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23 July 2014 22:43:02

On we go...


Nick
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
23 July 2014 23:48:15
Of Course, ahem not off course eh, on top of my mind I can say.

There appears to be uncertainty in the GFS and UKMO Models be it in summer or in winter. What we are seeing is it will of course pattern out 48 hours more of total sunny high dominance for UK, but then growing pattern esteem that brings risk of heavy and THUNDERY Showers on Saturday and Sunday- and then a West UK Or SW of UK dry sunny High with Low P and winds plus some SHOWER with cooler air in the Northeast and the East SE UK side.

Tuesday UK Azores High but Iceland Low heads into NW and N UK second half of day!.

Met Office has 27 deg C tops in London and I suggest light winds and partly cloudy skies plus no threat of showers but they may be isolated scattering about, heavy and thundery ones for NE Ireland W and SW Scotland and NW N England as on the Saturday NW winds and Low becomes slow moving even on Sunday and Monday- I am still not clearly clear on the outcome but this period looks clear cut, you never know it can change and surprise us.

Forecasting High Pressure in a lazy weather pattern becomes ever more wobbly and moving SW, West then East and NE and all this at the same time as Low pressure areas are going all the way around Them and with spread out Low pressure that tends to allow the colder air in Greenland and Arctic to our North and some cold Low pressure develop over Svalbard from NW winds straight blowing from Central Arctic this Coming Sunday to Tuesday, that we see our Azores High move over to UK Monday West side UK then across us by Tuesday then Tuesday afternoon SE tracking Iceland Low to N. Ireland and Scotland SE wards later is looking like that our current very warm and sunny Summer will be fading to Autumnal Low's affecting us with heavy showers and NW winds quite often I mean this Saturday - Sunday part of Monday for part of the UK except Western parts, the unsettled comes after High ridge UK Tuesday this pattern is very tentative and more like 2009 to me!!!.

They are expecting a Weak to Moderate El Niño and I have also seen a lot of weather systems in Equatorial West Pacific SE china Tyhpoons and a Low number of Atlantic SE USA Hurricanes- the Central USA between North and South America is much less prone to Hirricanes or typhoons so far this year than we have seen last year.

And an Ecuador Volcanic Eruption also is expected to happen they we're watching it has severe Earthquake Swarms- that was yesterday's news.

The Cooler N Atlantic SST's are affecting our weather, less Hirricanes on the SE USA Caribbean side are also anticipated this year and I have seen this is evident in and has been in June and July this year, one Hurricane went up across E USA a few weeks ago.

The weak to Moderate El Niño they say looks much like that we had in 2009/10, I hear that some parts of Pakistan and India have seen lower than normal by 50% Monsoon rains, but I see some night thunderstorms in Pakistan that then give way to widespread daytime hot and sunny weather but the temperatures are certainly much nearer their normal values there, and there is often Heavy Thundery rain showers in Central India S and NE India at times this July!!.

Some more Joy people, that SW and NW Central India Thundery rain storm I checked yesterday and today looks like readily now or will soon be giving Karachi S Pakistan much needed rain.

The El Niño weak/ Moderate is also keeping the drought in California ongoing and I look at the Conditons in Pacific USA and N Atlantic I have been doing that for at least 3 weeks now, it appears that the long Trailing waves of wind and showers or rain belts are less prevalent in some parts of USA N America I see Low Pressure that is affecting N NE Central parts, NW USA and Central S USA at times with some T storm weather SE USA but it appears lessened with more potent thicker clouds in Western N Atlantic from E and NE USA at times that I see is affecting us as well.

SE Asia Monsoon more potent in Thailand and SE China also has the hallmarks of the Weak- Moderate El Niño Event that we are seeing this year.

What also is amazing is that N and NE Pacific In June and July I seen- ares of wavy rain clouds that appear narrow to medium width, and they indicate only Weak to Moderate Rain making Low Pressures and those are propagated across the USA, but there is a colder Central Greenland with High pressure and clearer skies at times there.

This summer the NE Central N Europe Low Pressure in June was taken over by large and very warm High Pressure and there has always been near or slightly above normal Temperatures and some Thundery showers in E Europe SE Europe through this June and July.

We have had a very mixed and very warm summer but it does appear similar to that of 2009 but actually I think it was often dry and sunny very warm but it had also a fair amount of Thundery showers even in London, and some regular cool winds breezes and lower pressure in between areas of a good couple of High Pressure days that we have had.

