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Arcus
23 January 2018 21:21:09
I would advise Team Tena to don the dry pants. I always find it bizarre that anyone would comment on the fluctuations of the models after T+180 as any kind of certainty, but still they come....
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
nsrobins
23 January 2018 21:34:20

I would advise Team Tena to don the dry pants. I always find it bizarre that anyone would comment on the fluctuations of the models after T+180 as any kind of certainty, but still they come....

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Indeed. Big birthday this year Ben? Ten years since Kinsley, Kansas 😎 How about putting all this chasing cold behind you and get stuck into some proper weather. 


Wanna take a ride?


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
NickR
23 January 2018 21:38:58


 


Most of us, even some of the diehards on the other side have accepted we are chasing rainbows this winter. I have totally lost interest now, I only briefly scan the ens means and that's it


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


This winter has already delivered some decent events to large parts of the country. There are still over 5 weeks of winter left, and over 2 months when decent wintry weather is very possible. 


Nick
Durham
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some faraway beach
23 January 2018 22:06:49


 


 


Agreed. I think about the only thing we can take from the ensembles is that after this weekend, high pressure is likely to be largely in control for the next 10 days: http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Disappointing lack of frosts in that 2m temp graph. Presumably they're anticipating mostly gloomy, cloudy highs?


Re the Met Office omerta following the fire, I'm purely guessing, but it might have something to do with any insurance claim. You don't want people offering comments which could prejudice that.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
Stolen Snowman
23 January 2018 22:20:54


 


This winter has already delivered some decent events to large parts of the country. There are still over 5 weeks of winter left, and over 2 months when decent wintry weather is very possible. 


Originally Posted by: NickR 


It can seem that unless we’re locked into a ‘63 style whiteout in the models with full agreement well into FI then there’s mass dispondency! 


The positives are that we have broken the pattern of the last few winters although in the south it may be little consolation. There’s not a sniff of a ‘zonality challenge’ this year and we’ve still got February to play for. It bodes better, even if it doesn’t arrive this winter...


Good usable weather tonight for cycling to the pub.


Statistics prove that the period just after records began witnessed some of the most extreme weather ever recorded. Records were being broken on a frequency that has not been repeated since.
Posting live from a pub somewhere in Burton upon Trent
tallyho_83
23 January 2018 23:21:38


 


 


I'll give a little historical analogy. GFS looks a bit like late January 2003 in FI. Who remembers the infamous M11 snow event?




Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


That was a thunder snow' event in Jan 2003 if I remember?


That 12z chart showing northerly or north westerly has now been replaced by west south westerly for 4th Feb:



 


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Karl Guille
23 January 2018 23:27:26
Only got as far as perturbation 1 on the 18z!!
http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018012318/gens-1-1-288.png 
St. Sampson
Guernsey
ballamar
24 January 2018 00:00:45

Only got as far as perturbation 1 on the 18z!!
Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

">http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018012318/gens-1-1-288.png


 


would make for interesting weather!

tallyho_83
24 January 2018 02:07:34


">http://modeles7.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2018012318/gens-1-1-288.png

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


would make for interesting weather!



and that No one was the coldest one!


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Retron
24 January 2018 05:30:43

Number 20, please!



(Still the odd easterly on the ensembles, still nowhere as good overall as a couple of days ago, still next to no chance of happening.)


Leysdown, north Kent
JACKO4EVER
24 January 2018 06:46:47
Morning all, the odd straggler run bringing an easterly, otherwise milder and hopefully drying out a bit.
Sevendust
24 January 2018 07:25:21


Number 20, please!



(Still the odd easterly on the ensembles, still nowhere as good overall as a couple of days ago, still next to no chance of happening.)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Yes I spotted that in the pack and thought of you! 

ballamar
24 January 2018 07:29:50


Number 20, please!



(Still the odd easterly on the ensembles, still nowhere as good overall as a couple of days ago, still next to no chance of happening.)


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


isnt that roughly when Feb 91 started with the cold?

hobensotwo
24 January 2018 09:12:58

Morning all, the odd straggler run bringing an easterly, otherwise milder and hopefully drying out a bit.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Like you say the odd straggler/carrot to keep us interested.


However if roles were reveresed and it was a predominantly cold outlook, I think the odd mild straggler would give me concern.


Still enough to keep me interested at the moment.

Phil G
24 January 2018 09:31:51
Still a long time away yet, but this one would be trouble for those right down the east coast in flood prone areas.
Very high spring tides, strong NNE winds with low pressure close by, the worst combination.

ECM at 240
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif 

GFS has a similar set up, but at 192
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1921.gif 

The Beast from the East
24 January 2018 10:29:40

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=204&mode=1&carte=1


a brief burst of cold air from the east to start the final month of winter


 


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The Beast from the East
24 January 2018 10:31:10

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=210&mode=2


Darren might see a few snow grains


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Russwirral
24 January 2018 10:35:43

oooh, so close on this run...


 


you can smell the cold air in France....


 


Netweather GFS Image


The Beast from the East
24 January 2018 10:39:20

problem is how to build it further north. Maybe another 100 miles at best which may deliver something for the SE


"We have some alternative facts for you"
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hobensotwo
24 January 2018 10:41:26


oooh, so close on this run...


 


you can smell the cold air in France....


 


Netweather GFS Image


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I would be feeling it


The possibility is certainly there. Maybe a bit higher now the OP has chosen a slightly colder route?

Russwirral
24 January 2018 10:57:56


 


I would be feeling it


The possibility is certainly there. Maybe a bit higher now the OP has chosen a slightly colder route?


Originally Posted by: hobensotwo 


 


Yeh, and the next run the position will be slightly different again.  This is roulette at the moment.. sooner or later our chips will come in... hopefully that will be at T-0 and not T240.


 


 


Phil G
24 January 2018 11:07:51
Agree its a trend at the moment to the thinking (albeit low confidence) of high pressure to the north and low pressure to the south providing airflow more from an easterly direction.
There are features to get out of the way first and if just one of those doesn't behave as forecast will impact further out.
Rob K
24 January 2018 12:02:53


problem is how to build it further north. Maybe another 100 miles at best which may deliver something for the SE


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Trouble is the heights stay very low to the north, keeping the HP too far south.


 



 


The ridge over Alaska simply serves to push the vortex over towards our side of the Arctic and squash the block southwards.


 


Looks like another major cold plunge into the USA, too, with another dose of snow for northern Florida?


 



 


The -4C isotherm even briefly makes it into Mexico!



Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
tallyho_83
24 January 2018 12:12:15


 


Trouble is the heights stay very low to the north, keeping the HP too far south.


 



 


The ridge over Alaska simply serves to push the vortex over towards our side of the Arctic and squash the block southwards.


 


Looks like another major cold plunge into the USA, too, with another dose of snow for northern Florida?


 



 


The -4C isotherm even briefly makes it into Mexico!



Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yet La Nina winters are meant to provide milder and warmer weather or most southern states and it turns out it's the exact opposite.


Last year it was most of Eastern Europe in the freezer for weeks and this winter it's most of the eastern 2/3rds of the USA and Canada in the freezer for weeks.


The problem is that HP is building over Alaska instead of Greenland is this correct? -If I rightly remember we were in the wrong side of the blocking last winter too!? Is it  just our luck despite being in a La Nina and easterly QBO or just sods law!?



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