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Charmhills
09 May 2015 12:40:48

http://order-order.com/2015/05/08/your-boys-took-one-helluva-beating/#_@/QsolI-Y+ubCcGQ



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NickR
09 May 2015 12:53:09


 


An article based on fear.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


An article based on Tory policies.


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Essan
09 May 2015 12:54:15

Sums up many of my fears.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/scrap-the-human-rights-act-and-keep-ttip-heres-what-you-voted-for-and-will-get-with-a-tory-government-britain-10235374.html

Originally Posted by: NickR 



Sums up the biggest problem with some people: their glass is always half empty


But anyway, it's all a load of nonsense.   Here's what we're really getting


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Maunder Minimum
09 May 2015 13:07:03

Excellent poster Essan and very funny - but it misses the bit about compulsory baby eating.


Anyhow, on a serious note it is a good move leaving Philip Hammond at the FO - he is a noted eurosceptic and as Foreign Secretary he will take the lead on negotiating a new arrangement with the EU.


I think this is the most fascinating thing about a Conservative victory - it provides a mandate to get real, genuine and significant reforms of our relationship with the EU and the leaders of other EU countries and the EUcrats in Brussels must be made aware of that. If they fail to offer genuine reform, we really could be on the way out of the EU altogether and Angela Merkel in particular does not want that.


New world order coming.
Solar Cycles
09 May 2015 13:07:19
^^^^ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hungry Tiger
09 May 2015 13:37:17


 


That much is true.


However, I am so happy this morning


Having an overall majority is wonderful, since we can now implement the policies the LibDems blocked. I know many on here will disagree with me, but for me the following are manna from Heaven:



  1. Repeal the Human Rights Act

  2. Go to Brussels with a mandate to tell the Eurocrats to get stuffed.

  3. EU Referendum where the whole issue can be put to bed for a generation. What do I want out of this - for the UK to stay in a properly reformed relationship with the EU. We need the EU to recognise that there is an inner core (the Eurozone) and an outer zone of detached nations. The outer zone to have all the benefits of free trade, but without "ever closer union", without all the non-trade related Directives and without any concept of a United States of Europe. If Cameron can negotiate the right deal, I shall vote to remain in, otherwise it is out.

  4. Properly sort out the benefits system. Basically, young people should be in work, training or education - no benefits for being idle in other words. Catch people in their 20s and prevent them from sinking into the trap of a life on benefits.

  5. Rebalance the economy. Easier said than done, but pro-business, pro-investment policies.

  6. English votes for English issues as part of the Devolution settlement


Plus:



  1. No votes for 16 year olds.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Cheers Richard - You beat me to it. I'll add my bit fwiw. I hope that the Conservatives don't squander this opportunity. We don't want a repeat of what happened under John Major in the early 1990s.


The recovery needs to be broadened and deepened and incentives need to be in place to ensure that everyone benefits .


 


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Saint Snow
09 May 2015 13:46:17

Sums up many of my fears.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/scrap-the-human-rights-act-and-keep-ttip-heres-what-you-voted-for-and-will-get-with-a-tory-government-britain-10235374.html

Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


Somewhat tempered by the fact the Indy came out for the same Tories it now tries to belatedly demonise.


 



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Saint Snow
09 May 2015 13:49:44

 


The recovery needs to be broadened and deepened and incentives need to be in place to ensure that everyone benefits


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


Under this bunch of self-serving elitists?


Get real. Of course, they'll peddle the total myth of 'trickle down' politics, cutting taxes for the wealthiest whilst cutting services & benefits for everyone else. But privately they'll be raising toast to the innate ability of ordinary British people to vote for a government that acts completely against their overall interests.


 


 


 


 



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KevBrads1
09 May 2015 14:03:07

The collapse of the LibDems thinking about it now is normal service resumed.


You look at the Liberals/LibDems since WWII, when the Tories resurge and came back into power, the Liberal vote collapsed as it did in 1951, 1970 and 1979. 


The aberration was 2010 when the Tories resurged but the LibDems vote held up infact it increased. Well the Tories this time managed to form a majority government as the LibDems collapsed.


Every time the Tories formed a new majority government, the Liberals have collapsed.


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springsunshine
09 May 2015 14:17:22


 


That much is true.


However, I am so happy this morning


Having an overall majority is wonderful, since we can now implement the policies the LibDems blocked. I know many on here will disagree with me, but for me the following are manna from Heaven:



  1. Repeal the Human Rights Act

  2. Go to Brussels with a mandate to tell the Eurocrats to get stuffed.

  3. EU Referendum where the whole issue can be put to bed for a generation. What do I want out of this - for the UK to stay in a properly reformed relationship with the EU. We need the EU to recognise that there is an inner core (the Eurozone) and an outer zone of detached nations. The outer zone to have all the benefits of free trade, but without "ever closer union", without all the non-trade related Directives and without any concept of a United States of Europe. If Cameron can negotiate the right deal, I shall vote to remain in, otherwise it is out.