This coming winter according to me could be a real kinder surprise, and the next week next 7 days outcome and the pattern we have had this June and July is easily favouring our favourite gossip winter weather come November and December - I think if Global Temperatures remain stable and not rise too quickly and we see a slow down of Greenhouse Gas Emissions and a few more large Volcanic Eruptions and a Quiet Solar Sun in some months we are seeing quiet sun this Juky- same happened last year - I really think that the coming November to February could this time shift the Polar Vortex our way and we get our NW SE tracking wavy Colder Jetstream - A weak to moderate El Niño will also support this result.
Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Whether Idle
24 July 2014 04:32:24

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014072400/UW144-21.GIF?24-06


Met O has strengthened the Azores ridge comapred to yesterdays 12z


GFS/GEM  want to go cyclonic.


I await the ECM with interest, it has been the leader this summer.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
24 July 2014 06:02:09

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/runs/2014072400/UW144-21.GIF?24-06 
Met O has strengthened the Azores ridge comapred to yesterdays 12z
GFS/GEM want to go cyclonic.
I await the ECM with interest, it has been the leader this summer.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Yes I have noticed that as well, but the GFS has done the same with it this ripple bump and push effect is common as the Azores High gets itself back in, the Iceland Low next destination is still pushed away from UK, what a difference 24 hours makes.

But the advantage the GFS and UKMO have is that they now bring cool Low Pressure across us with NW and North winds on Sunday and Monday so that will bring some showers and relief from warm nights and very warm hot sunny days.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gusty
24 July 2014 06:26:05

Good agreement now for a marked cool down (compared to what we have now) from the weekend onwards with cooler northerly air being ushered in on showery troughs at times. Despite the cool down and less settled theme temperatures away from some eastern coasts will never be too far from average and no doubt some parts of the SW will continue, for a while at least, to experience generally above average temperatures and more in the way of sunshine.


What will be welcomed is some cooler and fresher nights.


Longer term, who knows ? We are in holiday season now and many of us will be hoping that the Azores High will nudge in to push these pesky north sea features further east.


The output over the next couple of days will be crucial in dictating how the weather plays out in the first crucial two weeks of the summer holidays proper. It is also worth mentioning that on the face of some longer term output the weather conditions in the UK as a whole has the potential to go horribly wrong too with sliding lows over-riding the UK on a declining Azores High.


 


 


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cultman1
24 July 2014 07:18:45
Looking at today's output so far and comments in this column is the projected cool down from Monday likely to be permanent (i.e. for at least a week or more) countrywide or is it the opinion here that the Azores high will reload at some point during next week? Only yesterday the warm conditions were set to continue after the weekend blip but now maybe a longer term marked change? comments welcome...
GIBBY
24 July 2014 07:18:53

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 24TH 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. High pressure lies to the NE of the UK with a light Easterly flow across the UK.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Steadily becoming somewhat cooler with the chance of some rain at times, chiefly in the North.


GFS The GFS operational this morning shows cooler conditions spreading SE across Britain at the beginning of next week as a trough slips down across the UK with cloudier weather and a little rain in places. This then is maintained throughout the rest of the run with Low pressure becoming slowly more and more dominant with shallow centres close to or over the UK delivering some heavy showers and outbreaks of rain under temperatures returning closer to or just a little above average in any sunny spells in between the showers. The Ensembles today are somewhat slower in delivering this change especially to Southern areas where a ridge remains close by just to the South for some considerable time. However, if not much rainfall temperatures will fall back to more modest levels just above average even here with time as winds shift to a point between North and West.


UKMO UKMO this morning shows cooler air slipping South down across all areas on Monday with some rain or showers for a time in the NE. Following on will be a lot of dry and bright weather as High pressure to the SW is shown to hold sway for most though it is unlikely to be as warm or as sunny as of late by midweek.


GEM The GEM operational too shows winds swinging to a point between West and North next week with fresher conditions developing for all and this coupled with a lot more cloud than of late. The best conditions will then be in the SE where a lot of dry, bright weather is still likely but with increasing amounts of Atlantic low pressure and stronger West winds over the North outbreaks of rain or showers are shown to become more common by the end of the run for most.


NAVGEM NAVGEM holds a High pressure ridge close to or over the South from the Azores High at the end of this run maintaining fine, dry and reasonably warm weather across the South. Fresher air is shown to slip South over the UK beforehand capping the high temperatures of late considerably especially in the North where Atlantic Westerly winds establish to bring occasional rain later next week.


ECM The ECM operational also brings cooler conditions South across the UK next week. A lot of dry weather will still remain as no definitive pressure system gains overall control with slack pressure gradients likely to deliver a return to the weather of several weeks ago i.e. a heady mix of sunny spells and thundery showers with time and in any sunshine it could still feel very warm especially over the South.


