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David M Porter
16 August 2013 20:33:32

As you were folks.


For those who didn't see it in the last thread, I have quoted Martin's (GIBBY) summary of tonight's model output below:



Good evening. Here is the report on the 12 noon output from the big 5 tonight for today Friday August 16th 2013.


All models show a brief ridge of High pressure crossing the UK ahead of a set of fronts associated to a deep Low to the NW of the British Isles tomorrow. This crosses East to the North of Scotland over the weekend with spells of rain followed by showers for all. By Monday High pressure will be building towards the South and East of the UK while the North and West maintain cloudy weather at times with further occasional rain accentuated by the passage of a further small Low moving NE across the NW while filling rapidly.


GFS squeezes the life out of this feature settling the weather down over the UK as a whole with warm or very warm conditions developing for all by the latter stages of the week. The weather does look as though the chance of a few thundery showers grow by next weekend across the South before cooler and more unsettled conditions show signs of returning from the NW at times over the second half of the run.


The GFS Ensembles show a fine and warm period coming up with most members showing uppers well above average as the High moves up from the SW next week. Even in the North the weather will improve with time with plenty of warm members here too while temperatures are well above average here too.


The Jet Stream shows the flow migrating further North as we move through next week, a pattern that more or less is maintained even towards the outer reaches of reality.


UKMO tonight shows High pressure well established over the UK by next Thursday with fine, sunny and very warm conditions to be enjoyed for most if not all areas later next week and earlier in the South.


GEM still shows a rather shorter spell of warm weather as it quickly allows High pressure to recede away East late next week at the expense of a trough moving in from the West and setting up a cut off cool pool close to SW Britain late in the run with rain or thundery showers as a result towards these regions.


NAVGEM is looking reasonably good tonight with High pressure dominating the weather through next week. There is a phase around midweek when despite High pressure the weather may be just fair but by the end of the week all areas look like becoming warm and sunny.


ECM is a little between and betwixt this evening as it's the spoiler Low on Tuesday which tends to dilute the extent of the push of High pressure from the SW. There seems more of a slack pressure pattern with a puddle of cool uppers aloft which could set off a few showers in the warm or very warm conditions experienced at the surface. By the end of the run High pressure is maintained via a tenuous ridge across the UK. Some thundery showers could be experienced in the South leading up to the weekend before the toppling ridge on Day 10 holds the weather fine, dry and reasonably warm elsewhere before and to all areas at the end of the run.


In Summary there is a little indecision between the outputs tonight. There are some cracks appearing in the High pressure based pattern tonight which don't indicate a flawed outlook other than there may be more moisture injected aloft which could give rise to a few showers in among the very warm and suuny spells. This is mostly caused by the small Low moving NE across the NW early next week against rising pressure, the cold pool of which could get caught in the air above the UK. Longer term as always there are various ways the fine and warm spell could end, all feasible but there is equal chance that we could hold on to fine and warm conditions right out into September. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


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Steam Fog
16 August 2013 22:50:44

Loooks warm next weekend on 18z.


Maximum of 28C next Friday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16817.png


Maximun of 30C next Saturday in parts of England


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png


Reaching 31C in SE next Sunday


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png

White Meadows
17 August 2013 06:51:24
A big improvement this morning if you love prolonged, warm/ very warm conditions, even hot later next week & into the bank holiday.
Still time for things to adjust for/against the high pressure scenario of course but looking good in current output!!
GIBBY
17 August 2013 07:26:09

Good morning. Here is the morning report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday August 17th 2013.


All models show an active Low pressure to the NW of the British Isles moving East to the North of Scotland carrying a system of troughs East across the UK today with wind and rain. A more straightforward Westerly flow is shown tomorrow with sunshine and showers for all. Pressure will be rising quickly across the South later in the day with High pressure moving in close to Southern and Eastern areas through the early days of next week with the North and West remaining more changeable up until midweek with rain at times.


GFS then shows fine and warm weather extending to all areas from midweek as high pressure migrates North. Late in the week and weekend some thundery showers may develop towards the South as some thundery Low pressure edges up from the South. Through the remainder of the run warm weather is shown to continue for a time before more changeable conditions develop from Low pressure areas close to the SW towards the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles show a sustained spell of warm and largely dry weather is pretty much nailed on now especially in the south and East. As always there is a slow fall off in temperatures towards the end of the run as natural variability and more uncertainty is likely at that range.


The Jet Stream forecast continues to project the flow moving North next week in response to high pressure over or near the UK. It does then become weak and indecisive in location  later as slacker pressure patterns take hold.


UKMO for soon after midweek shows High pressure just off Western Norway with a SE flow across the UK with very warm and sunny weather likely. Some thundery rain is getting close to the far SW by the end of the week.


GEM too shows High pressure close to Northern Britain  with sunny spells for all and very warm conditions too. As the other models thundery Low's lie to the South or SW later with an increasing risk of thundery showers here by the end of the week and into the weekend.


NAVGEM is the same with several warm and sunny days later next week giving way to more thundery conditions developing across Southern Britain, certainly by the weekend.


