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Chiltern Blizzard
Monday, November 25, 2013 1:46:21 PM


Hang on a minute, bit of a dip showing in the GFS 06z ensembles after 4th December with only a handful of members not at least buying into something a little colder, something that was hinted at in discussion on this thread yesterday!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=314&ext=1&y=138&run=6&runpara=0


 


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Definitely a clustering towards colder 850 temps after this point.... Will be interesting to see if that continues as we get closer to this time.


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nsrobins
Monday, November 25, 2013 2:09:36 PM



Hang on a minute, bit of a dip showing in the GFS 06z ensembles after 4th December with only a handful of members not at least buying into something a little colder, something that was hinted at in discussion on this thread yesterday!


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/graphe_ens3.php?x=314&ext=1&y=138&run=6&runpara=0


 


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Definitely a clustering towards colder 850 temps after this point.... Will be interesting to see if that continues as we get closer to this time.


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 


Swings and roundabouts. I'm honestly really trying to find something remotely interesting on the horizon but I don't have Quantums unbridled enthusiasm I'm afraid and can't see anything other than statistical noise, except as you say the possibility of a clustering towards colder later next week.
Viewing those media links Kevin posted from this time in 2010 shows what a truely remarkable spell that was. If we can just get a week of those synoptics at some point before the end of February, I'd be more than happy.


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Hungry Tiger
Monday, November 25, 2013 2:23:34 PM



Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Thinking About January;


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Is it really that bad already Gav? 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



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Saint Snow
Monday, November 25, 2013 2:54:02 PM


Viewing those media links Kevin posted from this time in 2010 shows what a truely remarkable spell that was. If we can just get a week of those synoptics at some point before the end of February, I'd be more than happy.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


 


Bonus point if *that week* commenced on 21st December


 




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Essan
Monday, November 25, 2013 3:33:23 PM



Viewing those media links Kevin posted from this time in 2010 shows what a truely remarkable spell that was. If we can just get a week of those synoptics at some point before the end of February, I'd be more than happy.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Bonus point if *that week* commenced on 21st December


 



Originally Posted by: nsrobins 





But I bet it won't


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Arbroath 1320
Monday, November 25, 2013 4:51:40 PM
GFS 12Z FI showing a cold spell. A one off or a trendsetter?
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nsrobins
Monday, November 25, 2013 4:59:08 PM

GFS 12Z FI showing a cold spell. A one off or a trendsetter?

Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 


I wouldn't call it a 'cold spell', more an extension of the trend, especially by the control, to drop the lows further south and prolong the arctic incursions a bit.
What we need now is some warm air aloft getting further north on our west side.


Neil
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Arcus
Monday, November 25, 2013 5:25:45 PM
I think the Control has been showing this sort of more "slight more prolonged" cold snap scenario for the last few runs, now the Op has decided to have a go. We'll see how things shift around over the next few days.
Ben,
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Russwirral
Monday, November 25, 2013 6:05:44 PM
squish
Monday, November 25, 2013 6:33:12 PM
Quite a dip in the GEFS ensembles now around the 7-8 Dec

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

GEM and BOM have similarly interesting synoptics by days 8-10

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2013112512/gemnh-0-240.png?12 
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/bom/runs/2013112512/bomnh-0-240.png?12 




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moomin75
Monday, November 25, 2013 6:56:50 PM


Around the 7-8 December! That would be about right, as I fly out to Australia on 6th!!


That would be absolutely unbelieveable if that comes off as a cool-off the very day AFTER I leave the country!


Exactly the same as 2010!!!


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100m ASL
White Meadows
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:06:49 PM
ECM showing some signs of consistency for hp rise near/over Greenland to end the run.
Probably gfs over cooking things again but more coldies will come out of hibernation if the trend continues.
The Beast from the East
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:28:21 PM

certainly an improvement in the GFS ens, lets see if ECM also has more cold clustering when it comes out


 


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Hippydave
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:31:01 PM

Interesting set of ENS on the 12z GFS, as people have mentioned.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gefs/gefsens850London0.png


Quite unusual to see a decent cluster at that range. Be interesting to see if the trend is maintained or just an overplay by GFS which will get moderated or removed.


I like the HP forming over Greenland although not sure if this is just a surface feature or not? If not then assuming it did form GFS is usually over progressive on getting rid of HP blocks so could be really quite interesting. As it is 5-6 days of chilly/cold weather would have been a good result prior to 2009 & 2010....


ECM isn't a million miles from raising heights over Greenie - if it starts to develop this further tomorrow it'll get a little more interesting


Still as it's all FI definitely 'more runs needed' before ramping


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GIBBY
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:35:59 PM

Hi everyone. Here is tonight's report on the 12 noon outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday November 25th 2013.


All models tonight show High pressure still in control of our weather as it centre currently over NW Britain slipping further South and flattening out to allow a milder flow of winds from the North Atlantic to move down across the UK midweek. Then late in the week a cold front crosses all areas from the NW with a spell of rain, weakening as it moves SE across the UK to be followed by colder and breezier weather for the weekend with some wintry showers possible in the North and East and some frosts for all.


GFS then shows things turning milder soon into the new week with Westerly winds bringing cloudier skies once more. Through the middle and end of the week conditions deteriorate from the North as High pressure to the South finally dissolves away South. Things turn colder with some wintry showers for a time with some sharp frosts then as a transient ridge crosses West to East. The run ends with cloud and rain extending NE across the UK with milder air returning East over the South and west at least.