MY THOUGHTS  The models seem fairly conident that the UK will experience a fall off in temperatures from very early next week as cooler air is filtered South and East across the UK around High pressure to the SW. That's not to say that things will turn wet as many areas would continue to see a lot of dry and bright weather with more comfortable fresher temperatures than of late. Having said that all models indicate at least the chance of some rain or showers with time as Low pressure is trended to slowly become more dominant over the North and if things develop as per GFS then temperatures would fall back to average for all with rain at times in a much stronger westerly breeze. However, my own thoughts are that ECM could be closer to the mark with a lot of dry and bright weather still around for many in slack pressure and winds with heavy showers here and there and temperatures still a shade on the warm side, especially over the South. So in summary I feel the recent very high temperatures are likely to come to an end this weekend but that does not indicate a fall back into cool and unsettled weather on a widespread scale with plenty of fine, warm and benign conditions still likely tempered by the occasional shower much more likely.


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Matty H
24 July 2014 07:22:18

Good agreement now for a marked cool down (compared to what we have now) from the weekend onwards with cooler northerly air being ushered in on showery troughs at times. Despite the cool down and less settled theme temperatures away from some eastern coasts will never be too far from average and no doubt some parts of the SW will continue, for a while at least, to experience generally above average temperatures and more in the way of sunshine.
What will be welcomed is some cooler and fresher nights.
Longer term, who knows ? We are in holiday season now and many of us will be hoping that the Azores High will nudge in to push these pesky north sea features further east.
The output over the next couple of days will be crucial in dictating how the weather plays out in the first crucial two weeks of the summer holidays proper. It is also worth mentioning that on the face of some longer term output the weather conditions in the UK as a whole has the potential to go horribly wrong too with sliding lows over-riding the UK on a declining Azores High.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Good analysis. I have to say I'm not at all impressed with any of the output this morning. ECM in particular highlights potential horror shows as Gusty mentions above.

Not awful in the next week to ten days for most, but not what many have been experiencing this past week or so.

Probably worth noting there's nothing overly wet in the outlook for most.
Scandy 1050 MB
24 July 2014 07:25:39

Good agreement now for a marked cool down (compared to what we have now) from the weekend onwards with cooler northerly air being ushered in on showery troughs at times. Despite the cool down and less settled theme temperatures away from some eastern coasts will never be too far from average and no doubt some parts of the SW will continue, for a while at least, to experience generally above average temperatures and more in the way of sunshine. What will be welcomed is some cooler and fresher nights. Longer term, who knows ? We are in holiday season now and many of us will be hoping that the Azores High will nudge in to push these pesky north sea features further east. The output over the next couple of days will be crucial in dictating how the weather plays out in the first crucial two weeks of the summer holidays proper. It is also worth mentioning that on the face of some longer term output the weather conditions in the UK as a whole has the potential to go horribly wrong too with sliding lows over-riding the UK on a declining Azores High.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Good analysis. I have to say I'm not at all impressed with any of the output this morning. ECM in particular highlights potential horror shows as Gusty mentions above. Not awful in the next week to ten days for most, but not what many have been experiencing this past week or so. Probably worth noting there's nothing overly wet in the outlook for most.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Fantastic output for some of us who live down in the SE, if you have to work hot stuffy nights are not good - something more akin to June's 'goldilocks' weather would be good where it wasn't too cool and wet and not too hot and stuffy either. No sign of any 2012 summer output for early August this morning though, just something a bit more normal for the UK it looks to me. However pinch of salt required as the output keeps switching between maintaining the heat and then cooling it down for next week, as ever more runs needed.

Charmhills
24 July 2014 08:52:14


Good agreement now for a marked cool down (compared to what we have now) from the weekend onwards with cooler northerly air being ushered in on showery troughs at times. Despite the cool down and less settled theme temperatures away from some eastern coasts will never be too far from average and no doubt some parts of the SW will continue, for a while at least, to experience generally above average temperatures and more in the way of sunshine.


What will be welcomed is some cooler and fresher nights.


Longer term, who knows ? We are in holiday season now and many of us will be hoping that the Azores High will nudge in to push these pesky north sea features further east.


The output over the next couple of days will be crucial in dictating how the weather plays out in the first crucial two weeks of the summer holidays proper. It is also worth mentioning that on the face of some longer term output the weather conditions in the UK as a whole has the potential to go horribly wrong too with sliding lows over-riding the UK on a declining Azores High.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Good summary Steve.


Something cooler and fresher would be welcome especially by night.


