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13 July 2014 22:30:15



Messi gets  player of the world cup award  - what a joke. I presume he got that to keep the sponsors happy 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Absolute joke - the winkfest over Messi has been stopped in its tracks. He has yet to achieve what Pele and Maradona have achieved at the World Cup.


Originally Posted by: pnepaul 


Completely agree. There are many players who should have won that ahead of Messi. What a farcical decision.


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SEMerc
13 July 2014 23:01:52

I'll tip my hat to the Brazilians for organising a great tournament. Great atmosphere unlike South Africa with those stupid vivivulvas or whatever the feck they were called.


Depressingly, the next two tournaments are likely to be utterly soulless affairs, typified by the nations in which they are being held.

Matty H
13 July 2014 23:13:50

I'll tip my hat to the Brazilians for organising a great tournament. Great atmosphere unlike South Africa with those stupid vivivulvas or whatever the feck they were called.


Depressingly, the next two tournaments are likely to be utterly soulless affairs, typified by the nations in which they are being held.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Wales and Australia 😕
SydneyonTees
13 July 2014 23:54:17


What this entire tournament has shown is that whoever Artzeman backs, inevitably loses. The man is a total and utter Jonah. I'm hoping he's backing the Argies for the final. I can't see anything other than a Germany win.

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


Both the Argies and the Krauts are strong in defense. It won't be as dirty as the 1990 final but it could be as sterile. Germany will win it and probably win it with the usual Tuetonic efficiency 1-0, or it will be 0-0 after 120 mins and Germany will win the penna shoot out.


Or Germany could turn it on again and smash the goals, but Argentina are just a little bit better organised at the back than Brazil. I think my work 5 a side team is better organised at the back than Brazil!


Either way the end result should be a German win. (unless the Germany that played Ghana or Algeria turns up).


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


And so my prediction of a 1-0 Germany victory came to pass, perhaps not in the circumstances I expected as I expected better defense and less opportunities from both side.


However no shot on target from the Argies, first time in a final since Argentina in 1990.


You have to respect the way Germany deal with tournaments. First world cup since 1990 but they always give a good show of themselves and are at the business end of a competition.


Why can't England replicate what Germany do / have been doing for so many years. Is what they dod in the background and in the bundeslega so different to the prem?


 


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/germany/10962088/World-Cup-2014-Why-selfish-England-must-learn-from-selfless-Germany.html

SydneyonTees
13 July 2014 23:55:22


I'll tip my hat to the Brazilians for organising a great tournament. Great atmosphere unlike South Africa with those stupid vivivulvas or whatever the feck they were called.


Depressingly, the next two tournaments are likely to be utterly soulless affairs, typified by the nations in which they are being held.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Wales and Australia Confused

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


ha ha

SEMerc
bowser
14 July 2014 06:12:27


Messi gets player of the world cup award - what a joke. I presume he got that to keep the sponsors happyUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Absolute joke - the winkfest over Messi has been stopped in its tracks. He has yet to achieve what Pele and Maradona have achieved at the World Cup.
He probably has one tournament left and I think he'll be blubbing after that one because I can see this Germany side repeating tonight's win.
The best team fittingly won this tournament.

Originally Posted by: pnepaul 



Mueller for me. Handful throughout. Neuer has also been outstanding.
haghir22
14 July 2014 07:31:37

Messi gets player of the world cup award - what a joke. I presume he got that to keep the sponsors happyUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: bowser 

Absolute joke - the winkfest over Messi has been stopped in its tracks. He has yet to achieve what Pele and Maradona have achieved at the World Cup. He probably has one tournament left and I think he'll be blubbing after that one because I can see this Germany side repeating tonight's win. The best team fittingly won this tournament.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Mueller for me. Handful throughout. Neuer has also been outstanding.

Originally Posted by: pnepaul 


Rodriguez or Neuer for me.


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ARTzeman
14 July 2014 07:32:10

Messy Messi  no goal scored.  Enjoyed the match.. No shoot out to go through. Well done for the German team. 






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Saint Snow
14 July 2014 08:45:50

The Gaucho Grill dream dies... Bugger 



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David M Porter
14 July 2014 09:07:37

Well done to the Germans; they were the best team in the tournament and deserved to win it last night. That said, it could have been a different story if the Argies had taken some of the chances that came their way, especially early on. At least they made a game of it last night, unlike their biggest rivals last Tuesday!


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David M Porter
14 July 2014 09:15:40


I'll tip my hat to the Brazilians for organising a great tournament. Great atmosphere unlike South Africa with those stupid vivivulvas or whatever the feck they were called.


Depressingly, the next two tournaments are likely to be utterly soulless affairs, typified by the nations in which they are being held.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I think that sooner or later, FIFA will have to backtrack on Qatar hosting the 2022 tournament. There is no way on earth it can be played in that country in the summertime (far too hot), and moving it to the winter would cause far too much disruption to the domestic season, both in this country and around Europe, not to metion the likes of the Champions League as well.


Personally, I think England should get the 2022 World Cup.


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pnepaul
14 July 2014 09:34:54

A question for those who know more about football than I do.


Is Lional Messi one of those players who is great at club level, but not good enough when it comes to the international stage ??


