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Col
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06 June 2015 07:59:43

Thanks Gibby.
Frustrating times for TWO followers with the models flipping from changeable to settled patterns and back again. If only the jet stream could move north on a more permanent basis ......

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


 


I'm beginning to get a sense of deja-vu here, every time things appear 'nailed on' the picture falls off the wall!


Hopefully this time it really will be just a 'blip'.


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
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bledur
06 June 2015 08:10:29


 


 


I'm beginning to get a sense of deja-vu here, every time things appear 'nailed on' the picture falls off the wall!


Hopefully this time it really will be just a 'blip'.


Originally Posted by: Col 

Well you have to be optimistic. Weather online,s month ahead.


First half of June better than the second half

High pressure brings about the best of the weather during the first half of June.
Turning more unsettled for the second half of the month with rain or showers at times.
After a brief spell of milder weather it is likely to be turning cooler again later.

*6/6/15 - 12/6/15*
Higher pressure is expected to be building close to the UK and Ireland this week. This will be bringing dry and warmer weather to all parts, although it may be breezy in the south at times. A risk of thundery showers in the south later.

*13/6/15 - 19/6/15*
A change in conditions as high pressure gives way to lower pressure as the week progresses. This will be bringing some periods of rain, heavy at times in the south, and an easterly wind. Drier in the north.

*20/6/15 - 26/6/15*
Indications are that the weather is likely to continue to be mixed through this week. This brings showers, some of them heavy. It is likely to be cooler too.

*27/6/15 - 3/7/15
Confidence is low in the forecast for the end of June and early July. However, the weather is expected to be remaining mixed with rain or showers at times, although there could be an odd drier day too.

Sevendust
06 June 2015 10:08:53


Well you have to be optimistic. Weather online,s month ahead.


First half of June better than the second half

High pressure brings about the best of the weather during the first half of June.
Turning more unsettled for the second half of the month with rain or showers at times.
After a brief spell of milder weather it is likely to be turning cooler again later.

*6/6/15 - 12/6/15*
Higher pressure is expected to be building close to the UK and Ireland this week. This will be bringing dry and warmer weather to all parts, although it may be breezy in the south at times. A risk of thundery showers in the south later.

*13/6/15 - 19/6/15*
A change in conditions as high pressure gives way to lower pressure as the week progresses. This will be bringing some periods of rain, heavy at times in the south, and an easterly wind. Drier in the north.

*20/6/15 - 26/6/15*
Indications are that the weather is likely to continue to be mixed through this week. This brings showers, some of them heavy. It is likely to be cooler too.

*27/6/15 - 3/7/15
Confidence is low in the forecast for the end of June and early July. However, the weather is expected to be remaining mixed with rain or showers at times, although there could be an odd drier day too.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


What a load of crap!


If that were to verify, Matty would be cutting himself


As it is, these LRF's are gash and the reliability of modelling at longer range, as indicated by Martin, is pitiful


The general theme of dry weather being interrupted from the south later in the week and leading to a cool northerly remains


Beyond that, who knows

Patrick01
06 June 2015 17:06:48

That is one mighty cold GFS run for June. The 0c isotherm lies partly or entirely over the UK for the entire run excluding next Wednesday and Thursday.  Thankfully with so much chopping and changing currently, at the very least I think we will see a moderation of that outcome as time goes on. That or this year's summer beach trips can be replaced with ski trips in the highlands. 

cultman1
06 June 2015 17:25:34
I may be posting with' half glass empty' observations for weeks whilst commenting on cooler than normal temperatures for the UK including the South. Reading Patrick01's post just amplifies my observations. I accept the GFS run is just one run but it is a trend for June that the cool temperatures may continue for some time yet. Today we had lovely weather in London but out of the sun yet again a cool nagging NW/W breeze. Here's hoping the models flip back to warmer conditions for us all once the forthcoming weekend is out of the way and the jet stream shunting north and staying there!
Patrick01
06 June 2015 17:51:11

I may be posting with' half glass empty' observations for weeks whilst commenting on cooler than normal temperatures for the UK including the South. Reading Patrick01's post just amplifies my observations. I accept the GFS run is just one run but it is a trend for June that the cool temperatures may continue for some time yet. Today we had lovely weather in London but out of the sun yet again a cool nagging NW/W breeze. Here's hoping the models flip back to warmer conditions for us all once the forthcoming weekend is out of the way and the jet stream shunting north and staying there!

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


 


I suppose the nice this is that on the whole it wouldn't take much tweaking for the heat to head our way and we do still have time on our side. Plus for the most part the runs are more settled than not in the reliable time frame. 

Hungry Tiger
06 June 2015 20:48:05


 


 


I suppose the nice this is that on the whole it wouldn't take much tweaking for the heat to head our way and we do still have time on our side. Plus for the most part the runs are more settled than not in the reliable time frame. 


Originally Posted by: Patrick01 


In my part of the country at least its not been grey dank and wet.


