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tinybill
21 October 2013 19:39:52


GFS and GEM both serve up some incredibly volatile charts at differing times next week. Widespread Severe gales would be on offer should they verify.


One to watch. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


next  thing to worry about will be  flooding  next 2 weeks  look very wet  at  the   moment

Gusty
21 October 2013 19:42:12



GFS and GEM both serve up some incredibly volatile charts at differing times next week. Widespread Severe gales would be on offer should they verify.


One to watch. 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1741.png


Tight isobars , damaging winds


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


or this one Marcus ! 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


 


 


 


 


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Gusty
21 October 2013 19:46:08



GFS and GEM both serve up some incredibly volatile charts at differing times next week. Widespread Severe gales would be on offer should they verify.


One to watch. 


Originally Posted by: tinybill 


 


next  thing to worry about will be  flooding  next 2 weeks  look very wet  at  the   moment


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Indeed Tinybill. October is turning very wet now...75mm this month with a lot more to come..should verification of most models occur (except ECM of course).


Fortunately the last few months have been relatively dry..therefore groundwater isn't too high just yet. 


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Gooner
21 October 2013 19:48:12




GFS and GEM both serve up some incredibly volatile charts at differing times next week. Widespread Severe gales would be on offer should they verify.


One to watch. 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1741.png


Tight isobars , damaging winds


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


or this one Marcus ! 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


I hadn't looked at Gem , that would be damaging IMBY for sure


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


stormwatcher
21 October 2013 20:01:20
hi everyone was the 1987 storm pressure or isobar 950mb or 955mb. also did the storm come from a set up like the one we now or was it a single ex hurricane {sorry no pun intended to Michael fish}. could we be looking at a another storm like 1987. might be barking up the wrong tree
glenogle
21 October 2013 20:58:57

hi everyone was the 1987 storm pressure or isobar 950mb or 955mb. also did the storm come from a set up like the one we now or was it a single ex hurricane {sorry no pun intended to Michael fish}. could we be looking at a another storm like 1987. might be barking up the wrong tree

Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


 


Pass on 1987 but in Jan 2012 "Hurricane Bawbag" was quite windy and it gave me a minimum pressure of 954 when it passed over.


 


Edit - it appears it wasnt bawbag.  Must just have been a windy day.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Bawbag


UserPostedImage LLTNP 105m asl 
GIBBY
21 October 2013 22:13:12

hi everyone was the 1987 storm pressure or isobar 950mb or 955mb. also did the storm come from a set up like the one we now or was it a single ex hurricane {sorry no pun intended to Michael fish}. could we be looking at a another storm like 1987. might be barking up the wrong tree

Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


The storm of 1987 was formed from a setup not too dissimilar to that we have now with an explosive Loww pressure development formed by the mixing of unusually warm tropical air such as we have now meeting cold polar air moving South over the Eastern Atlantic, I recall the storm systems central pressure crossing SE England was around 960-965mbs in the early hours of that morning. The pattern bears no relation to the large storm systems shown next week to the North of the UK nor the one GEM shows crossing the South, the latter not having as warm tropical air mixed up around it. Nevertheless those that have stated there would be damaging winds are right should it evolve, 


Anyway here are some charts from that 1987 storm.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=15&month=10&year=1987&hour=0&map=1&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=15&month=10&year=1987&hour=12&map=1&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=16&month=10&year=1987&hour=0&map=1&mode=0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/archives/archives.php?day=16&month=10&year=1987&hour=12&map=1&mode=0


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stormwatcher
21 October 2013 23:16:46
hi Gibby and thx that should clam the member in kent (I forgot his name) that lived threw it and doesn't like strong winds and me .
Charmhills
22 October 2013 07:07:33

Very unsettled set of runs this morning.


Gales/severe gales, active frontal systems, squall lines the lot on offer.


Loughborough, EM.

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Gooner
22 October 2013 07:28:35


Very unsettled set of runs this morning.