ECM completes the set with High pressure to the north late next week with a slack easterly flow over the UK with Low pressure down to the SW. There will be plenty of fine and very warm weather to be enjoyed though the risk of thundery showers is present for the South next weekend.


In Summary there is a lot of uniformity between the models today with all models promoting a period of warm, sunny and settled weather next week, nationally from midweek. In addition they all also show that the weather may turn rather humid and thundery later next week and weekend with Southern areas at risk of thundery showers though from this morning's output nothing widespread looks likely and most likely none at all away from Southern England. With a light Continental flow next week some very warm temperatures are likely probably highest in the sheltered West and in the South generally. 


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ARTzeman
17 August 2013 08:06:46

Thanks Martin..


 


BBC West Weather was not sure on what will happen next week..






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Gavin P
17 August 2013 08:14:01

It's those little low pressure area's to the south and west that are causing all the problems for Bank Holiday weekend - Why can't BH's ever be straight forward.


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Hippydave
17 August 2013 08:34:05


It's those little low pressure area's to the south and west that are causing all the problems for Bank Holiday weekend - Why can't BH's ever be straight forward.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Definitely wouldn't want to have to call the BH based on this mornings runs, more so for the South I guess. If the HP is a little slacker and the LP a bit more vigorous it could be a wash out for some, vice versa it could be cracking for pretty much the whole country.


GFS then shows a slightly more unsettled pattern after T216 (to me anyway) with showery rain a threat for many with temps gradually falling away with time. ECM obviously doesn't go out so far so can't tell whether it would show a slow decline similar to GFS or keep the generally HP dominated theme going


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Stormchaser
17 August 2013 08:49:01

That little LP for the middle part of next week still needs resolving; the 00z runs are a right mix for that, with GFS taking it furthest NW with the least impact on our weather,
UKMO taking it further SE but having it stall and fizzle out just to the NW - with little impact on the building heat to the south,
ECM matching UKMO on day 4 but then taking the decaying trough right through the UK, bringing bits of cloud and rain and also hampering the build of heat somewhat,
and GEM rushing the LP through quickly with HP building in behind and a good plume of heat locking into place across the south in particular.


 


Given the importance of the evolution there for how the high pressure orientates thereafter, I'd leave the BH prospects until the midweek ones are sorted


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Gooner
17 August 2013 09:03:29

Hot weather back for next weekend been a good summer and very dry


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Brian Gaze
17 August 2013 12:24:59

There was a hardware failure in the US yesterday which has caused problems with the GFE/GEFS charts on most sites which people here use. I noticed some comments in this thread yesterday (Friday) about a GFS run which had I think been generated with Thursday's datasets.  The operational GFS 0z and 6z runs should today be complete on most sites, but the GEFS data may be missing or stale.


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17 August 2013 12:46:55

No-one mentioning the unsettled weather from the north west that the GFS is showing for Bank Holiday weekend?

Hungry Tiger
17 August 2013 13:24:20


Hot weather back for next weekend been a good summer and very dry


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


The big question is though - will the warm/hot weather last through the Bank Holiday. Bank Holidays in Britain are guaranteed to bring the kiss of death to most decent spells of weather.


 


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Polar Low
17 August 2013 13:34:04

Thanks Martin



Good morning. Here is the morning report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday August 17th 2013.


All models show an active Low pressure to the NW of the British Isles moving East to the North of Scotland carrying a system of troughs East across the UK today with wind and rain. A more straightforward Westerly flow is shown tomorrow with sunshine and showers for all. Pressure will be rising quickly across the South later in the day with High pressure moving in close to Southern and Eastern areas through the early days of next week with the North and West remaining more changeable up until midweek with rain at times.


GFS then shows fine and warm weather extending to all areas from midweek as high pressure migrates North. Late in the week and weekend some thundery showers may develop towards the South as some thundery Low pressure edges up from the South. Through the remainder of the run warm weather is shown to continue for a time before more changeable conditions develop from Low pressure areas close to the SW towards the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles show a sustained spell of warm and largely dry weather is pretty much nailed on now especially in the south and East. As always there is a slow fall off in temperatures towards the end of the run as natural variability and more uncertainty is likely at that range.


The Jet Stream forecast continues to project the flow moving North next week in response to high pressure over or near the UK. It does then become weak and indecisive in location  later as slacker pressure patterns take hold.


UKMO for soon after midweek shows High pressure just off Western Norway with a SE flow across the UK with very warm and sunny weather likely. Some thundery rain is getting close to the far SW by the end of the week.


GEM too shows High pressure close to Northern Britain  with sunny spells for all and very warm conditions too. As the other models thundery Low's lie to the South or SW later with an increasing risk of thundery showers here by the end of the week and into the weekend.


NAVGEM is the same with several warm and sunny days later next week giving way to more thundery conditions developing across Southern Britain, certainly by the weekend.


ECM completes the set with High pressure to the north late next week with a slack easterly flow over the UK with Low pressure down to the SW. There will be plenty of fine and very warm weather to be enjoyed though the risk of thundery showers is present for the South next weekend.


