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picturesareme
04 June 2020 18:37:53


Warmest GEFS of the year. Hopefully it verifies very autumnal today


 


 



 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


moomin might need counseling if this comes off. laughing

SJV
04 June 2020 18:39:54
I'm treating the 12z with as much caution as the previous 'horror show' opposites, tbh. Too many variables to decide on at the moment with the output pretty volatile post t+144.
Ally Pally Snowman
04 June 2020 18:43:17

Lovely ECM tonight


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
04 June 2020 18:43:47


 


moomin might need counseling if this comes off. laughing


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Nah, I won't, I really won't. But I don't think it will come off anyway. Far too much risk and volatility for that.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
SJV
04 June 2020 18:45:26


Nah, I won't, I really won't. But I don't think it will come off anyway. Far too much risk and volatility for that.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The same goes for the recent poor operational runs though, surely? The ones you're happy to use to write off the month? 

moomin75
04 June 2020 18:55:14


 


The same goes for the recent poor operational runs though, surely? The ones you're happy to use to write off the month? 


Originally Posted by: SJV 

Unsettled charts invariably verify much more frequently than settled in this neck of the woods.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
SJV
04 June 2020 19:05:11


Unsettled charts invariably verify much more frequently than settled in this neck of the woods.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Sorry but that isn't remotely true.

Downpour
04 June 2020 20:28:18


Unsettled charts invariably verify much more frequently than settled in this neck of the woods.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Unless you live next a microclimate I’m not aware of, that surely isn’t the case in June!


Chingford
London E4
147ft
Sevendust
04 June 2020 21:01:13

Ensembles look OK to me. Steady agreement as well into FI as can often be the case in a more stable summer pattern

picturesareme
04 June 2020 21:30:51


 


Unless you live next a microclimate I’m not aware of, that surely isn’t the case in June!


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


You mean planet moomin which can be found orbiting as a binary with Aberdeen rich 

Downpour
04 June 2020 23:14:46


 


You mean planet moomin which can be found orbiting as a binary with Aberdeen rich 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


It’s extraordinary the huge differences in climate between Moomin’s back garden and Jiries’ shed, despite their being just 50 miles or so apart. 


Chingford
London E4
147ft
picturesareme
05 June 2020 00:09:31


 


It’s extraordinary the huge differences in climate between Moomin’s back garden and Jiries’ shed, despite their being just 50 miles or so apart. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


i'd forgotten all about jires  Hope he is ok, but yeah i suppose he could be compering moomin's and Rich's


weather to to Toronto, sub saharah, or some other far flung destination

Heavy Weather 2013
05 June 2020 05:05:57
Fantastic run this morning from GFS. High pressure coming back strongly
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
05 June 2020 05:56:52


 


i'd forgotten all about jires  Hope he is ok, but yeah i suppose he could be compering moomin's and Rich's


weather to to Toronto, sub saharah, or some other far flung destination


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


I miss Jiries. Does anyone know what’s happened to him?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
DEW
  • DEW
  • Advanced Member
05 June 2020 06:56:41

GFS - after the weekend LP moves away to the NE, Azores High builds in to cover the UK by Thu 11th. The centre then moves across to Norway but by Tue 15th has linked with a revived Azores High, and this ridge sticks around to Sun 21st with occasional interference by weak (?thundery) LP from the south.


GEFS cool to Thu 11th then consistently above average temp throughout  (very warm for most of it in Scotland) and good agreement between runs, with occasional bits of rain on and off, throughout in the S but dry in Scotland ca. Mon 8th - Mon 15th.


ECM similar but with deeper LP over Portugal on Mon 15th


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
Ally Pally Snowman
05 June 2020 06:57:36

Fantastic run this morning from GFS. High pressure coming back strongly

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


True and ECM and ICON similar this morning. But Ukmo and GEM have the Icelandic low over the UK in the 120h period. So squeaky bum time .