 


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glenogle
06 June 2015 23:40:34


 


I'm typing this from Preston. Absolutely what a dump. I'm so glad I live in the south.  


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Preston is in the south, what you jibbering about?  (thank God it's summer) 😀 😀 


 


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glenogle
06 June 2015 23:42:50


 High streets across the country were ranked on the proportion of shops on their high street which promoted healthy or unhealthy lifestyles, with the bottom ten all being in the Midlands or NorthThats what the Daily Mail implied


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


Two Scottish places on the healthy side??? Daily fail living up to its name up here! 


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glenogle
06 June 2015 23:54:40


That is one mighty cold GFS run for June. The 0c isotherm lies partly or entirely over the UK for the entire run excluding next Wednesday and Thursday.  Thankfully with so much chopping and changing currently, at the very least I think we will see a moderation of that outcome as time goes on. That or this year's summer beach trips can be replaced with ski trips in the highlands. 


Originally Posted by: Patrick01 


You may mock but look at the snow 


 


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glenogle
06 June 2015 23:56:54
http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/glencoe/ 
That's virtually full upper runs that you can still ski if you can be arsed to walk
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bledur
07 June 2015 04:48:17


 


What a load of crap!


If that were to verify, Matty would be cutting himself


As it is, these LRF's are gash and the reliability of modelling at longer range, as indicated by Martin, is pitiful


The general theme of dry weather being interrupted from the south later in the week and leading to a cool northerly remains


Beyond that, who knows


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 

No you dont want to take too much notice of regarding detail on long range forecasts. However having looked at a few i would not be expecting a dry settled end to June but it might all changeRollEyes


 When you say "a load of crap" and the LRF,s are gash , well maybe but some one is only trying to make a genuine informed prediction so as long as it is not as a taken word for word forecast that,s fine. Mellow


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

Whether Idle
07 June 2015 05:12:38

Fans of fine summer weather should refrain from viewing the 0z GFS output.


 


As someone likes to say, it is a "horror show" from day 4 onwards


 


I hope it is barking up very much the wrong tree.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
GIBBY
07 June 2015 07:09:39

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS USING DATA SUPPLIED BY THE NWP OUTPUT COVERING 5 OF THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL WEATHER COMPUTERS ISSUED AT 08:00 ON SUNDAY JUNE 7TH 2015.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION A ridge of High pressure is developing across the SW half of the UK with the cool NW flow across the North decreasing and veering north tomorrow.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn001.gif


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE Quite settled for a time with sunny spells and warm conditions by day locally before more unstable conditions develop late in the week and next weekend.


THE GFS JET STREAM FORECAST The GFS Jet Stream Forecast continues to show the same pattern as previous with the flow relocating to the NW of the UK over the coming days before a trough developing across or near the Uk soon after midweek dips it back South again albeit in much weaker and ill defined form by next weekend and beyond.


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=jetstream


GFS OPERATIONAL The GFS Operational today shows a ridge of High pressure lying across the UK over the next 3-4 days before it is squeezed back to the West both from the South and North by falling pressure which then develops a Low pressure complex around or eventually over the UK for the rest of the run with cool and at least showery conditions for all areas from later next week on for the remainder of the period.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1441.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


THE GFS CONTROL The GFS Control run differs greatly in the second half of it's run with High pressure ridging back across the UK after an unsettled period and establishing a fine and warm spell for all areas through Week 2.


THE GFS CLUSTERS The GFS Clusters today show a strong bias towards the likelihood that High pressure will lie out to the SW of the UK two weeks from now with a ridge towards Britain ensuring a good deal of dry and bright weather. A minority do still show more influence from the Atlantic with some rain at times especially for the North.


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gefs&MODELLTYP=2&BASE=-&VAR=cpre&HH=372&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


UKMO UKMO this morning shows High pressure taking a back seat later next week as showery Low pressure moves up from the South soon after midweek and encompasses much of the UK by next weekend.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rukm1441.gif


THE FAX CHARTS The Fax Charts indicate falling pressure later in the coming week after several days of High pressure across the UK in the first half of the week.


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120.


GEM GEM today shows an unusually cool and showery period following the High pressure of the first few days of this coming week. Then towards the end of the run a ridge of High pressure topples East over Britain cutting off the flow and bringing warmer weather to all and more settled weather too in the SE while the North and West continue to see occasional rain from Atlantic fronts.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.gif


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows showery and rather cool conditions developing across the UK well before next weekend as Low pressure in a light Northerly flow becomes established across the UK.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rnvg1681.gif.


ECM ECM shows showery conditions too developing especially across the South later in the week though on this run at least an attempt to hold a weak High pressure area close to the North is shown which gradually develops a link to the Azores High and restricts showers to the South later and possibly eliminating them altogether by Day 10 as High pressure re-establishes NE across the UK.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2401.gif


ECM 10 DAY MEAN The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart from last night shows slightly better hopes than recent versions as the emphasis appears to be for a greater influence across the UK from the ridge of High pressure from the Azores High towards the South


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS The trend continues to ebb and flow  towards a more unsettled and showery interlude at least to develop across the UK late next week.