  4. Properly sort out the benefits system. Basically, young people should be in work, training or education - no benefits for being idle in other words. Catch people in their 20s and prevent them from sinking into the trap of a life on benefits.

  5. Rebalance the economy. Easier said than done, but pro-business, pro-investment policies.

  6. English votes for English issues as part of the Devolution settlement


Plus:



  1. No votes for 16 year olds.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I would also in addition to the above,very much hope they repeal the climate change act or at least severely dilute it.

Devonian
09 May 2015 14:20:15


 


I would also in addition to the above,very much hope they repeal the climate change act or at least severely dilute it.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

In a way so do I, it would show they'd lost contact with reality...I actually think they won't

Devonian
09 May 2015 14:26:49


 


That much is true.


However, I am so happy this morning


Having an overall majority is wonderful, since we can now implement the policies the LibDems blocked. I know many on here will disagree with me, but for me the following are manna from Heaven:



  1. Repeal the Human Rights Act

  2. Go to Brussels with a mandate to tell the Eurocrats to get stuffed.

  3. EU Referendum where the whole issue can be put to bed for a generation. What do I want out of this - for the UK to stay in a properly reformed relationship with the EU. We need the EU to recognise that there is an inner core (the Eurozone) and an outer zone of detached nations. The outer zone to have all the benefits of free trade, but without "ever closer union", without all the non-trade related Directives and without any concept of a United States of Europe. If Cameron can negotiate the right deal, I shall vote to remain in, otherwise it is out.

  4. Properly sort out the benefits system. Basically, young people should be in work, training or education - no benefits for being idle in other words. Catch people in their 20s and prevent them from sinking into the trap of a life on benefits.

  5. Rebalance the economy. Easier said than done, but pro-business, pro-investment policies.

  6. English votes for English issues as part of the Devolution settlement


Plus:



  1. No votes for 16 year olds.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 

In other words going back in time rather than moving forward. I'm not sure but again I think Cameron might be rather more in the 21st century than that.

Maunder Minimum
09 May 2015 14:29:19


In other words going back in time rather than moving forward. I'm not sure but again I think Cameron might be rather more in the 21st century than that.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Why is it "going back in time?". You can argue against the policies if you disagree with them, but in no way is it "going back in time". There is no time continuum which means that policies can only ever go in one direction.


New world order coming.
NickR
09 May 2015 14:33:14


 


 


Somewhat tempered by the fact the Indy came out for the same Tories it now tries to belatedly demonise.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Quite. I'll never pay money for that paper again. To be fair, most of the staff were as unhappy as most of the readers.


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Saint Snow
09 May 2015 16:09:06

I've been reading the rawk election post-mortem, and it's surprisingly very good analysis.


One poster was critical of Labour's overall presentation of its electoral offering. The manifesto & political positioning of the party is what it is. The right-wing media from the moment he was elected portrayed Milliband as leftist. He never was, and nor was his manifesto. Let's also remember that Labour under Bliar introduced the minimum wage, Tax Credits, etc.


Milliband was never able to counter this 'dark arts' propaganda war by the media or the Tory Party, because Labour never presented a coherent counter.


Over a year ago, worried about Labour's electoral prospects, Mandy remarked, “Having policies without those being drawn into a convincing and vivid narrative, a story about who you are, what you stand for, what you’re going to do for people and the country, is not enough.”


He's correct. Labour's campaign was all over the place, with gimmicks (the tombstone) & on-the-hoof new policy announcements being thrown into the fray. But no big central narrative, about how their key policies benefit the majority.


 



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Essan
09 May 2015 16:25:31


I've been reading the rawk election post-mortem, and it's surprisingly very good analysis.


One poster was critical of Labour's overall presentation of its electoral offering. The manifesto & political positioning of the party is what it is. The right-wing media from the moment he was elected portrayed Milliband as leftist. He never was, and nor was his manifesto. Let's also remember that Labour under Bliar introduced the minimum wage, Tax Credits, etc.


Milliband was never able to counter this 'dark arts' propaganda war by the media or the Tory Party, because Labour never presented a coherent counter.


Over a year ago, worried about Labour's electoral prospects, Mandy remarked, “Having policies without those being drawn into a convincing and vivid narrative, a story about who you are, what you stand for, what you’re going to do for people and the country, is not enough.”


