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Gavin D
18 July 2016 18:37:50
30.0C recorded at Kew Gardens and St James's Park - The hottest day of the day so far
ghawes
18 July 2016 18:44:20
25c here in Crail when I got home. Warmest day since July 2013.
Graeme
East Neuk of Fife



Larry Seinfeld
18 July 2016 18:46:36


Back to today - the temperature reports for 11:50/12:00 (depending on the station) are remarkably uniform across the southern half of England; the vast majority reported either 23 or 24*C. Winds are also very light away from the immediate coast and this is leading to an already stifling feel.


Despite far more sunshine, the temps are similar to where yesterday was at this time - testament to the little bit more cooling that the clearer skies allowed to take place last night.


This morning has been all about solar input - but as the day continues, we'll have the Spanish Plume slowly but steadily advancing from the south, helping temperatures to keep on rising until perhaps as late as 6 pm quite widely.


By arriving so slowly and during the daytime, this particular plume will be able to establish itself firmly at the surface, as opposed to riding up and over cooler surface air such as could occur if the plume was arriving more quickly and/or in the cooler part of the day. I believe this is what paves the way for some unusually high overnight minimums, and perhaps even a UK Max somewhere in the top 1% of recorded values (i.e. 35*C).


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


Thanks for your contribution Stormchaser. I'm sure I speak for everybody when I say your contributions to this website are excellent and the stats and the insight you give are something that we all look forward hearing!


 


I just also want to say to Retron thanks for being a part of the thread. I don't agree with Retron ( he likes it cool ) he likes very different weather to me but I agree with his knowledge and when he speaks I listen. i'm pretty sure thats the same for anyone around here.


Tim A
18 July 2016 18:48:20
High was 25.7c here at about half six after the patchy cloud disapeared . Now 24.9c.
Tim
NW Leeds
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picturesareme
18 July 2016 18:49:29


 


Hi thanks for the explanation of how you record temps. But I wasn't actually pointing you out I was making a general statement that we have to be careful with personal weather stations. You make a good point though which I think agrees with mine that stuff like like tarmac can make a big difference. The problem is we don't have all the official weather stations that we used to have so realistically its possible for a location to record higher temps than the max that we officailly get but it won't be officially accepted. Its just one of those things.


Originally Posted by: Larry Seinfeld 


ive a different way I record the temps by day but I largely use local stations and regional knowledge, though sadly one of those local stations Solent was taken down by the metoffice ๐Ÿ˜•


I think this general area is fairly unique in the UK, the whole Solent region is basically one flat basin.


I don't understand why the metoffice have removed a lot of the coastal stations, and yet have kept some ridiculous ones like Heathrow & Gatwick. 


 

Larry Seinfeld
18 July 2016 18:55:35

27.7C today was the high I don't think its going to get any higher. Currently 26.7C.


Ulric
18 July 2016 19:00:24
I recorded 29.9C today. It was jolly warm!

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Larry Seinfeld
18 July 2016 19:05:02


 


ive a different way I record the temps by day but I largely use local stations and regional knowledge, though sadly one of those local stations Solent was taken down by the metoffice ๐Ÿ˜•


I think this general area is fairly unique in the UK, the whole Solent region is basically one flat basin.


I don't understand why the metoffice have removed a lot of the coastal stations, and yet have kept some ridiculous ones like Heathrow & Gatwick. 


 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I agree. Meto can be way off the mark here. There's a huge difference in temps when the town is built on seven hills with deep valleys. Sadly at this time we probably don't really know the actual temp and its all meto's fault. They want to crowd source with personal weather stations rather than actually having many more professional official stations in relevant locations.


picturesareme
18 July 2016 19:10:28
29.7C @ Northolt today ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ
Bertwhistle
18 July 2016 19:30:10

For clarity here are the for Southern England Originally Posted by: doctormog 

">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/averages/maps/southernengland/7100_1km/MinTemp_Average_1971-2000_7.gif


Thanks Doc; it's always reassuring that the reality perspective enters into these discussions too.


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LeedsLad123
18 July 2016 19:31:06

29.7C @ Northolt today ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


30.0C at St James's Park and Kew Gardens. 


Models under-estimated the temps today. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Crepuscular Ray
18 July 2016 19:31:42

25c here in Crail when I got home. Warmest day since July 2013.

Originally Posted by: ghawes 


At last Graeme! Only 24 here but feels great!


 


Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Bertwhistle
18 July 2016 19:34:08

Max today 28.0C after a cooler night than before. Expect 30 tomorrow.


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bradders
18 July 2016 19:37:46

max today 27.2C. But regarding personal weather stations not giving accurate readings I also checked the nearest MetO official site to here, Rostherne No2, 9 miles away.


That shows today`s maximum as 26C.



Eric. Cheadle Hulme, Stockport.
Essan
18 July 2016 19:39:41


 


I agree. Meto can be way off the mark here. There's a huge difference in temps when the town is built on seven hills with deep valleys. Sadly at this time we probably don't really know the actual temp and its all meto's fault. They want to crowd source with personal weather stations rather than actually having many more professional official stations in relevant locations.

