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Gusty
22 October 2013 11:07:38



Classic gfs overpower from the opp mean below at same time dont worry about it!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


 


 





We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


hi   sorry i forgot your name on the last page  . it look so intense that if it come off it might be the same has 1987 or burns night storm .so i with u .


Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


Originally Posted by: idj20 



The thing is; I take and value Steve's thoughts seriously and if anyone can spot something like this from miles away and comment on it, it'd be Steve and thus with that to mind, then I would be worried.
  Also, there does seem to be a general agreement across the board for this kind of thing to come off. Of course, I still hope there'll be downgrades but this is something I want to keep an eye on anyway.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Thanks Ian and Polar Low.


It's there on the 06 GFS.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.png


GFS, in my opinion, over the years is very good at picking out atlantic based rapidly deepening disturbances at relatively long range.


It's got my attention. It has the potential to be destructive.


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doctormog
22 October 2013 11:16:01

Next Monday doesn't look like a day to be taking the ferry out of Harwich 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1505.gif

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



On the plus side they could say fuel by putting a very large sail on the vessel 😝

Although the details are very uncertain there does look to be rather a high probability if an intense storm hitting somewhere in the UK in the 5 to 7 day period.

As others have said in does look Ike a very unsettled outlook.
Gooner
22 October 2013 13:32:55

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Damaging if correct


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Hungry Tiger
22 October 2013 13:58:39


We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Oh dear. That looks quite destructive.


 


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Hungry Tiger
22 October 2013 13:59:50


Next Monday doesn't look like a day to be taking the ferry out of Harwich 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1505.gif


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


That looks to me like gusts of up to 80 mph for East Anglia.


 


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Charmhills
22 October 2013 17:33:50

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Gales on Monday UK wide.


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David M Porter
22 October 2013 17:41:35


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


Gales on Monday UK wide.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I imagine that is things verify as shown in that chart, the tmeps next Monday will be considerably lower than what we have just now and have seen in recent days.


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Gooner
22 October 2013 18:32:01

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.png


GFS at 144


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


UKMO at 144


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1441.gif


ECM at 144


 


UKMO over doing it??


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idj20
22 October 2013 18:43:07

Just had another look at the charts and the gales expected for Monday has been vastly downgraded - now looking like no different to what it has been like today (fresh to strong winds rather than stormy-type gale force winds).
  This is the worst the latest charts has to offer for Monday morning, looks less aggressive . .  . http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=uv10&HH=138&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= . . . but still plenty of time for the models to carry on chopping and changing their minds.
 
It did get me worried for a moment, though!


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GIBBY
22 October 2013 19:20:48

Hi everyone. Here is tonight's report on the 12 noon output from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 22nd 2013.


All models show a Low tracking NNE across Western Sea areas towards the North of Scotland filling steadily. A night of thundery showers or rain at times in very squally winds will be replaced by drier weather filtering across from the West tomorrow. Northern areas may maintain showers for much of tomorrow before the better weather arrives here on Thursday. In the South things slide downhill again on Thursday as a new low approaches from the SW sending troughs North and East across the UK with spells of heavy rain followed by heavy showers again later in the day. As this Low moves further NE a strong Westerly flow takes hold with cooler weather with rain or showers looking prevalent for all over the weekend.


GFS takes us through next week with very changeable conditions shown. High pressure is evident over the continent next week and this provides mild and very strong SW winds over the UK with severe gales in the NW. All areas will see fronts cross NE through the week with rain at times, heaviest in the North and West. Later in the run Low pressure digs deeper down over the UK carrying colder and unsettled conditions with heavy rain at times for all for a time before pressure builds again to the SE at the end of the run with milder SW winds returning to the North and dry weather with patchy frost and fog by night in the South.


UKMO closes it's run tonight with with a deep Low pressure off Eastern Scotland with a strong cyclonic flow across all of Britain. Severe West or NW gales look likely for all with frequent, squally and thundery showers with hail in places and a little snow over Scottish hills. Temperatures would be close to average with a very cold feel in the breeze.