In Summary there is a lot of uniformity between the models today with all models promoting a period of warm, sunny and settled weather next week, nationally from midweek. In addition they all also show that the weather may turn rather humid and thundery later next week and weekend with Southern areas at risk of thundery showers though from this morning's output nothing widespread looks likely and most likely none at all away from Southern England. With a light Continental flow next week some very warm temperatures are likely probably highest in the sheltered West and in the South generally. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Polar Low
17 August 2013 13:44:18

 


 http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html


close attention the Iberian trough lurking good agreement at 500


But we may get away with it as it may just sit far enough away fro the s/w as per ecm 0z


 


Nice from both


 


 http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


 

Polar Low
17 August 2013 16:31:20

please no couldnt make it up im on friggin s/w hoilday that week get the thing out of the way please!!


shirt day my football team lose then c this chart


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0

Polar Low
17 August 2013 16:40:51
Charmhills
17 August 2013 16:49:39

An increasingly warm/humid and thundery flavor to the models as of late.


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Polar Low
17 August 2013 17:00:19

gm having nowt of it good hold off from gm!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


 

Polar Low
17 August 2013 17:22:01

crafty correction fronm japs at t84 huge pressure rise behind energy what wilh happen from here running a little late i might add


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=84&mode=1

Stormchaser
17 August 2013 17:35:35


please no couldnt make it up im on friggin s/w hoilday that week get the thing out of the way please!!


shirt day my football team lose then c this chart


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Don't fret - it's only a shallow, showery low, so it wouldn't be an autumnal washout, in fact it would be far more pleasant than what I had to put up with for a good part of my holiday in Cornwall in late June/early July.


Granted, it then develops further, which is a reasonable solution from the chart you posted... hopefully it will move away swiftly if it does turn up as shown.


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Polar Low
17 August 2013 17:41:17

 as long as i can get on my wind surfing james s/w life guards more fussy than essex for some reason.




please no couldnt make it up im on friggin s/w hoilday that week get the thing out of the way please!!


shirt day my football team lose then c this chart


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Don't fret - it's only a shallow, showery low, so it wouldn't be an autumnal washout, in fact it would be far more pleasant than what I had to put up with for a good part of my holiday in Cornwall in late June/early July.


Granted, it then develops further, which is a reasonable solution from the chart you posted... hopefully it will move away swiftly if it does turn up as shown.


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Polar Low
17 August 2013 17:49:51

gfs members running also late 11 and 18 at complete logger heads.


something worrys them a lot.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=138&code=11&mode=0&carte=0

Gooner
17 August 2013 18:09:03

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19217.png


Sunday looks hot


Monday is not


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn21617.png


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GIBBY
17 August 2013 19:12:43

Good evening. Here is the report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for tonight Saturday August 17th 2013.


All models show the UK lying under a Westerly flow with fronts leaving the SE tonight. Tomorrow will see the Westerly flow carry showers across the UK with rising pressure through the day across the South. As we move into the new week further Low pressure could continue to give the North and West some further rain at times while Southern and Eastern areas become dry and increasingly sunny and warm with High pressure building. From midweek the weather is shown to settle down for all with High pressure moving further North and affecting all of the UK.


GFS then shows pressure falling down to the SW with thundery showers arriving at the start of the weekend and gradually feeding further North and East across the UK. The front eventually clears the East bringing temperatures down to closer the seasonal average as winds turn towards the NW. Towards the end of the run the weather remains somewhat cooler as High pressure reasserts itself to the SW of the UK with West or NW winds blowing down over the UK. Due to the proximity of High pressure to the SW little rain would be likely with any that falls only in the far North and NE. 


There is still very good support within the GFS Ensembles for a sustained period of fine and very warm conditions lasting some time with the operational proving to be a pessimistic member of the pack. There is very little rainfall shown especially in the South.


The Jet Stream shows the current Jet flow across the UK migrating North early next week arriving on Iceland shores where it remains for some considerable time as well as weakening in strength.


UKMO tonight shows High pressure to the NE with a slack area of Low pressure slipping up from the South close to the SW next weekend promoting a few thundery showers down there while most other areas stay dry, sunny and very warm.


GEM tonight shows High pressure holding control from late next week across all of the UK with High pressure never straying far from UK shores. This means that the weather would remain dry, sunny and very warm for most in light winds.


NAVGEM shows Low pressure quickly gaining control of the weather down to the SW of the UK next weekend with outbreaks of rain or thundery showers affecting Southern and Western Britain while Northern and Eastern areas are most likely to stay dry, warm and bright.


ECM tonight looks good for those looking for prolonged warmth as once High pressure sets in over the South at the beginning of the week and to all areas late next week the weather looks like staying dry and very warm with long sunny spells with High pressure centred close to the UK throughout.


In Summary all looks good tonight with all models supportive of high pressure building across the UK from the early to middle part of the coming week. There are a few options which introduce some thundery showers into the South and SW later but already these are less dominant than this morning with ECM in particular looking good for a chance of a very warm and sunny start to September as it's Day 10 chart shows little weakening of the high pressure based pattern for some while beyond term of the run.


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