For what its worth I think he does fall into that category. 

SEMerc
14 July 2014 10:02:09

Messi gets player of the world cup award - what a joke. I presume he got that to keep the sponsors happyUserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: bowser 

Absolute joke - the winkfest over Messi has been stopped in its tracks. He has yet to achieve what Pele and Maradona have achieved at the World Cup. He probably has one tournament left and I think he'll be blubbing after that one because I can see this Germany side repeating tonight's win. The best team fittingly won this tournament.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 

Mueller for me. Handful throughout. Neuer has also been outstanding.

Originally Posted by: pnepaul 


Has to be Neuer or Rodriguez.


Rodriguez is going to become a world class player over the next couple of years if he isn't there already.

Saint Snow
14 July 2014 11:10:18


A question for those who know more about football than I do.


Is Lional Messi one of those players who is great at club level, but not good enough when it comes to the international stage ??


For what its worth I think he does fall into that category. 


Originally Posted by: pnepaul 


 


Well he's put in some brilliant performances right at the very top club level, so I don't think it's a case of him not being good enough.


I think he's been struggling for months to consistently reach anything like his best form. Is there an underlying injury? Sometimes something relatively trivial can rob a player of that little extra bit of ability that made them special - look at Torres.


And maybe the particular style deployed at Barca is so ingrained in him, he finds it difficult to adapt to a different system, such as that played by Argentina (which, of course, you would expect the very best players to be able to adjust to)



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Saint Snow
14 July 2014 11:11:20

To add, one thing is for certain, it's a joke for him to be named player of the world cup.


 



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The Beast from the East
14 July 2014 11:46:22


To add, one thing is for certain, it's a joke for him to be named player of the world cup.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Agreed. As mentioned, probably to keep the coporate lobby happy


Higuan will forever regret missing that easy chance early in the game. I think he just rushed it.


Glad the Argies didnt win, they would have been the most undeserving  Champions ever


 


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Brian Gaze
14 July 2014 12:19:22

To add, one thing is for certain, it's a joke for him to be named player of the world cup.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Farcical. I always laugh at the 'players being out of position' argument. I'm no expert, but I've always thought part of being a great is to be adaptive and to fit in with the style of the team.
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Saint Snow
14 July 2014 13:03:18

To add, one thing is for certain, it's a joke for him to be named player of the world cup.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Farcical. I always laugh at the 'players being out of position' argument. I'm no expert, but I've always thought part of being a great is to be adaptive and to fit in with the style of the team.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Which point I did make.



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David M Porter
14 July 2014 19:39:17

What did everyone make of the tournament overall? Did you think it was the best, or one of the best ever as claimed by some sections of the media? For me it was the best one since the World Cup was expanded to 32 teams & 64 games for France '98, but I'd only put it as high as equal with 1994 in terms of quality. Mexico '86 is still the best World Cup I've watched.


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David M Porter
14 July 2014 19:41:31



To add, one thing is for certain, it's a joke for him to be named player of the world cup.


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Agreed. As mentioned, probably to keep the coporate lobby happy


Higuan will forever regret missing that easy chance early in the game. I think he just rushed it.


Glad the Argies didnt win, they would have been the most undeserving  Champions ever


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I agree. They would also have been underserving champions IMO had they won the Italia '90 final against the Germans, even more so than had they won last night.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Medlock Vale Weather
14 July 2014 19:58:28


What did everyone make of the tournament overall? Did you think it was the best, or one of the best ever as claimed by some sections of the media? For me it was the best one since the World Cup was expanded to 32 teams & 64 games for France '98, but I'd only put it as high as equal with 1994 in terms of quality. Mexico '86 is still the best World Cup I've watched.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


I thoroughly enjoyed the World Cup - great matches especially in the group stage, loads of great goals and plenty of attacking football. I agree in that it's been the best World Cup since USA 94. Hopefully Russia 2018 will be good too. A while to wait yet but I remember thinking that after the World Cup in South Africa, here we are 4 years later and Brazil 2014 is finished!


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haghir22
14 July 2014 20:46:06

For those of us that missed '66, do you think you will see England ....


a) Host a world cup


b) Win a world cup


c) Win a Euro championship


...during your lifetime?


YNWA
bowser
14 July 2014 21:02:31
A only!
David M Porter
14 July 2014 21:30:21



What did everyone make of the tournament overall? Did you think it was the best, or one of the best ever as claimed by some sections of the media? For me it was the best one since the World Cup was expanded to 32 teams & 64 games for France '98, but I'd only put it as high as equal with 1994 in terms of quality. Mexico '86 is still the best World Cup I've watched.


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


I thoroughly enjoyed the World Cup - great matches especially in the group stage, loads of great goals and plenty of attacking football. I agree in that it's been the best World Cup since USA 94. Hopefully Russia 2018 will be good too. A while to wait yet but I remember thinking that after the World Cup in South Africa, here we are 4 years later and Brazil 2014 is finished!


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 



Scary to think that I've now seen 8 World Cups. It doesn't seem that long in some ways since I watched the highlights on World Cup Grandstand (remember it?) as a 6 year old of the opening match in 1986 between Italy and Bulgaria. Seems incredible to think that is now 28 years ago.


 


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