Gales/severe gales, active frontal systems, squall lines the lot on offer.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Indeed , looks like Low after Low running across the UK


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gusty
22 October 2013 07:29:45

We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


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idj20
22 October 2013 07:34:10


We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Folkestone Harbour. 
some faraway beach
22 October 2013 08:16:25

Is it my imagination. or has GEM been modelling similarly deep lows over Britain for about a fortnight now?


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
GIBBY
22 October 2013 08:51:11

Good morning. Here is today's browse through the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Tuesday October 22nd 2013.


All models show a mild SSW airflow over the UK with Low pressure transferring slowly North and NE towards NW Britain. As a result unsettled conditions will prevail for all with heavy rain or showers across all areas today. Through the next few days things turn a little cooler as winds veer more Westerly but still with some heavy showers tomorrow in the North and West in particular. On Thursday a brief lull looks likely before further Low pressure tracks NE over the UK with renewed rain and wind late in the week. This then gives way to showers ahead of a strong Westerly flow that develops for the weekend with rain or showers for all and temperatures much less mild with values close to the seasonal average by then.


GFS then maintains very unsettled weather through the rest of it's run with next week particularly wet and maybe stormy for a time as an intense Low crosses the UK. The pattern calms down somewhat with regards to wind for a time before a renewed surge of Atlantic gales and rain in association with Low pressure to the North concludes the run. After the final few days of mildness is out of the way by the end of this week it looks like temperatures will fall to average thereafter and it is sure to feel much chillier than of late.


UKMO shows the start of next week as equally unsettled with a broad bank of Low pressure stretching from Scandinavia to Greenland on Monday with strong and unstable Westerly winds delivering rain and showers to all, some heavy. It will be noticeably colder than of late with temperatures close to or even just a little below or above average at times dependant of the origins of the air mass over the UK at the time.


GEM today continues to show the potential for some major storm systems crossing the UK next week with severe gales and heavy rain likely at times. A few brighter intervals would occur at times and temperatures will be much down on recent levels especially felt over the South.


NAVGEM too is very unsettled next week with Low pressure over or close to the North with a strong Westerly flow over all areas. Rain alternating with showers would be the order of the day and in the wind it will feel and be much colder than of late.


ECM keeps things very mobile next week with last night's phantom High pressure to the East as expected absent from the output today. Instead a very active Atlantic spawns some powerful Low pressure areas crossing to the North with spells of rain alternating with squally showers in gale force winds at times and temperatures close to the seasonal normal at best for all next week.


The GFS Ensembles show temperatures falling back over the next few days as the axis of winds change from West to East as opposed to SW to NE. The weather is shown by nearly all members to remain wet and windy for much of the period with some copious and heavy rain for all at times in a strong breeze. A few drier days are shown in between the rain bands but these look only very short-lived.


The Jet Stream which is currently blowing across the Atlantic over or to the South of the UK continues for a while longer before it moves ever so slightly North to the UK in general and occasionally Scotland but becomes very powerful spawning some very deep Low pressure areas close to Northern Britain next week with the resultant jet flow pulsating North then South ahead and behind weather systems.


In Summary today our prolonged period of very mild conditions is coming to an end. Over the next few days temperatures will begin to fall back towards average as the mild SW flow is replaced by a strong Westerly flow with a source at high latitudes over the North Atlantic. The weather is shown almost exclusively from all models to be often wet and very windy with severe gales possible next week should some of the output verify as intense areas of Low pressure cross over or to the North of the British Isles. Rainfall will be commonplace as a result, often heavy and prolonged and river catchment areas and low lying parts of the UK could become prone to cumulative flooding with time. With lower temperatures we have to begin to cater for the risk of snowfall on Scottish mountains at times though due to the strength of winds alone any significant frost anywhere looks very unlikely.


Transcript taken from:-http://www.norton-ra...is(2859336).htm


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stormwatcher
22 October 2013 08:57:37



We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


hi   sorry i forgot your name on the last page  . it look so intense that if it come off it might be the same has 1987 or burns night storm .so i with u .