UKMO shows a very uninspiring chart for weather watchers in general as the large High to the SW is positioned such that a rather cloudy NW flow brings benign conditions with temperatures recovering to average again by Sunday.


GEM shows a steady deterioration in conditions next week as Low pressure gradually gains a stranglehold on conditions over the UK, moving down from the North. The end of the run for next Thursday shows strong to gale force WNW winds and heavy and frequent showers with hail, thunder and sleet and snow over Northern hills.


NAVGEM shows a mild WSW flow over the UK early next week as High pressure maintains it's position over France bringing mild and moist conditions with a lot of cloud across the UK.


ECM tonight shows a dry start to next week with fine and bright weather in the South while the North clouds over with a trough moving SE across the British Isles bringing a little rain which in turn is followed by a dip into much more unsettled weather with rain and strong SW winds sweeping East across Britain followed by sunshine and squally showers, wintry on hills by the second half of next week.


The GFS Ensembles show a tale of two halves tonight with Week 1 generally unexciting with High pressure cloudy based weather with average temperatures while Week 2 shows a strong trend now for the weather to turn colder and unsettled with rain at times with snow over the hills as a period of cold zonality looks likely to develop.


The Jet Stream shows the flow to the North of the UK with a plunge South of the flow over Britain on the weekend before a return to where we are now. Then later in the run it looks like the flow will trend towards a NW to SE axis across the UK as the weather turns more unsettled and chillier.


In Summary the weather still shows only slow changes over the coming week or so as the Azores High pressure remains displaced further NE close to SW Britain delivering an extended spell of dry and rather cloudy weather with a few brighter interludes with patchy frost and fog if these breaks occur overnight. A brief colder interlude is likely at the weekend with a few wintry showers in the North and East before milder weather returns once more. However, next week sees a steady change to more unsettled and windy weather moving down from the North and NW and while some models tend to exaggerate the severity of such changes a trend is well set that by the middle and end of next week a pattern change is most likely to have occurred and whilst it may not be a change to raging cold and blizzards a more unsettled and volatile pattern will offer something other than Anticyclone Gloom to talk about.


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Quantum
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:40:40 PM

I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
sriram
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:50:09 PM

just seen Gavin's update for christmas - mild and unsettled


and this continues into Jan as well - looks very poor for coldies - the Atlantic looks very strong


But if its any consolation dont forget that Xmas 1986 was also mild and unsettled - and we all know what happened after 10th Jan 1987


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John p
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:50:31 PM

I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



PMSL! As soon as the Synoptics *actually* start showing promise (as opposed to ramblings about Bearings), Quantum throws in the towel 🙂
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nouska
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:52:35 PM


I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I'm surprised by that, thought the NH pattern looked rather unusual in the low-res section. Normally the GFS tries to restore order and put the vortex back together again - to see the scatter of pieces spread around the Arctic - it is not something you normally see at T+384


http://images.meteociel.fr/im/176/gfsnh-0-384_uol5.png

snow 2004
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:57:13 PM

I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear.

Originally Posted by: John p 

PMSL! As soon as the Synoptics *actually* start showing promise (as opposed to ramblings about Bearings), Quantum throws in the towel :-)

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


 


I'm hoping Bearings doesn't become one of this winters buzzwords. Far too confusing for me to follow Looking at the models today I do wonder if they are on to something here. Would be good to have some decent snow before Christmas. Will be interesting to see what tonights runs show.


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Quantum
Monday, November 25, 2013 7:59:23 PM

I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear.

Originally Posted by: John p 

PMSL! As soon as the Synoptics *actually* start showing promise (as opposed to ramblings about Bearings), Quantum throws in the towel :-)

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I haven't thrown in the towel yet, I just expected to see more promising synoptics sooner. My main concern is that the models are starting to delay things. Still, if the models do start to show a cold spell explicitly then I will be happy. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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Monday, November 25, 2013 7:59:51 PM

I think I am going to hand in the towel unless something more direct turns up soon. Originally I said that I expected a cold spell somewhere between the end of november and the 7th of december. In the last couple of days or so there has been little progress, and I worry the models may be pushing the interesting synoptics back until they dissapear.

Originally Posted by: John p 



PMSL! As soon as the Synoptics *actually* start showing promise (as opposed to ramblings about Bearings), Quantum throws in the towel :-)

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



I made this point yesterday 😉


I don't see much to interest coldies either, though. Well, if we assume its snow that's the holy grail, which it must be. It's impossible that anyone can enjoy being cold for no reason.
White Meadows
Monday, November 25, 2013 8:02:36 PM

just seen Gavin's update for christmas - mild and unsettled
and this continues into Jan as well - looks very poor for coldies - the Atlantic looks very strong
But if its any consolation dont forget that Xmas 1986 was also mild and unsettled - and we all know what happened after 10th Jan 1987

Originally Posted by: sriram 



Shows some of us still expect a mild or very mild winter because we are 'due' one. They've remained rather meek about it the last week or so... Until the models flipped zonal again.
Personally I think some of the Atlantic based forecasts might be caught with their pants down later in December.
Arcus
Monday, November 25, 2013 9:01:14 PM
Ah, reverse psychology. Don't ya just love it?

There's no sign of anything more with regard to a cold spell than there was a couple of days ago. Equally, there's no sign of anything less, either. Plus c'est change, and all that...
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Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
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