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GIBBY
Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:50:12 PM

Good evening. Here is my slant on the latest report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday December 14th 2013.


All models show a very mixed spell of weather over the next 4-5 days. In essence there will be periods of rain for all in mostly mild conditions offset by an often strong SW wind, reaching gale or severe gale force at times towards the NW. On Monday and Tuesday a respite in conditions look likely across Southern Britain as High pressure moves quickly East close to the South of the UK with something of a ridge from it giving less windy and colder weather for a day or so. By midweek a new storm system to the NW will push troughs across the UK with strong winds bringing heavy rain to all with gales and severe gales over all areas once more.


GFS then shows a colder and showery period with some wintry showers over the higher hills before further spells of stormy and wet weather storms in from the West on occasion. It looks like Christmas will be a potentially stormy period with heavy rain or severe gales more likely to be newsworthy rather than snowfall, though Northern hills will see some of this at times as temperatures fall back slowly to average and maybe a little below at times.


UKMO tonight shows the end of next week with deep Low pressure out to the North and NW with a broad and strong SW flow across the UK. It would be becoming milder again after a colder showery few days before the end of the run. Fronts crossing NE would again bring heavy rain across all areas but most prolific in the North and West.


GEM tonight shows fast changing weather patterns with rain and strong winds at times with temperatures never far from normal offset by the strength of the wind at times.


NAVGEM shows a wet and very windy period to end next week and the weekend with strong to gale and locally severe gale winds at times with bouts of heavy rain and showers for all areas at times, wintry over Northern hills.


ECM tonight shows deeply unsettled and occasionally stormy conditions on the run up to Christmas with copious rainfall for all areas at times with the most volatile weather likely towards Christmas. Colder conditions could accompany this period too when some wintry showers with snow in places might occur in amongst the spells of rain in some places over the Christmas period despite winds from a Westerly source.


The GFS Ensembles tonight endorse universal support for a very volatile spell of winter weather to come. There is spells of heavy rain and severe gales with very low pressure readings at times later across the UK. Temperatures will become less mild with time and there will probably be some snow on hills though this will be far from the main talking point of the weather over the period overshadowed by the potential of damaging winds and heavy rain by most members.


The Jet Stream remains extremely powerful throughout the coming few weeks with it's position gradually moving further South over the UK and then to the South in week 2.


In Summary it's probably the most mobile and boisterous Atlantic pattern of weather we have seen for some years at this time of year with the prospect of a very windy and wet Christmas looking more and more likely day by day. While some colder air will be entrained in the strong airflow at times with some snowfall at times on Northern hills the main talking point at the end of the period should tonight's charts verify will be the amounts of rain and potentially damaging strong winds that could buffet the UK at times over the period. Interestingly there could also be some very low air pressure readings at times across the UK with some near record low level readings occurring over the UK at times.


Martin G
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Hungry Tiger
Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:56:13 PM


Good evening. Here is my slant on the latest report on the midday outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Saturday December 14th 2013.


All models show a very mixed spell of weather over the next 4-5 days. In essence there will be periods of rain for all in mostly mild conditions offset by an often strong SW wind, reaching gale or severe gale force at times towards the NW. On Monday and Tuesday a respite in conditions look likely across Southern Britain as High pressure moves quickly East close to the South of the UK with something of a ridge from it giving less windy and colder weather for a day or so. By midweek a new storm system to the NW will push troughs across the UK with strong winds bringing heavy rain to all with gales and severe gales over all areas once more.


GFS then shows a colder and showery period with some wintry showers over the higher hills before further spells of stormy and wet weather storms in from the West on occasion. It looks like Christmas will be a potentially stormy period with heavy rain or severe gales more likely to be newsworthy rather than snowfall, though Northern hills will see some of this at times as temperatures fall back slowly to average and maybe a little below at times.


UKMO tonight shows the end of next week with deep Low pressure out to the North and NW with a broad and strong SW flow across the UK. It would be becoming milder again after a colder showery few days before the end of the run. Fronts crossing NE would again bring heavy rain across all areas but most prolific in the North and West.