Polar Low
22 October 2013 09:05:31

Classic gfs overpower from the opp mean below at same time dont worry about it!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


 


 





We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


hi   sorry i forgot your name on the last page  . it look so intense that if it come off it might be the same has 1987 or burns night storm .so i with u .


Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Polar Low
22 October 2013 09:13:36

ecm has massive confusion at that time with regard to energy  its postage stamps confirm that  at that time


http://www.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/catalog/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!156!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2013102200!!/


 


ecm mean at that time


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1681.html

Polar Low
22 October 2013 09:18:36

mild and wet continues now into Nov good agreement from both.


 


http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~fxg1/ECMWF_0z/hgtcomp.html

Polar Low
22 October 2013 09:25:13

Very Very wet to our s/w later on


http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


 


flooding very likely in the s/w if rates are true


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/accumulation-precipitations/156h.htm

idj20
22 October 2013 09:45:17


Classic gfs overpower from the opp mean below at same time dont worry about it!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


 


 





We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


 


hi   sorry i forgot your name on the last page  . it look so intense that if it come off it might be the same has 1987 or burns night storm .so i with u .


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 



The thing is; I take and value Steve's thoughts seriously and if anyone can spot something like this from miles away and comment on it, it'd be Steve and thus with that to mind, then I would be worried.
  Also, there does seem to be a general agreement across the board for this kind of thing to come off. Of course, I still hope there'll be downgrades but this is something I want to keep an eye on anyway.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Polar Low
22 October 2013 09:58:26

Ian, me to I take Steves comments very seriously his knowledge of the weather is much greater than that of mine and many on here my thoughts at the time were straight away that of classic gfs overpower as we all know,  but having said that the opp has been right before in front of all its members I guess we will have to wait and c.


 




Classic gfs overpower from the opp mean below at same time dont worry about it!!


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


 


 





We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


 


hi   sorry i forgot your name on the last page  . it look so intense that if it come off it might be the same has 1987 or burns night storm .so i with u .


Originally Posted by: stormwatcher 


Originally Posted by: idj20 



The thing is; I take and value Steve's thoughts seriously and if anyone can spot something like this from miles away and comment on it, it'd be Steve and thus with that to mind, then I would be worried.
  Also, there does seem to be a general agreement across the board for this kind of thing to come off. Of course, I still hope there'll be downgrades but this is something I want to keep an eye on anyway.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 

Gaz
  • Gaz
  • Advanced Member
22 October 2013 10:27:07



We need to be concentrating on next week, rather than chasing cold in FI.


Potentially damaging weather next week.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem1561.gif


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, I too have my eyes on that and is having the effect of making me nervous. This is one set up that I hope does get downgraded as we get nearer to the time.  


Originally Posted by: Gusty 




Snow is Damaging weather to me - MY POCKET.

Anyway, Yes, lets not look to far into FI, Somethimes I wish that it was a Premium Service,
perhaps they are missing out.


 


Look forward to what arrives next week - Stormy Weather Wise.


Gary, Torquay, Devon. 85 Meters / 279 Feet ASL


Thunderstorms in 2013: 28th September 3.30am - 8.00am Storm that lasted over 4 Hours
Thunderstorms in 2013: 17th June 6.30pm. bright Lightning out at sea - Deep Bass Thunder
Thunderstorms in 2012: 11th August 10:30pm. bright Lightning - Deep Bass Thunder
Thunderstorms in 2012: 28th June 2:00am From Spainish Plume. 5 sec lightning flashes
Thunderstorms (Flickering Lightning) in 2012: 26th May 2:30 From Spainish Plume





Rob K
22 October 2013 10:40:56

Next Monday doesn't look like a day to be taking the ferry out of Harwich 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1505.gif


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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ARTzeman
22 October 2013 10:58:04

It is a ramping rain output....






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