But for my money it just delays the return of summer by a few days. All roads lead to a hot easterly at the moment.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
moomin75
05 June 2020 06:59:59
My money is on the UKMO. You would be a fool to back against our own model, especially at the 96-120 hour range. It will become increasing unsettled and cool next week and June will remain very disappointing.
Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Ally Pally Snowman
05 June 2020 07:08:32

My money is on the UKMO. You would be a fool to back against our own model, especially at the 96-120 hour range. It will become increasing unsettled and cool next week and June will remain very disappointing.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


But the GEM is similar this morning to the UK and it still manages to bring in the heat by day 8. Ive said for a while now that a hot easterly is on the cards for June and it still looks like the case. The Atlantic is dead and Europe is getting very hot and humid hopefully some sultry days and big thunderstorms to come.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
doctormog
05 June 2020 07:08:57

My money is on the UKMO. You would be a fool to back against our own model, especially at the 96-120 hour range. It will become increasing unsettled and cool next week and June will remain very disappointing.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


The one that shows the low pressure slipping off south as high pressure ridges in? 


moomin75
05 June 2020 07:10:30


 


The one that shows the low pressure slipping off south as high pressure ridges in? 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Possibly, but its very precarious and the LP may get stuck and stay in situ for a considerable time.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
doctormog
05 June 2020 07:21:39


Possibly, but its very precarious and the LP may get stuck and stay in situ for a considerable time.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Yes it might, but there is no support for that scenario and there is more evidence for other scenarios.


It looks a lot like you are scrabbling around to find evidence to agree with your conclusion when most of it does not.


moomin75
05 June 2020 07:35:16


 


Yes it might, but there is no support for that scenario and there is more evidence for other scenarios.


It looks a lot like you are scrabbling around to find evidence to agree with your conclusion when most of it does not.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Not scrabbling around at all. I would gladly take the GFS/ECM scenario over UKMO/GEM.


 


I just remember back to winter hopes of the past when most models are showing very cold conditions, only for UKMO to break from the pack, and the concerns we all showed that it was significantly different.


Invariably, if the UKMO isn't on board, you need to take it with a huge pinch of salt, and I fear that next week will not be the dry and warm fest that some are hoping for or expecting.


I can tell you I hope GFS/ECM are on the money, but for me, the jury is very much out.


Witney, Oxfordshire
100m ASL
Heavy Weather 2013
05 June 2020 07:43:24


Not scrabbling around at all. I would gladly take the GFS/ECM scenario over UKMO/GEM.


 


I just remember back to winter hopes of the past when most models are showing very cold conditions, only for UKMO to break from the pack, and the concerns we all showed that it was significantly different.


Invariably, if the UKMO isn't on board, you need to take it with a huge pinch of salt, and I fear that next week will not be the dry and warm fest that some are hoping for or expecting.


I can tell you I hope GFS/ECM are on the money, but for me, the jury is very much out.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Like the other day when you took one run in isolation and picked out the CET could be between 3-4C under average. Your doing the same today and using the UKMO is isolation. I do feel you clutching at straws.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
TimS
  • TimS
  • Advanced Member
05 June 2020 07:45:09
Good news: pretty good agreement for a warm up from the East

Less good news: this is a much cloudier affair, with lower pressure and more rain risk, than what we had in April and May. Lots of mid and high level cloud likely as thunder cells over France send their outflow this way.

Set up also looks more unstable long term than this spring, with low pressure hovering around to the South throughout. But long term that’s not a bad pattern, because as the subtropical jet flips North with the Monsoon and the Med settles for July, that threat should diminish.

But a bit of warm hazy humidity will still feel summery, and the run of gin clear skies couldn’t go on forever.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
05 June 2020 10:39:12
UKMO rather out on its own this morning in dropping a low pressure down across the UK towards the end of its run, so it ends up sitting over the south coast, while ECM and GFS keep it to the north of the UK with pressure building from the south.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

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