Originally Posted by: Larry Seinfeld 




Aye, it would be nice to have a MetO station in every community, even every street .... but thats just not possible.   And taking out unrepresentative, over-exposed, stations is hardly a set back...  IMO

Meanwhile, for the Solent area we have publicly available data from Eastleigh

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3865.html

and  Thorney Island

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3872.html


 


Andy
Evesham, Worcs, Albion - 35m asl
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LeedsLad123
18 July 2016 19:45:40





Aye, it would be nice to have a MetO station in every community, even every street .... but thats just not possible.   And taking out unrepresentative, over-exposed, stations is hardly a set back...  IMO

Meanwhile, for the Solent area we have publicly available data from Eastleigh

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3865.html

and  Thorney Island

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3872.html


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Met Office have woeful station coverage compared to NOAA in the US, they really do have weather stations there for many suburbs not just major cities. 


In any case, stations like Benson are not representative of even Benson itself given it is one of the UK's most prominent frost hollows. Meanwhile, the Met Office close Leeds Weather Centre and Church Fenton, leaving Leeds without a representative nearby weather station for accurate data. Yet many other city centre stations in places like London, Sheffield and Edinburgh continue to exist. St. James's park is obviously going to be affected by the urban heat island significantly. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Bertwhistle
18 July 2016 19:51:46


 


Met Office have woeful station coverage compared to NOAA in the US, they really do have weather stations there for many suburbs not just major cities. 


In any case, stations like Benson are not representative of even Benson itself given it is one of the UK's most prominent frost hollows. Meanwhile, the Met Office close Leeds Weather Centre and Church Fenton, leaving Leeds without a representative nearby weather station for accurate data. Yet many other city centre stations in places like London, Sheffield and Edinburgh continue to exist. St. James's park is obviously going to be affected by the urban heat island significantly. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


That is all very true; and Heathrow is a highly suspect station considering the high levels of heating over the runways; not purely representative of the 'W of London' region that, say, Slough would be.


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Bertwhistle
18 July 2016 20:01:40





Aye, it would be nice to have a MetO station in every community, even every street .... but thats just not possible.   And taking out unrepresentative, over-exposed, stations is hardly a set back...  IMO

Meanwhile, for the Solent area we have publicly available data from Eastleigh

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3865.html

and  Thorney Island

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3872.html


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Agreed; Eastleigh data is likely to be too high due to its airport setting.


The unofficial status of a station is not (alone) important. What matters in any measurement is standardisation. Apparatus, exposure, resolution and professional integrity underpin accurate recording. But-hey; this is probably transgressing the thread remit.


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bledur
18 July 2016 20:11:03


 


Agreed; Eastleigh data is likely to be too high due to its airport setting.


The unofficial status of a station is not (alone) important. What matters in any measurement is standardisation. Apparatus, exposure, resolution and professional integrity underpin accurate recording. But-hey; this is probably transgressing the thread remit.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

Eastleigh Airport is not really that inaccurate as it is a very small area of tarmac/concrete runway. In fact coming in to land on a flight from Manchester i over heard some Mancunians wondering if we we going to land on the grassBigGrin as they perceived it to be very small.

picturesareme
18 July 2016 20:33:33





Aye, it would be nice to have a MetO station in every community, even every street .... but thats just not possible.   And taking out unrepresentative, over-exposed, stations is hardly a set back...  IMO

Meanwhile, for the Solent area we have publicly available data from Eastleigh

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3865.html

and  Thorney Island

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/world-weather/weather-stations/obsid/3872.html


 


Originally Posted by: Essan 


There is almost 24 miles between lee on solent and Thorney - and Thorney can not be used to represent the general Solent region! It's a desolate salt marsh island on the outter edges of the Solent... Even Hayling Island gets warmer. 

picturesareme
18 July 2016 20:45:53


 


30.0C at St James's Park and Kew Gardens. 


Models under-estimated the temps today. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


where is that officially stated? Link please ๐Ÿ˜Š


i only have here..


 


http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/pmextremes.html

Larry Seinfeld
18 July 2016 20:47:55

I agree with Leedslad that we have far too few official weather stations in this country. We get all these official reports and yet the stations can be far from where the hot spots where. We don't have a set-up to record accuretly in this country. The hot spots will always be the official stations. That could be many miles away from the actual high temp.


Arcus
18 July 2016 20:51:29
27.5c the max here today, currently 22.5c
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Essan
18 July 2016 21:00:17


 


where is that officially stated? Link please ๐Ÿ˜Š


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 



MetO Twitter feed


Andy
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Essan
18 July 2016 21:08:49


I agree with Leedslad that we have far too few official weather stations in this country. We get all these official reports and yet the stations can be far from where the hot spots where. We don't have a set-up to record accuretly in this country. The hot spots will always be the official stations. That could be many miles away from the actual high temp.


Originally Posted by: Larry Seinfeld 



I think we have a pretty good, comprehensive network

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-network/#?tab=climateNetwork

Though I appreciate that some wont be happy unless there is a synop station in every backyard....

But, wait, isnt that what the MetOs WOW is all about?


Although as we all know, our own readings are not normally taken in standard exposure.   Maybe we should knock down the house next door to give us better readings?  I am sure they would understand



(btw latest studies show that weather geeks are the most argumentative geeks on the planet.  This may or may not be relevent )


 


 


Andy
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