GEM shows a very windy spell too early next week as a deep Low pressure only slowly leaves Eastern Scotland. Strong to gale force Westerly winds will drive showers through with some snow possible on Scottish hills. Temperatures will remain close to average. Later in the week the West and SW looks like seeing the greatest risk from rain as a ridge crosses Britain West to East then builds into High pressure over Central Europe. Deep Low pressure in the NW Atlantic throws small scale features and troughs in towards the UK where they stall to the SW with these areas seeing rain at times while the East and NE become dry, bright and somewhat colder.


NAVGEM tonight keeps a Low pressure belt over or just to the North of the UK next week with a strong and cool Westerly flow across the UK with spells of rain and showers for all with some snow on Scottish hills.


ECM shows a windy and unsettled weekend lasting into next week in the South as a Low moves slowly East over Northern France maintaining rain at times here. There after things remain very changeable with a brief drier spell in the South before mild SW winds return to all with rain at times and temperatures back up to levels just above average for a time. A cold front crosses SE later in the week with rain clearing to showers on Thursday with the run ending next Friday showing a broad and strong Westerly flow, relatively mild but unstable with rain at times, chiefly in the cooler North. 


The GFS Ensembles show a typical sine wave pattern tonight indicative of a very mobile and strong Atlantic flow with alternating air masses crossing from the West through the period. Each change of air mass brings it's own spell of rain which is shown to mount up over the period. Winds too will be very strong at times mostly from the West making Northern and Western areas at highest risk of gales or severe gales, particularly late this weekend and early next week.


The Jet Stream in the reliable time frame shows a strong flow currently well South in the Atlantic steered North across the UK for the next three to four days before it crosses the UK from a more Westerly point through next week and even further North thereafter.


In Summary tonight it's hard to see the wood for the trees as we move into next week with widely varying options shown between the models. The one positive is the removal of any major damaging storm system tonight though admittedly the weekend could see some pretty lively gusts in places, especially in the North and West but in all honesty nothing too extraordinary for this time in Autumn. It doesn't look particularly chilly on tonight's output either with plenty of scope for some occasionally mild days in among the cooler ones. However, things look very undecided next week so I won't comment too much on the latter output tonight and prefer to wait and see what tomorrows runs have to offer.


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idj20
23 October 2013 00:47:16
And now it's back on again regarding Mondays gales - and as an upgrade! 😢 Now looks worse than it ever did before.
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stormwatcher
23 October 2013 01:04:19

And now it's back on again regarding Mondays gales - and as an upgrade! Crying Now looks worse than it ever did before.

Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


i got a very strange feeling if this storm has a sting jet we could be in trouble but it could be downgraded again . idj20 how is the wind where u are? it is blowing a gale here though no lightling which i like very much .

idj20
23 October 2013 01:23:03

And now it's back on again regarding Mondays gales - and as an upgrade! Crying Now looks worse than it ever did before.

Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


 


i got a very strange feeling if this storm has a sting jet we could be in trouble but it could be downgraded again . idj20 how is the wind where u are? it is blowing a gale here though no lightling which i like very much .

Originally Posted by: idj20 



Here's hoping it does turn out to be the models overplaying things again, but indeed it is quite blustery out there at the moment. Doesn't help that the wind is blowing straight in from the south, in from the Channel, so I am feeling rather exposed.
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Twister
23 October 2013 05:48:32

Models this morning continue to indcate a threat of very stormy weather this weekend and particularly on Monday.


 


GFS 0Z run


The entire weekend is looking very blowy on the 0Z GFS run.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013102300/gfs-0-108.png?0 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2013102300/gfs-0-126.png?0 




In other models:


ECM the strongest winds this weekend appear to be centred more across the southern half. Less intense than GFS though.


