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ballamar
16 November 2018 17:41:34


 


 


Yes ..I think they want to break the block down quicker on the 12z run.  But at least any milder weather will be short lived and plus one has to remember it's November only so ...it's not be all end all. We still have winter. My guess is that it may turn less cold early December before  becoming blocked again. The Nao and AO are both negative too so I can't see any return to zonality.


Greetings from Budapest 7 days with no rain or drizzle.etc daytime temps of 16 to 17c. Crazy. All change app  though!


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


guess or because what the met office say?!!

Ally Pally Snowman
16 November 2018 17:44:15


 


 


Yes plenty of fun and games in the ensembles the Op was just about the worst outcome. 


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Rob K
16 November 2018 18:30:39


 


Yes I saw that we went from a raw easterly with -8 uppers to a mild South westerly with +8 uppers....


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Is this cold spell ending before it's even started or is it me? Only Op run on 25th...that would be one heck of a downgrade of the 12z run verifies.


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


You can't really talk about "downgrades" when deep cold was only ever shown on the shores of la-la land at 240hrs+. It's going to cool down significantly from the beginning of next week. After next weekend, nobody really knows. The Met think it will continue cool, the Beeb think it will warm up. So expect models to waver between both options for a while yet.


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Whether Idle
16 November 2018 18:31:31

ECM 12z depicting a 3 day cool snap with less chilly air edging in at 144 as then low anchors off Biscay/ SW approaches~:



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Gavin D
16 November 2018 18:33:14
ECM still not interested in long-term cold

A few cold days then it eases away
Hippydave
16 November 2018 18:36:31

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Thought I'd stick the ens up - Op a warm outlier, with a majority going with a continuation of the chilly to cold weather. Based purely on the GFS ens set the most likely outcome is for colder weather to win, in a mostly blocked scenario. There's a lower chance of less cold weather as shown by the scatter from circa 24-26th November and thereafter and a small chance of it turning milder than average. Down south at least there's not a strong signal for rain although it won't be universally dry.


If the stragglers start turning into a solid cluster then confidence in a milder solution will grow, but at the moment it's not the favoured outcome. 


Whether the ECM Op picks a colder or milder option in its FI run later on is not massively relevant - whether the Ens support the Op is more relevant and if the ens are split, what the clusters are like.


I find life a little more balanced if I look at the ens before the Op - less highs/lows that way


Should just mention I'm far from convinced we're going to get a decent cold spell out of this set up (I/e one with near ice days and snow) but it remains possible whilst the models support a set up that can bring decent cold to our shores


 


 


 


 


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White Meadows
16 November 2018 18:38:38

ECM still not interested in long-term cold

A few cold days then it eases away

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


good, I could do without cranking the heating up for too long.


broad scale signals suggest otherwise however:


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.sprd2.gif


AO an important factor as well as NAO when it comes to the bigger picture & what might affect us longer term. 

Ally Pally Snowman
16 November 2018 18:38:42

ECM looks very good at 168h for a NE attack lets see


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Hippydave
16 November 2018 18:44:31


 


Indeed.


How it's possible to look at that ECM 168 chart and say it's not a set up that's promising for cold weather is a bit baffling. The NH view shows a split PV with blocking either side of the pole and a big cold pool over Russian and Eastern Europe. 


If the block stays put and/or reinvigorates (and up to T168 it's not exactly running away from the virtually non existent Atlantic) then it's a very promising set up indeed for longer term cold.


May not happen of course as it's FI territory but as you say interesting overall if you like colder weather


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Brian Gaze
16 November 2018 19:04:15

Locking in 2 mins.


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