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David M Porter
06 January 2016 21:24:39

It appears as though something that not so long ago quite a lot of people thought wouldn't happen anytime soon may well be about to happen next week; a notable change in pattern to what we've witnessed so far this winter. How long will the change last for is the main question now.


As always, normal rules.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Gooner
06 January 2016 21:27:50

I'm not sure about this, but I don't recall there being a SSW event before either the Dec 2009/Jan 2010 or late Nov & December 2010 freezes. Could be wrong though.


 


Valid point David but I have heard many times when we are struggling for that pot of gold people say there aren't many signs of a SSW..........of course we may get nothing from what is currently being shown , but my point being is that we don't need a SSW to get cold here .....do we ???


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
06 January 2016 21:31:23


I'm not sure about this, but I don't recall there being a SSW event before either the Dec 2009/Jan 2010 or late Nov & December 2010 freezes. Could be wrong though.


 


Valid point David but I have heard many times when we are struggling for that pot of gold people say there aren't many signs of a SSW..........of course we may get nothing from what is currently being shown , but my point being is that we don't need a SSW to get cold here .....do we ???


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


The SSW obsession started after January 13 when we had one and bingo 2 weeks later we had a very good cold spell that lasted pretty much until April. I agree though most recent UK cold spells didn't have one.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Jive Buddy
06 January 2016 21:35:16

Have all the 'sensible dads' gone on a bender or something?....I haven't seen the obligatory "I urge caution" post yet?...


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

Location: St. Mary Cray, S.E. London border with Kent.
Ally Pally Snowman
06 January 2016 21:37:19

The weather for the week ahead is already up on the bbc weather website and Its not a let down colder snowier weather on the way.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/35248338


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Arbroath 1320
06 January 2016 21:44:48

Tonight's ECM 12z t240 chart is an absolute peach:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/ecm/240_mslp500.png


Probably as good as it gets for the UK in terms of the prospects of a prolonged cold spell. 


Having said that, and looking at the model projections up to that point, there still seems to be plenty of things which could go wrong that would mean we end up with a 2-day toppler. The key thing to watch out for is the Met dropping the word 'brief' in their descrption of the upcoming cold spell withn their 6-30 day outlook. If they do that in their update overnight or tomorrow, we could be in business


GGTTH
Gooner
06 January 2016 21:47:10


The weather for the week ahead is already up on the bbc weather website and Its not a let down colder snowier weather on the way.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/35248338


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Interesting to hear JH say " once your in either warm air or cold air , you could be in it for sometime "


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


JACKO4EVER
06 January 2016 21:47:39


Tonight's ECM 12z t240 chart is an absolute peach:


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/chart.aspx?chart=/charts/ecm/240_mslp500.png


Probably as good as it gets for the UK in terms of the prospects of a prolonged cold spell. 


Having said that, and looking at the model projections up to that point, there still seems to be plenty of things which could go wrong that would mean we end up with a 2-day toppler. The key thing to watch out for is the Met dropping the word 'brief' in their descrption of the upcoming cold spell withn their 6-30 day outlook. If they do that in their update overnight or tomorrow, we could be in business


Originally Posted by: Arbroath 1320 


unbelievable chart, one for Marcus JFF of course 😜

Gooner
06 January 2016 21:49:22


 


unbelievable chart, one for Marcus JFF of course 😜


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Indeed Jas , of course much better if the 0 was knocked off the 240 and we were looking at a 24h chart eh.


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
06 January 2016 21:49:36


 


Interesting to hear JH say " once your in either warm air or cold air , you could be in it for sometime "


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Indeed he seemed to suggest a good chance of a longer cold spell that what's currently on the Meto website.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Jive Buddy
06 January 2016 21:51:15


 


Interesting to hear JH say " once your in either warm air or cold air , you could be in it for sometime "


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes, as we've been told on here a few times this winter - once these patterns are established, they are very hard to shift. No, the writing's on the wall, we can write off the rest of January, the whole of February, and probably most of March too...for mild weather 



 


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

Location: St. Mary Cray, S.E. London border with Kent.
Gandalf The White
06 January 2016 21:52:06


The weather for the week ahead is already up on the bbc weather website and Its not a let down colder snowier weather on the way.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/35248338


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


More than enough hints in there that this isn't a 2-3 day cold snap.  Heavily contorted jet stream around the northern hemisphere, pattern tends to be static and if you're in the cold air you can be stuck in it.


That's much as the charts are showing at the moment.


Generally there are plenty of reasons for caution but somehow I'm quietly confident that this will arrive by Tuesday and last for most of next week. How cold and how much snow remain unclear but I'd guess very cold but perhaps largely dry for inland areas, as is usual in northerlies.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Solar Cycles
06 January 2016 21:53:08


 


Indeed Jas , of course much better if the 0 was knocked off the 240 and we were looking at a 24h chart eh.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 

How come you're not posting JFF charts Marcus, we haven't had much fun thus far this winter.

Col
  • Col
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06 January 2016 21:58:00


 


 


Indeed he seemed to suggest a good chance of a longer cold spell that what's currently on the Meto website.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


And passing the buck to Helen Willets tomorrow to tell us know how long it will last!


Col
Bolton, Lancashire
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Solar Cycles
06 January 2016 22:00:49
As previous winters have shown we don't need a SSW event to get cold to these shores (it's not in the bag yet I know), what does amaze me is no one saw this coming with various teleconnection gurus all left scratching their heads or proclaiming tropical wave activity in such a place was the precursor for changes in the MJO. The simple fact is we're still a million miles off forecasting beyond the short range with any degree of accuracy.
Arcus
06 January 2016 22:01:12


 


Reckon Wednesday for the South with nothing significant until after that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650396


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 



Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
eddied
06 January 2016 22:04:14
Pretty good update from JH given the range.

I saw a post about high SSTs at the moment from someone. It was about ten minutes ago so about 15 pages back now. Question - if cold air is flooding down, does that not increase the chance of convective / 'lake effect' snow? I'm hoping for that holy grail, the Thames streamer, but even 'lows in the flow' that come with a good northerly would be good.
Location: Reigate, Surrey 105m ASL

Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
Gooner
06 January 2016 22:05:13

As previous winters have shown we don't need a SSW event to get cold to these shores (it's not in the bag yet I know), what does amaze me is no one saw this coming with various teleconnection gurus all left scratching their heads or proclaiming tropical wave activity in such a place was the precursor for changes in the MJO. The simple fact is we're still a million miles off forecasting beyond the short range with any degree of accuracy.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Spot on , look at how many on here ( experienced people ) were looking towards the end of Jan / early Feb.


Of course we might end up with frosts and snow showers up N and that is our lot, but currently the charts suggest a little more ,


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Arcus
06 January 2016 22:05:32
GFS Pub Run goes for a comedy Channel Low at T+102! Keep it real Guys, please.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Gooner
06 January 2016 22:07:04


18z so far


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
06 January 2016 22:08:24


Temps from the 114 chart.


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gandalf The White
06 January 2016 22:13:13


 


Reckon Wednesday for the South with nothing significant until after that. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2650396


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


But that link shows maxima of 6C from Monday?


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Bertwhistle
06 January 2016 22:18:14


 


But that link shows maxima of 6C from Monday?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Hover over the temperature range option. Wednesday shows a minimum in the max temp range of 1C; Tuesday's is higher. I suppose they're talking possibilities and probabilities.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
Retire while you can still press the 'retire now' button.
Gooner
06 January 2016 22:18:34


Temps continue to fall


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


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