GEM tonight shows fast changing weather patterns with rain and strong winds at times with temperatures never far from normal offset by the strength of the wind at times.


NAVGEM shows a wet and very windy period to end next week and the weekend with strong to gale and locally severe gale winds at times with bouts of heavy rain and showers for all areas at times, wintry over Northern hills.


ECM tonight shows deeply unsettled and occasionally stormy conditions on the run up to Christmas with copious rainfall for all areas at times with the most volatile weather likely towards Christmas. Colder conditions could accompany this period too when some wintry showers with snow in places might occur in amongst the spells of rain in some places over the Christmas period despite winds from a Westerly source.


The GFS Ensembles tonight endorse universal support for a very volatile spell of winter weather to come. There is spells of heavy rain and severe gales with very low pressure readings at times later across the UK. Temperatures will become less mild with time and there will probably be some snow on hills though this will be far from the main talking point of the weather over the period overshadowed by the potential of damaging winds and heavy rain by most members.


The Jet Stream remains extremely powerful throughout the coming few weeks with it's position gradually moving further South over the UK and then to the South in week 2.


In Summary it's probably the most mobile and boisterous Atlantic pattern of weather we have seen for some years at this time of year with the prospect of a very windy and wet Christmas looking more and more likely day by day. While some colder air will be entrained in the strong airflow at times with some snowfall at times on Northern hills the main talking point at the end of the period should tonight's charts verify will be the amounts of rain and potentially damaging strong winds that could buffet the UK at times over the period. Interestingly there could also be some very low air pressure readings at times across the UK with some near record low level readings occurring over the UK at times.


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 



Nice post - well described as well. Indeed I've just looked at the forecast GFS and ECM charts myself. Without meaning to go off topic. I reckon if all this verifies then the pattern might then change to something quite different by January.


 


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
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Medlock Vale Weather
Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:07:53 PM

Sums up our climate too, unfortunately http://theoatmeal.com/blog/seattle_weather


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
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David M Porter
Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:26:39 PM


 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


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JOHN NI
Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:31:56 PM



 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


The prog for boxing day this year from the 1200 GFS operational appears to be an outlier in the ensemble. Not impossible and not the first time that particular scenario has been thrown up but rather less likely than other solutions...some of which admittedly are still deep lows. Interesting few weeks coming up nonetheless.


John.
The orange County of Armagh.
Hungry Tiger
Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:39:22 PM



 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



I remember that as well David. I believe that Xmas holiday was one of the stormiest ever. Indeed I think it would take one heck of a lot to beat that as well.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


Hungry Tiger
Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:41:47 PM




 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: JOHN NI 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


The prog for boxing day this year from the 1200 GFS operational appears to be an outlier in the ensemble. Not impossible and not the first time that particular scenario has been thrown up but rather less likely than other solutions...some of which admittedly are still deep lows. Interesting few weeks coming up nonetheless.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Good points - GFS I know likes it's "dartboard lows". But as we are entering an unsettled spell - I am taking their charts a bit more seriously wrt to these.


I think we will get some seriously rough weather this next 2 weeks.


 


Gavin S. FRmetS.
TWO Moderator.
Contact the TWO team - [email protected]
South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.


KevBrads1
Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:00:34 PM



 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



I remember that as well David. I believe that Xmas holiday was one of the stormiest ever. Indeed I think it would take one heck of a lot to beat that as well.


 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Christmas Eve 1997 was worse here than the Boxing Day 1998 storm, Northern France was battered in 1999
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Phil G
Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:29:37 PM
Numerous low pressure systems forecast to come near or through the country in the coming week.
Could be the south's turn on Sunday to make the news.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1802.png 
Gandalf The White
Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:15:36 AM

Numerous low pressure systems forecast to come near or through the country in the coming week.
Could be the south's turn on Sunday to make the news.
Originally Posted by: Phil G 

">http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1802.png


Quite a bit of snow around on the hills as well


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013121418/192-574UK.GIF?15-18


 


 


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Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:44:23 AM
Hi folks, with all this stormy yet mild weather knocking about the UK at the moment.... What is the warmest day recorded for a December day in the UK??
Cheers
VSC
AIMSIR
Sunday, December 15, 2013 2:25:34 AM



 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

I think remember that as Christmas eve.(Dublin)


We might have got that storm a bit earlier here?.