He's correct. Labour's campaign was all over the place, with gimmicks (the tombstone) & on-the-hoof new policy announcements being thrown into the fray. But no big central narrative, about how their key policies benefit the majority.


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 




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Devonian
09 May 2015 16:25:44


 


Why is it "going back in time?". You can argue against the policies if you disagree with them, but in no way is it "going back in time". There is no time continuum which means that policies can only ever go in one direction.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Perhaps you've not heard the phrase 'going back in time' used as a metaphor? I mean, if we do as you hope, we'd end up with laws and the UK as they were at some point in the past - at least out of the EU proper and perhaps simply out of the EU (1970's), not part of the European human rights area (along with Belarus - so that's good!) - 1950's, cut public spending, as a proportion,  to the levels of the...1930s?

David M Porter
09 May 2015 16:37:36


 


I would also in addition to the above,very much hope they repeal the climate change act or at least severely dilute it.


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


I don't think they will, unless they are willing to risk an avalanche of protest!


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Maunder Minimum
09 May 2015 16:40:36

Here is an interesting piece of news - Labour's woes continue:


Nigel Farage may have failed to capture the parliamentary seat of South Thanet, but his party has scored a historic victory locally nonetheless, capturing its first council, Thanet in Kent, from Labour.


 


New world order coming.
Devonian
09 May 2015 16:49:24


I've been reading the rawk election post-mortem, and it's surprisingly very good analysis.


One poster was critical of Labour's overall presentation of its electoral offering. The manifesto & political positioning of the party is what it is. The right-wing media from the moment he was elected portrayed Milliband as leftist. He never was, and nor was his manifesto. Let's also remember that Labour under Bliar introduced the minimum wage, Tax Credits, etc.


Milliband was never able to counter this 'dark arts' propaganda war by the media or the Tory Party, because Labour never presented a coherent counter.


Over a year ago, worried about Labour's electoral prospects, Mandy remarked, “Having policies without those being drawn into a convincing and vivid narrative, a story about who you are, what you stand for, what you’re going to do for people and the country, is not enough.”


He's correct. Labour's campaign was all over the place, with gimmicks (the tombstone) & on-the-hoof new policy announcements being thrown into the fray. But no big central narrative, about how their key policies benefit the majority.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Everyone goes on as if the Conservatives have won big and are popular - but they're still simply the least unpopular minority party. We're there crowds in the streets celebrating? Hardly a soul? In my part of the world several seats fell to the Conservatives (many seats in fact) but their share of the vote a hardly changed and less than 1% increase across the UK.


The Conservatives are a teeny weeny bit more popular than they were.


The big news is the LibDems are a lot less popular - that's really what swung the election. People say they're irrelevant (and they may be now) but they have played a big role in several post war elections.


Now, it could be argued Labour should have advanced more - and I think they could have. How much? With a charismatic leader, policies closer to the 'aspiring', the 'centre left' maybe the 5% that went missing in the polling booths? But maybe not. The economy isn't in recession and the LDs (dur) have been sewerage engineers for the Conservative. That waste plumbing has gone now - if they understand they need to look decent 2020 could be theirs too.

Maunder Minimum
09 May 2015 17:00:55

The beast is stirring. Interesting piece in The Telegraph here:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11594812/David-Cameron-launches-charm-offensive-to-head-off-Right-wing-rebel-Tory-MPs.html


Significant comments:


"David Davis, former Europe Minister, estimated that most of the 332 Tory MPs wanted Parliament to have a veto or “opt-out” power to stop individual EU laws from applying to Britain. Up to 60 MPs would feel so strongly that they could rebel on the issue alone, he said. "


But “a significant fraction of the Conservative party” wants “a parliamentary opt-out on anything” from the EU.


“What ordinary members of the public want to see are an ‘emergency brake’ on immigration, which the Swiss have got. They probably want to see some changes to things like the European arrest warrant, rather less regulatory meddling,” he said.


...


"Nigel Mills, the Tory MP who led a rebellion over EU migration 18 months ago, said he wanted Mr Cameron to restore the “national sovereignty” of Parliament “so our national parliament’s decisions have to be respected.


“If we as a parliament decide to do something that conflicts with an EU treaty, we have to have the final say,” Mr Mills said. “After that, anything else you can fix. The other thing we really need to get to grips on is the immigration issue.”"


I would be more than happy if we could achieve the above, since it would re-establish the primacy of the UK Parliament as the repository of the sovereign will of the British people.


Plus, I have always hated the European Arrest Warrant, since it treats the judicial systems of all EU countries as equivalent.


