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tallyho_83
Monday, December 21, 2015 1:10:52 AM


It feels quite cold outside but I'm not acclimatised to temps as low as the current 6.7c.


Awful for sleeping last night.  The wind was playing havoc with the open bedroom window but it was too warm to close it.  Doors blowing open, blinds rattling.  So I got up just after 4am, put the bedding in the washer and had it out on the line and dry before it got light! 


I's so glad it's cooler tonight because I need some sleep otherwise I'll need to see Richard's therapist.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Yet Temperatures of around 7c is average.


Dipped to 8.5c earlier and that felt freezing!! brr!!...But realised that's an average daytime but this is end of December and it's in the early hours. - Could be the coldest temp we see all this week sadly as milder air with wind and rain returns so we are back up to the endless +13 or 14c or even 15c..

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doctormog
Monday, December 21, 2015 7:13:10 AM


 


Yet Temperatures of around 7c is average.


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Actually the average daily max in your location is around 10°C in December (or in the 9 - 11.5°C range anyway).


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/averages/maps/southwestengland/7100_1km/MaxTemp_Average_1971-2000_12.gif 

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ARTzeman
Monday, December 21, 2015 4:40:13 PM

Another moan . Gusty day Tuesday from the early hours.   Have to go around with weights on your feet...To keep you on the ground...  





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idj20
Monday, December 21, 2015 6:00:06 PM


Another moan . Gusty day Tuesday from the early hours.   Have to go around with weights on your feet...To keep you on the ground...  


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



Indeed, this wind is turning out a bit stronger than I thought today - and it is expected to be gale force all day tomorrow and when combined with the drizzle it will feel and look bleak for it. I won't lose much sleep over the wind thing as it is quite typical for this time of year, but even so I'm already bored of this winter and just want to fast track to Spring - where knowing our luck it'll turn out to be the coldest and snowiest since 1891 or something.

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Andy Woodcock
Monday, December 21, 2015 10:19:38 PM

I have known some grim winters in my life but this one so far is a nightmare combination of 1988/89 mildness combined with 2013/14 storminess that's created a winter beast capable of torturing any cold lover.


It really can't get any worse, at least winter 1988/89 was fairly dry and bright while 2013/14 was a lot cooler, but this winter is so very mild, wet, windy and incredibly dull.


Following so closely after the awful winter of 2014 is this a sign of things to come?


On Radio 4 today a Syrian refugee was being interviewed about his new life in the UK, when asked what he thought of the weather the poor guy replied back with a slightly pleading voice "does it always rain so much?"


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Caz
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Monday, December 21, 2015 10:37:33 PM

I sometimes wonder how foreigners imagine our weather to be, because I'm sure us Brits have managed to convince them that it always rains here.  In the Caribbean a waiter asked if I liked their weather and he genuinely believed it rained every day in the UK.  I assured him it didn't but sometimes it felt like it did.


I wish I were in the Caribbean right now, away from the dull gunk we have here.

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LeedsLad123
Monday, December 21, 2015 10:40:59 PM


I sometimes wonder how foreigners imagine our weather to be, because I'm sure us Brits have managed to convince them that it always rains here.  In the Caribbean a waiter asked if I liked their weather and he genuinely believed it rained every day in the UK.  I assured him it didn't but sometimes it felt like it did.


I wish I were in the Caribbean right now, away from the dull gunk we have here.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


It really doesn't rain that much - not here anyway. Looking at Met Office figures, we get an average of 114 days of rain a year.. and 603mm annually. Our wettest month is October with 57mm and our driest is February with 37mm. The month with most rain days is November at 11 and driest is September with 8. This November+December has been very wet, or at least it's felt like it, but this is far from ordinary. Certainly no more normal than April 2011 - we had 0.5mm that month and no rain days >1mm.


Hopefully next year will prove better - though thankfully over the past week it hasn't rained much at all, and today was our first proper rain for 9 days - and the sun came out around 2pm.

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Monday, December 21, 2015 10:45:36 PM


away from the dull gunk we have here.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Rain I can cope with, it is relentless dull gunk which drives me into slough of despond.

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Bertwhistle
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:06:21 AM


 


It really doesn't rain that much - not here anyway. Looking at Met Office figures, we get an average of 114 days of rain a year.. and 603mm annually. Our wettest month is October with 57mm and our driest is February with 37mm. The month with most rain days is November at 11 and driest is September with 8. This November+December has been very wet, or at least it's felt like it, but this is far from ordinary. Certainly no more normal than April 2011 - we had 0.5mm that month and no rain days >1mm.


Hopefully next year will prove better - though thankfully over the past week it hasn't rained much at all, and today was our first proper rain for 9 days - and the sun came out around 2pm.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Are you in a bit of a rainshadow from the Pennines, LL?

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Easternpromise
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:45:26 AM

If this lack of cold & snow continues, will this not be the third winter in a row with little or no snow for many places ? (appreciate we’re only in the early stages of this winter). I’m sure in the 13/14 winter we didn’t even have a light covering of snow and I don’t recall many frosts either. The 14/15 winter was nearly as bad but at least we had a light covering of snow on one or two occasions. If this winter doesn’t improve on the last two then it will be three poor winters in a row and I’m sure I can’t remember that happening before, even during the 90’s!!

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Essan
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:02:13 AM

I am putting my (nearly new) 4.5 tog duvet up for sale - its much to warm for use in this country but may be on interest to climate refugees fleeing to Antarctica .... 

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Bertwhistle
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:03:48 AM


If this lack of cold & snow continues, will this not be the third winter in a row with little or no snow for many places ? (appreciate we’re only in the early stages of this winter). I’m sure in the 13/14 winter we didn’t even have a light covering of snow and I don’t recall many frosts either. The 14/15 winter was nearly as bad but at least we had a light covering of snow on one or two occasions. If this winter doesn’t improve on the last two then it will be three poor winters in a row and I’m sure I can’t remember that happening before, even during the 90’s!!