The first time I really thought I would be blown off my feet.


Loved every minute of it, I have to say.


 

Whether Idle
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:40:21 AM

Ahhhh.    So this is what model watching would have been like in 1987-88; and possibly 1988-9 - though I feel 87-88 a better analogue, FWIW.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
nsrobins
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:46:08 AM

Hi folks, with all this stormy yet mild weather knocking about the UK at the moment.... What is the warmest day recorded for a December day in the UK??
Cheers
VSC

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


 


Highest maximum = 18.3C (Achnashellac, Wester Ross, 2nd Dec, 1948)


Additional: Outlook remains unsettled


 


 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Rob K
Sunday, December 15, 2013 7:57:57 AM

In the longer term, more interesting signs of the PV becoming very disrupted indeed on GFS 00Z


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3241.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3242.png


 


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doctormog
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:03:07 AM
To be fair the weather outlook is far from boring at the moment. Conditions look to be notably unsettled at times and at some time points it appears it may even be quite wintry for a while in some locations (more so but not exclusively the NW)

Thursday is a good example of this. Unless I'm misreading this chart, because of pressure levels and thicknesses there is wintry potenial in northern parts on this chart (supported across the models)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png 
nsrobins
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:13:32 AM

To be fair the weather outlook is far from boring at the moment. Conditions look to be notably unsettled at times and at some time points it appears it may even be quite wintry for a while in some locations (more so I but nit exclusively the NW)

Thursday is a good example of this. Unless I'm misreading this chart, because of pressure levels and thicknesses there is wintry potenial in northern parts on this chart (supported across the models)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I don't think anyone is denying the potential for 'interesting' weather, both in terms of rain and wind and brief wintry stuff at elevation and further North, but it's typical December fayre and is not what many of us are looking for at this time of year.
At the moment.

If we are to get some widespread colder conditions with the chance of snow for many, based on current synoptics, it'll be quite a long wait.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
GIBBY
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:14:46 AM

Good morning. Here is the report on today's midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Sunday December 15th 2013.


All models continue to show a very changeable and often windy period over the next week with winds strong and from the SW for much of the time with a notable exception on Tuesday when winds will be much lighter and temperatures as a result less mild for a time. From soon after midweek all models show a particularly deep Low to the North of Scotland carry gale or severe gale SW or West winds across the UK with a band of squally rain followed by sunshine and squally showers through Thursday and Friday with some wintry showers over the hills in the North.


GFS then takes us through next weekend with a spell of milder and windy weather again with rain at times move swiftly NE across all areas in turn followed by slightly colder and showery weather once more as another Low moves East to the North of Scotland, and so the pattern continues over the Christmas period and in the run up to the New year. It may become very stormy over the latter part of Christmas and in the days that follow as intense depressions cross the heart of Britain with potential for storm force gusts giving local damage for a time. In additions the model shows rather colder conditions generally late on with some snowfall reaching low levels briefly in the North and the hills of the South too in the showery periods behind the depressions.


UKMO shows next weekend with Low pressure over Iceland and a broad, mild and strong SW flow across Britain with gales for many and spells of rain in all areas, especially but not exclusively in the North and West.


GEM today shows a mild weekend too next weekend as a broad SW flow carries troughs NE and delivers rain to all at times with temperatures well up to average if not above across the South for a time. Later the weather turns potentially stormy and somewhat colder towards Christmas with rain and gales alternating with wintry showers over Christmas itself.


NAVGEM also shows relatively mild weather next weekend but with a very strong SW wind with gales and rain at times for all as troughs pass over quickly in the flow. Some slightly colder and more showery weather could affect the North at times.


ECM maintains a very changeable run up to christmas with rain at times with strong winds and relatively mild weather for much of the time though the risk of short polar maritime incursions of air with wintry showers increases across the North at least as we move towards and over Christmas where wintry showers could occur as a result.