MetO certainly shows the potential for some stormy weather, although shows that the exact location is still uncertain. Sun/Mon: http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2013102300/UW120-21.GIF?23-07


GEM modelling severe winds in the south on Monday. Looks at bad as GFS, if not worse. http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013102300/gem-0-138.png?00


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Gusty
23 October 2013 05:52:02

GFS have upgraded things for the Monday storm potential. 80mph gusts likely I would have thought. 


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idj20
23 October 2013 07:12:07


GFS have upgraded things for the Monday storm potential. 80mph gusts likely I would have thought. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Mornin' Steve. Indeed, seems it's now back on the agenda again so I shall carry on keeping my beady eyes on it as well as checking up on my building insurance.
  The only saving grace that it is likely to be coming in from the SW or W which means the hilly built-up bit to my south west may try and absorb some of the worse of the gales and that. Rather it do that than it come steaming in straight in from the sea, like it did last night.


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Stormchaser
23 October 2013 07:29:05

The models can't agree on how the energy will phase to start next week. GFS piles it into the first of two secondary lows, making for a swift but violent storm, while UKMO is a bit more restrained and ECM keeps the energy back with the second of those secondary lows, resulting in a small but fiesty feature tracking through the Channel:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2013102300/ECF1-144.GIF?23-12




For the most exciting version of events, take a look at GEM this morning, which deepens it's chosen system just that little bit further than GFS.




Longer term... the Polar Vortex looks to be raging away for the forseeable, with only small hints of a possible displacement some time next month (PV ventures to the U.S. but doesn't look easy to shove around).


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23 October 2013 07:55:38


Hi everyone. Here is tonight's report on the 12 noon output from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 22nd 2013.


...


In Summary tonight it's hard to see the wood for the trees as we move into next week with widely varying options shown between the models. The one positive is the removal of any major damaging storm system tonight though admittedly the weekend could see some pretty lively gusts in places, especially in the North and West but in all honesty nothing too extraordinary for this time in Autumn. It doesn't look particularly chilly on tonight's output either with plenty of scope for some occasionally mild days in among the cooler ones. However, things look very undecided next week so I won't comment too much on the latter output tonight and prefer to wait and see what tomorrows runs have to offer.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


So the models don't always get it right even at 12 hours notice! Local radio reporting trees down closing at least 3 major roads in Sussex/Hampshire, a couple of houses and an IoW substation set on fire by lightning, and Pompey's home match abandoned on safety grounds!


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GIBBY
23 October 2013 08:11:20

Good morning. Here is today's browse through the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 22nd 2013.


All models continue to programme unsettled weather for the reliable future with the next three to four days agreed upon by all output. The mild SSW flow of recent days is replaced by a fresher Westerly flow, still somewhat showery but less heavy and thundery than of late. A ridge is then shown to move up across the UK tonight and tomorrow with a window of dry and bright weather for all tomorrow. By Friday a new Low will be showing it's hand towards the South and West with cloud and heavy rain moving NE across England and Wales through the day. This then becomes absorbed by a large Atlantic depression up to the NW to make way for a very windy and unsettled weekend with showers or longer spells of rain in near gale West or SW winds for all and temperatures back down to average levels or maybe a little below in the North where it may become chilly enough by the beginning of next week for some hill snow over Scotland.


GFS then shows a small but vigorous Low crossing East over Britain early next week with gales and heavy rain for all, severe on Western coasts for a time. This then is followed by a temporary rather chilly showery NW flow before a weak ridge moves East across the UK around midweek and in turn followed by a return to cloud and mild SW winds with rain by the end of the week. This then paves the way for the rest of the run as Northern and Western areas become most prone to strong winds and rain at times while the South and East close to higher pressure over Europe sees only occasional rain as weakening cold fronts pass through. It would be relatively mild over the UK but not as mild as recently.


UKMO looks very disturbed this morning for early next week with a chilly and strong NW flow next Tuesday following a potentially stormy spell for a time early in the week. Most areas would see some sunshine but squally showers and with temperatures much lower than of late some snow over Northern mountains would be likely.