Originally Posted by: Easternpromise 


It was pretty rubbish here in 87-88 (despite a cold, dry first half of Dec); 88-9 and 89-90. Only the Feb91 spell saved it from being 4, but even the Dec 87 early bits made the build up to the festive spell quite nice.

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Essan
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:04:31 AM


It really doesn't rain that much - not here anyway. Looking at Met Office figures, we get an average of 114 days of rain a year.. and 603mm annually. Our wettest month is October with 57mm and our driest is February with 37mm.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 



Very similar here.   And this year I am still over 100mm below average, so going to end up quite a dry year!

Andy
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KevBrads1
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:14:05 AM
The Boxing Day record maximum is 16.0C set in 1983.

This current pattern producing these ridiculous anomalies is IMO unsustainable. It reminds me of a light bulb burning way above its wattage.

Its going to collapse around our ears, I fear. The light bulb is going to explode. May-July 2007 crash? April-June 2012 crash? I don't know but this spell is climatologically ridiculous.
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doctormog
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:18:28 AM


 


It really doesn't rain that much - not here anyway. Looking at Met Office figures, we get an average of 114 days of rain a year.. and 603mm annually. Our wettest month is October with 57mm and our driest is February with 37mm. The month with most rain days is November at 11 and driest is September with 8. This November+December has been very wet, or at least it's felt like it, but this is far from ordinary. Certainly no more normal than April 2011 - we had 0.5mm that month and no rain days >1mm.


Hopefully next year will prove better - though thankfully over the past week it hasn't rained much at all, and today was our first proper rain for 9 days - and the sun came out around 2pm.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Here is the UK overview of days with measurable rain at or above 0.2mm


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/averages/maps/uk/7100_1km/RainDays02_Average_1971-2000_17.gif 


 


 

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Justin W
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:26:03 AM

The Boxing Day record maximum is 16.0C set in 1983.

This current pattern producing these ridiculous anomalies is IMO unsustainable. It reminds me of a light bulb burning way above its wattage.

Its going to collapse around our ears, I fear. The light bulb is going to explode. May-July 2007 crash? April-June 2012 crash? I don't know but this spell is climatologically ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


Good analogy. 


Of course it will collapse. This is not an 88/89 or a 97/98 - it is something altogether different. The early winter anomalies are very, very different. Although I still believe the three months of winter will, as a whole, be on the mild side of average, the longer this exceptional spell goes on the more I'm inclined to believe that there will be a sharp correction at some point. 

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lanky
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 9:49:06 AM


 


 


Good analogy. 


Of course it will collapse. This is not an 88/89 or a 97/98 - it is something altogether different. The early winter anomalies are very, very different. Although I still believe the three months of winter will, as a whole, be on the mild side of average, the longer this exceptional spell goes on the more I'm inclined to believe that there will be a sharp correction at some point. 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Even with 70 days left of winter, the first 20 days have been so exceptionally mild that we would need the rest of December and all of January and February to have a CET of under 3C to end up with a colder than average winter overall


 

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ARTzeman
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:29:02 AM

At least the day is longer from today being Winter Solstice... Even if is a few seconds....





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Fothergill
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:53:26 PM




Very similar here.   And this year I am still over 100mm below average, so going to end up quite a dry year!


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Here we average close to 2,000mm and currently 1,840mm this year. I often wonder how those in Lowland England who think they live in a rainy, cloudy climate would cope living here lol. Though I suppose it's the frequency of rain that's the main annoyance and the contrast there isn't so extreme.

Saint Snow
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:06:19 PM


At least the day is longer from today being Winter Solstice... Even if is a few seconds....


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


 



I actually hate it when the days start getting longer. I wish we'd have the daylight variations of around 500-1,000 miles north of here


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Solar Cycles
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:20:39 PM


 


 



I actually hate it when the days start getting longer. I wish we'd have the daylight variations of around 500-1,000 miles north of here


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

It would still end up mild, wet and windy though.😴

springsunshine
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:42:49 PM

The Boxing Day record maximum is 16.0C set in 1983.

This current pattern producing these ridiculous anomalies is IMO unsustainable. It reminds me of a light bulb burning way above its wattage.

Its going to collapse around our ears, I fear. The light bulb is going to explode. May-July 2007 crash? April-June 2012 crash? I don't know but this spell is climatologically ridiculous.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


It could be argued this period (late oct to whenever) is the correction to the cold summer period when may to September all recorded below average temps. However I also think there will be a correction and my guess it will happen Feb - April

Essan
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:54:43 PM


 


It could be argued this period (late oct to whenever) is the correction to the cold summer period when may to September all recorded below average temps. However I also think there will be a correction and my guess it will happen Feb - April


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


 


August was +0.1c     But in any case, total anomaly for May-Sept was -1.7, more than compensated for by Nov's +2.9c before we even look at Dec's +5.1c (current)


My guess is that next July will be -3.4c and Aug -4.1c to compensate 

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LeedsLad123
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:08:41 PM


 


Here is the UK overview of days with measurable rain at or above 0.2mm


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/averages/maps/uk/7100_1km/RainDays02_Average_1971-2000_17.gif 


 


 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I'm often cautious about using the lower threshold simply because dew registers as rainfall, as well as fog.

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Fothergill
Tuesday, December 22, 2015 10:55:37 PM

Nothing is going our way this winter. Warmest ever December nailed on after the warmest ever November, powerful El Nino, Wly QBO, no sign of a SSW. The models showing unceasing mild, wind and rain as far as the eye can see. Things can only get better because surely they can't get any worse...

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