The GFS Ensembles this morning show compact agreement in temperature values at the 850 level very close to the long term average for the forseeable future. This indicates the odds of a white Christmas in any one place away from high ground is extremely remote with most places seeing rain and strong winds the main factors of the weather with average surface temperatures with little in the way of frost.


The Jet Stream continues to blow very strongly in a NE direction over the Atlantic and the UK currently in a somewhat sine wave pattern as Low pressure ebbs and flows towards the UK. Later the flow changes it's orientation to a more West to East flow which carries it deeper into Europe and allows the chance of polar maritime air to dig deeper down across the UK in Week 2.


In Summary the pattern remains locked as it is now for some considerable time. With deep Low pressure out to the North and NW there will be frequent bands of rain and strong winds for all with copious amounts of rain in places probably giving flooding issues in places before the end of the year. With winds never straying far from a West or SW direction there will be a lot of mild weather, especially across the South with little in the way of frost. However, incursions of cold polar maritime air will waft over Britain at times behind exiting depressions and this could deliver some upland snowfall at times especially later in the period. All in all though it's wind and rain that will make any weather headlines over the Christmas period rather than widespread disruption from snowfall with no real sign of a change in weather pattern in sight this side of the New Year.


Martin G
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Gooner
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:17:50 AM

To be fair the weather outlook is far from boring at the moment. Conditions look to be notably unsettled at times and at some time points it appears it may even be quite wintry for a while in some locations (more so I but nit exclusively the NW)

Thursday is a good example of this. Unless I'm misreading this chart, because of pressure levels and thicknesses there is wintry potenial in northern parts on this chart (supported across the models)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1081.png

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/15/basis00/ukuk/rart/13121906_2_1500.gif


 


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2013/12/15/basis00/ukuk/rart/13121912_2_1500.gif


Certainly wintry for parts of the North


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


roger63
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:26:40 AM



 


Boxing day looks rough.


http://www.jp2webdesign.co.uk/ds/gfs.htm


 


945 mb.


 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We've been battered by storms on Boxing Day once before Gavin; the evening of Boxing Day 1998 will live long in my memory for the sheer strength of wind we had that night.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Xmas day ensembles ( GEFS 0H)have switched over the last 3 days from amajority being SW zonal to majority W zonal.Not only W  Zonal but vstormy conditions with nvery low presure close to the UL on around a quarter of members.The strong zonal flow has pushed HP far to the east.


There are signs at the end of FI of some colder menbers appearing but currently 80% still zonal 

Gooner
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:28:43 AM

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.png


This looks rough for many , a VERY unsettled spell on the way for sure


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Maunder Minimum
Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:50:54 AM


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.png


This looks rough for many , a VERY unsettled spell on the way for sure


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


If we were very fortunate, that could even have a decent wintry mix in it. I really envy the US and the way it can get deep depressions dumping megatons of snow.


New world order coming.
Jiries
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:27:31 AM



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3001.png


This looks rough for many , a VERY unsettled spell on the way for sure


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


If we were very fortunate, that could even have a decent wintry mix in it. I really envy the US and the way it can get deep depressions dumping megatons of snow.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes and curious how US people have so many memories of snow storms when us only few in our memory.   For London ensembles look like sine wave type zonal weather as Retron used to say it.  It hard to use USA ensembles after 3 days as they have extremely wide swings so no idea how it will pan out.  It looking like staying cold through Xmas that keeping UK in a average side with slight mildness and tad cooler with lot of wet weather.

Matty H
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:57:55 AM
I'm naturally elated at the total lack of any cold for my area in the foreseeable. I'm not nearly so elated at the way we seem to be heading smack into a period of very unsettled weather. Flooding risk would reemerge for prone areas.
JACKO4EVER
Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:59:34 AM

I'm naturally elated at the total lack of any cold for my area in the foreseeable. I'm not nearly so elated at the way we seem to be heading smack into a period of very unsettled weather. Flooding risk would reemerge for prone areas.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


My thoughts entirely- this could be a very serious period of stormy weather indeed.

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