GEM today brings back it's vicious little Low crossing England and Wales early next week with potential gales, possibly damaging in places buffeting Wales and Southern England for a time along with heavy rain. As it clears the weather becomes showery and then calms down briefly under a transient ridge before further Low pressure and attendant rain and showers take over for all again before the end of next week. Temperatures would be near or perhaps a little below for a time in the NW flow in the wake of the Low early next week but all this is academic in the strength of the wind as it would feel chilly everywhere.


NAVGEM is also very disturbed next week with trough and Low pressure streaming over the UK through the week with spells of rain alternating with showers. It would be windy with gales at times though without the storm system shown by some other output nothing out of the ordinary is shown by NAVGEM. Temperatures would be close to normal overall, perhaps rather cold in the North at times.


ECM brings the disturbance next week just that bit further South which would take any real strong winds down over France. However, it is close enough to provide a lot of rain following a wet weekend for the South. Later in the run pressure rises somewhat over the South with the strongest winds left for Scotland while Southern areas though rather cloudy and damp will see some drier interludes in much less wind than previously. Near average temperatures look likely for all from ECM next week.


The GFS Ensembles show an oscillating pattern between the members suggesting a mobile pattern alternating between mild and wet weather with cooler and showery weather through the next few weeks. There is a more definitive dip in temperatures early next week, which proves short-lived when rainfall is at it's peak. Thereafter the rainfall will not be quite as pronounced in the South with some drier interludes in between the rain. Winds from most members ares shown to be fresh to strong for most of the UK for much of the run.


The Jet Stream shows the flow currently to the South of the UK moving North over the coming days to the UK where it continues to blow over in an oscillating fashion for the foreseeable future.


In Summary today the outook remains disturbed, often windy and potentially stormy for a short while. All models bring in some sort of disturbance early next week which ranges from a damaging storm to just a wave depression running East in the flow with no more than a band of wind and rain. Which is right is hard to call at the moment but the potential is there for something rather nasty and will need to be watched in future outputs as the time draws nearer. Outside of that there is plenty of wind, rain and showers for all and with the recent unseasonal warmth behind us we can all expect to feel colder without it ever being very cold. Some output suggests a rise of pressure to the SE which as always in these situations is possible and would send the Jet Stream further North along with the depressions to bring some dry and mild weather back across the SE at times. Having said that it is just one of several options we are likely to see in the output over the coming days as the very volatile situation over the Atlantic continues.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm 


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Polar Low
23 October 2013 08:21:02

Thanks Martin

Polar Low
23 October 2013 08:30:13

Perhaps navgm has this right this time


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgeme_cartes.php?&ech=120&mode=0&carte=0


sort of a half way house between both big opps


 


what concerns me a little is the trees are full loaded here with green and fully weighted its been very mild in the south east and not many leaves have fallen so would worry about quite a bit of tree lost I suspect strongest gust along the southern s and s/west flank.


gfs mean and gm mean dont really but it at the moment thou


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=120&mode=0&carte=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/cmc_cartes.php?code=21&ech=126&mode=0


 

Polar Low
23 October 2013 08:37:48

keep an eye on fax chart at that sort of time looks a little bit more disturbed


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm


 


 

ARTzeman
23 October 2013 08:56:15

Hope the bands do not get any narrower on the Fax chart...






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nsrobins
23 October 2013 09:01:07

Although there still appears to be some concensus for a 'daughter low' event on Monday, we are in the guess range and mean charts won't really be of any use.
The models are clearly reacting to the presence of a lot of energy and moisture in the central Atlantic and any subtle baroclinic disturbance could well result in the formation of a daughter low which would likley deepen rapidly and ride the jet west to east, with the UK in the firing line.
Past experience dictates that when the NWP picks up on a signal like this, some sort of significant storm will result but until the parameters can get into the fine grid algorithms (<48hrs) it's not worth being too fussy on track and intensity.


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