September 2013 16:57:17

Btw - please keep on topic.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
Contact the TWO team - [email protected]
South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Gandalf The White
02 September 2013 17:33:22



http://images.meteociel.fr/im/71678/cfs-1-1-2014_kbx1.png


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Forget it - It's nowhere near winter yet.


Originally Posted by: ManUtdMatt1986 


And it's the cfs run.........



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Matty H
02 September 2013 18:51:11
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