31 DAY HISTORICAL VERIFICATION STATS FOR GFS, UKMO & ECM The current verification statistics for the past 31 days shows ECM leading the way at 3 days with 96.7 pts followed by UKM at 95.5 pts and GFS at 95.1. At 5 days ECM  leads GFS with 85.5 over GFS's's 81.5 pts with UKMO at 81.3. At 8 days ECM clocks in ahead of GFS at 49.4 over 43.2. Then at Day 10 ECM remains slightly ahead of GFS at 31.1 pts to 23.2 pts.


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day3_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day5_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day8_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.png


http://www.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/gmb/STATS_vsdb/allmodel/daily/cor/cor_day10_PMSL_MSL_G2NHX.prig
 


MY THOUGHTS Things seem no clearer this morning between the output as all models show various outcomes between each other and also differences in what they were showing last evening indicating unusually low confidence should be given credibility to any one slution at this time. The ensembles too give very little indication of longer term prospects as the members all show some influence from High pressure out to the SW but how much is very speculative and disagreed upon. So as a result we are left to the part of the period where things are more certain and that is that the next 3-4 days which will see a lot of fine and dry weather though never overly warm and with some unseasonably cold nights for this stage of the year. A few showers in the East tomorrow could enhance the cool feel and then a more coherent deterioration in conditions look like arriving from the South or SE from Thursday as thundery showers begin to affect the SE before likely spreading to other areas in the days thereafter. From then on no clear signal is given with a lot of output showing cool and showery weather persisting under Low pressure while other output recovers pressure later to return dry weather to many. This theory does currently hold the balance of power but a good few more runs are needed yet through the early days of this week before the final outcome for the second week is likely to become resolved. So while some pleasant weather is likely over the coming few weeks some interruptions from cool showers, heavy at times are likely and while the weather could be described as 'could be a lot worse' I feel it could be a good deal better too at times from some output given the time of year.


Next update from 08:00 Monday June 8th 2015


Martin G
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Ally Pally Snowman
07 June 2015 07:10:00

The ECM is completely different from the GFS it has no northerly at all. And by day 8 high pressure is back in control. I imagine the GFS is doing its usual thing and over doing the change in the weather and just repeating that change over and over again. It has to be said though the ECM has been all over the place recently. I think a half way house is the most likely scenario. I've never seen them so different.


 


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Sinky1970
07 June 2015 07:23:16
Don't think i'll be getting too excited about the latest GFS output.
Matty H
07 June 2015 11:55:05

As noted, the ECM is more than decent 


Sevendust
07 June 2015 11:56:41


No you dont want to take too much notice of regarding detail on long range forecasts. However having looked at a few i would not be expecting a dry settled end to June but it might all changeRollEyes


 When you say "a load of crap" and the LRF,s are gash , well maybe but some one is only trying to make a genuine informed prediction so as long as it is not as a taken word for word forecast that,s fine. Mellow


Originally Posted by: bledur 


"crap" referred to the assessment should it verify.


My views on LRF's are pretty well known and it probably doesn't matter who creates them, educated or not, the point remains the same.


Yes there's no reason why people shouldn't produce them, but I would suggest that despite advances in computing power and interpretation, it can be a real struggle beyond 5 days as has been discussed at length on my FB page by people far more meteorologically savvy than me.


The current output continues to toy with the idea of pushing a continental low northwards towards SE England as the week progresses but this appears to simply open the door for a reinforced northerly and cool conditions.


High summer remaining on hold

Solar Cycles
07 June 2015 12:13:44

I think we could be looking at good back ended summer with this month possibly being the worst of the three. My new forecasting method of random guesswork helped me come to such a conclusion, I await the verification stats later in the year too see if I'm onto something.

picturesareme
07 June 2015 12:40:28
This June is akin to June 2013, which oddly enough followed a crap cold May.... We all know how July turned out that year 😉😎☀️
DEW
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07 June 2015 13:41:14


The current output continues to toy with the idea of pushing a continental low northwards towards SE England as the week progresses but this appears to simply open the door for a reinforced northerly and cool conditions.


High summer remaining on hold


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Altogether too well matched with the wet and cool forecast shown here, especially for the south.


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/prec4.html


 


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Charmhills
07 June 2015 17:07:19


The Met/o run looking very convective.


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Arcus
07 June 2015 17:26:53
The outlook for this week seems OK to me, if you get beyond the "have a look at what you could have won" mindset relating to what the models were showing. Some pleasant weather, strong sunshine, albeit stronger winds in the south with a threat of rain there later in the week. Could be much, much worse.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Chunky Pea
07 June 2015 17:27:01
GFS 12z looks pretty ok for settled weather. More in line with this morning's ECM.
Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


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Matty H
07 June 2015 19:21:03

I've seen a lot worse charts than all of this evening's big three 


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