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Whether Idle
24 July 2014 09:26:39


 


Fantastic output for some of us who live down in the SE, if you have to work hot stuffy nights are not good - something more akin to June's 'goldilocks' weather would be good where it wasn't too cool and wet and not too hot and stuffy either. No sign of any 2012 summer output for early August this morning though, just something a bit more normal for the UK it looks to me. However pinch of salt required as the output keeps switching between maintaining the heat and then cooling it down for next week, as ever more runs needed.


Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


The GFS shows itself to be very much an outlier in its further stages in terms of sea level pressure:


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2014072400/graphe4_1000_355.44000244140625_162.27999877929687___.gif


  Indeed, the spread of uncertainty from day 3 is remarkable.


 


I notice the ECM 0z keeps the +10c 850 line never too far from the SE even out to day 10...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
briggsy6
24 July 2014 10:15:47

A cooler, fresher period will be welcomed by many including those who work in offices without air conditioning, tube travellers & prisoners in our ridiculously overcrowded jails.


Location: Uxbridge
sizzle
24 July 2014 11:02:48

im GAGGING for cooler. 

picturesareme
24 July 2014 11:09:31
Not liking the prospects of slightly cooler weather to come! :-(

I've somewhat acclimatised to this fine very warm summer weather.
ARTzeman
24 July 2014 11:17:09

Output dry is good enough Even cooler is  still okay......






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warrenb
24 July 2014 11:18:30
Looking forward to the slightly cooler weather, don't forget the uppers may drop but with slack wind and strong sun it is still going to feel nice and warm.
Gavin P
24 July 2014 14:02:24

Hi all,


Here's my latest video update:


A little cooler next week, but still decent weather


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Difficult one to get across today, because temps look like dropping and it may become a little more unsettled, but overall I think next week is still going to be pretty much OK (away from Scotland, maybe)


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Whether Idle
24 July 2014 14:08:51

Not liking the prospects of slightly cooler weather to come! :-(

I've somewhat acclimatised to this fine very warm summer weather.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Sheesh! Down by Southampton, Solent etc you will still be gathering in 25 c maxes right up to Monday. It's about that here today and frankly, it's quite enough!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
bledur
24 July 2014 15:04:49

Just looked at various forecasts for august and the general agreement is for more unsettled, most of the rain in the south and east and with winds from a n.e quarter average or slightly below temps .

picturesareme
24 July 2014 15:32:50

Not liking the prospects of slightly cooler weather to come! 😞 I've somewhat acclimatised to this fine very warm summer weather.

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

Sheesh! Down by Southampton, Solent etc you will still be gathering in 25 c maxes right up to Monday. It's about that here today and frankly, it's quite enough!

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Still its a good 5 degrees or more cooler then what we have been getting used to 


 


24-25C just standard warm (mid) summer's day stuff. 

cultman1
24 July 2014 16:00:25
Bledur where did you get those forecasts from for the SE?? NO one else is indicating this??
Matty H
24 July 2014 16:16:54
A couple of days ago next week looked like a heat reload.

No one has a clue what August has in store
Gusty
24 July 2014 16:34:01

Bledur where did you get those forecasts from for the SE?? NO one else is indicating this??

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


This is the Met Offices long term stab at the outlook.


Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days


UK Outlook for Tuesday 29 Jul 2014 to Thursday 7 Aug 2014:


The largely fine and dry weather is expected to continue across most parts of the UK initially, although in the north an area of weakening and fragmenting rain is expected to move slowly southeastwards through Tuesday. It will remain warm or very warm for many, although sea breezes should keep some coastal parts a little fresher. During next week, lengthy periods of fine, dry and warm weather are likely, mainly over southern and southwestern areas, but occasional rain and brisk winds often affecting northern parts with temperatures here returning closer to average. The last part of this period should be similar, although there are indications that the more unsettled weather in the north may extend further towards the south.


UK Outlook for Friday 8 Aug 2014 to Friday 22 Aug 2014:


The generally unsettled conditions look set to continue through the start of this period. However, towards the north, there will be more in the way of cloud and sporadic outbreaks of rain, while the best of the drier, brighter spells will be in the south and east. Temperatures should remain above average for southeastern parts initially, but returning to near normal later. A return to more settled conditions in the south is looking likely towards the end of the period.


Issued at: 1700 on Thu 24 Jul 2014


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Matty H
24 July 2014 17:20:30
Laughable how the word 'likely' can be used in a forecast for a month away.
Medlock Vale Weather
24 July 2014 18:58:05

Certainly looks like it will turn cooler for all of us, but nothing overly unsettled yet, in any sunshine it would still feel pleasant as the early August sun still has some kick to it.


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014072412/ECM0-216.GIF?24-0


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2014072412/ECM1-216.GIF?24-0


 


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