New world order coming.
Devonian
09 May 2015 17:03:45


The beast is stirring. Interesting piece in The Telegraph here:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/11594812/David-Cameron-launches-charm-offensive-to-head-off-Right-wing-rebel-Tory-MPs.html


Significant comments:


"David Davis, former Europe Minister, estimated that most of the 332 Tory MPs wanted Parliament to have a veto or “opt-out” power to stop individual EU laws from applying to Britain. Up to 60 MPs would feel so strongly that they could rebel on the issue alone, he said. "


But “a significant fraction of the Conservative party” wants “a parliamentary opt-out on anything” from the EU.


“What ordinary members of the public want to see are an ‘emergency brake’ on immigration, which the Swiss have got. They probably want to see some changes to things like the European arrest warrant, rather less regulatory meddling,” he said.


...


"Nigel Mills, the Tory MP who led a rebellion over EU migration 18 months ago, said he wanted Mr Cameron to restore the “national sovereignty” of Parliament “so our national parliament’s decisions have to be respected.


“If we as a parliament decide to do something that conflicts with an EU treaty, we have to have the final say,” Mr Mills said. “After that, anything else you can fix. The other thing we really need to get to grips on is the immigration issue.”"


I would be more than happy if we could achieve the above, since it would re-establish the primacy of the UK Parliament as the repository of the sovereign will of the British people.


Plus, I have always hated the European Arrest Warrant, since it treats the judicial systems of all EU countries as equivalent.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


What a load of old bollox. Sovereign will of 36.9% of us more like. Sheesh the Conservatives can be arrogant. You don't speak for most of us!

Retron
09 May 2015 17:04:56


Here is an interesting piece of news - Labour's woes continue:


Nigel Farage may have failed to capture the parliamentary seat of South Thanet, but his party has scored a historic victory locally nonetheless, capturing its first council, Thanet in Kent, from Labour.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


That's likely to be as much to do with the previous council being utterly incompetent when it came to the handling of Manston as it is to do with liking UKIP!


(For those who weren't aware, Manston was a historic airport in Thanet, used for cargo flights, training (BA used it for their A380), aircraft dismantling and occasional passenger flights - several airlines have come and gone over the years, most recently KLM. It also served as an emergency base for pilots in trouble nearby.


Anyway, some businesswoman called Anne Gloag bought it for a pound. A US consortium offered to buy the place for several million pounds, operating primarily as a cargo airport with a sideline in dismantling old aircraft - essentially a continuation of its old role, with more focus on cargo. They came back with several offers as each was turned down by Gloag.


A few months later Gloag said the airport would never be viable and sold it to some housing developers (just what's needed, loads more houses in an area with few jobs). Understandably this caused anger from lots of people who thought that Gloag had no intention to actually run the place as an airport, but was just wanting to asset-strip the place and make money from selling it to propery developers.


The local council proved hopeless, faffing about with regards to pursuing a compulsory purchase order. In the end after a lot of flapping around they decided not to go for it. This ruffled feathers in government (after all, there's allegedly a shortage of air capacity in the SE, so moving some cargo away from Heathrow and Gatwick would free up some slots) and the arguments continue to go on.


UKIP had a very strong local campaign in favour of pursuing a CPO and re-opening the airport.


It's no wonder they got in. I'd have swallowed my pride and voted UKIP for the local council if I lived in Thanet. As an aside, we have a UKIP and Tory councillor now in East Sheppey - what's interesting is the Tory who didn't get elected is one of those anti-infrastructure people who opposes everything and who wants 20 limits on rural main roads. I, along with others, voted tactically to get her removed and it seems to have worked! I voted for the other Tory and a Labour candidate.)


Leysdown, north Kent
Maunder Minimum
09 May 2015 17:05:20


 


What a load of old bollox. Sovereign will of 36.9% of us more like. Sheesh the Conservatives can be arrogant. You don't speak for most of us!


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


You completely misunderstand the point. I said Parliament represents the sovereign will of the people, not the Conservative Party. The same would apply whoever won a majority in Parliament.


New world order coming.
KevBrads1
09 May 2015 17:08:05


 


Perhaps you've not heard the phrase 'going back in time' used as a metaphor? I mean, if we do as you hope, we'd end up with laws and the UK as they were at some point in the past - at least out of the EU proper and perhaps simply out of the EU (1970's), not part of the European human rights area (along with Belarus - so that's good!) - 1950's, cut public spending, as a proportion,  to the levels of the...1930s?


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


It is interesting you say this because you voted Labour and I read in the Times, one former Labour Cabinet minister called Ed's strategy as "idealised 1970s socialism tarted up with American political consultant speak"


So according to that, you voted "going back in time"


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