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Brian Gaze
22 March 2020 14:10:14


Where have you seen this? Nothing on Sky News.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Guardian live feed had the details I think.


Brian Gaze
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Bugglesgate
22 March 2020 14:10:27


I'm back in a dip on the emotional roller-coaster today. Just had a text from work saying the office will be open Monday and Tuesday so staff can collect required stuff, then will be closing apart from a skeleton support staff (IT, HR, etc). I'll then be working from home until further notice. I didn't want this. I wanted to remain working part from home, part from the office. 


I hate this.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I'm still working (AFAIK) at  Diamond but we are running the machine up this week at the end of the update and maintenance period.  Only technical staff are on site aside from a skeleton of support staff to support them.  It's possible that I may get sent home partially or completely this week and be "on call"  support.


I would rather   stay on-site.  It provides a framework for the day and gives  me a small sense of normality (although the place is actually far from normal as  most offices are dark  and Users (aside from the  few engaged in Corona Virus research) have  gone.  At least parking is easy


 


 


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:11:29

Apparently the emergency bill going through Parliament next week could enable the governement to enforce measures.

Why didn’t parliament sit throughout the weekend to pass this bill?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


It's going to have amendments from MPs then has to go over to the Lords, and they need to debate and vote on it.


 


It may not pass officially until week commencing March 30th

Retron
22 March 2020 14:12:19


UK death total appears to be up 53. Oddly I think that is exactly the same as yesterday and is therefore good news. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Today's figures haven't been released yet, as far as I can tell.


https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:12:32
Scottish Government


As of 2pm today 8,679 Scottish tests have concluded

8,263 confirmed negative
416 positive

10 patients who tested positive have sadly died.



3 new deaths in Scotland
bledur
22 March 2020 14:13:31


I won't reproduce all of this article which appears in The Sunday Times today. It is in large part damning of the approach taken in the UK.


Coronavirus: did Britain get it wrong in the battle to stop the spread?


Everything you need to know about the scientific efforts to tackle Covid-19


As the fight to suppress the coronavirus pandemic grew ever more urgent last week, a two-year-old video clip from a literary festival in Wales posed an awkward question for officials still scrambling to stem the tide of infection. In May 2018 a prominent professor at Edinburgh University predicted with uncanny precision how the next major threat to UK health would evolve.


Someone in China would become infected by an animal, Devi Sridhar, the university’s professor of global public health, told an audience at the Hay Festival in Hay-on-Wye. Then they would get on a plane to Britain. If a specialist as well connected as Sridhar saw the coronavirus coming two years ago, why were we not better prepared?
...
During a discussion of government preparedness for serious health threats, Sridhar argued for a global collaborative approach. “The largest threat to the UK population is someone in China who has been infected from an animal,” she declared. “Then they get on a plane to the UK. What good is it for the UK to be worried [only] about what’s happening here? It’s about those interconnections across the world. If you want to solve those problems, you can’t do it on a go-alone approach.”


Like many other parents, Sridhar, 35, took her two children out of school last week and began working from home, where she talked at length about the insight that surfaced on that Twitter clip. She and other experts also discussed the government’s sudden change of strategy in what many consider a long-overdue effort to slow transmission of the virus and prevent the collapse of the NHS.
...
“I hope I’m not being overly critical,” Sridhar said, “but this is not the first virus to emerge from this kind of setting and many things have been done in a way they should not have been done. We should not have been this surprised.”
...
Sridhar complained on Thursday. “I still don’t fully understand who the government is listening to and what is the goal.”
...
For Sridhar the first big missed opportunity came in late January when The Lancet, Britain’s leading medical journal, published its first account of the treatment of coronavirus patients in Wuhan. “I remember seeing that first paper and, excuse my language, I was like, ‘Oh shit,’” Sridhar said. Her old prediction was about to become horribly true. “At that point we already knew the virus was going to come [to Britain] and all we could do was buy time. What we really needed was to get testing in place. But we didn’t really respond.”


The next “sobering” moment was a report by a WHO mission that had travelled to China to study the virus. The report, published on February 24, reached two crucial conclusions: first that the impending pandemic was “extremely dangerous” and “can be a devastating virus”; the second was that China had resorted to what Bruce Aylward, leader of the mission, referred to as “the most ambitious . . . agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history”. The Chinese took “old-fashioned” measures such as hand-washing and mask-wearing, and “turbo-charged” them with an “all-of-government, all-of-society” approach that included clearing giant hospitals to make way for virus patients, moving routine health services online and imposing drastic restrictions on movement.


“At this point here in the UK we just kind of sat back and waited,” Sridhar said. “At the time we should have been running simulations. How are we going to manage with 10 or 500 cases, where are we going to get ventilators, what about supply teams and tests? We have known about the clinical need from January.”
...
Today we still don’t have enough masks and gowns for medical staff. I think it’s because [the planners] messed up.” Yesterday she added by tweet: “It makes me feel nauseous how little action was taken early on. Academic navel-gazing and political in-fighting instead of bold decisive action.”
...
Yet a dramatic change of government strategy last week, finally embracing the shutdown measures adopted by other countries from the start, provoked howls of frustration from many who had been bewildered by Downing Street’s dithering about whether it might be better to allow the virus to spread so Britons acquired “herd immunity”.


“I can’t help but feel angry that it has taken almost two months for politicians and even ‘experts’ to understand the scale of the danger,” Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of The Lancet, tweeted on Tuesday. “Those dangers were clear from the very beginning. We have wasted seven weeks. This crisis was entirely preventable.”


Sridhar added: “We decided to take a different path to other countries, thinking we knew better. We should have been learning from other countries about breaking the chain of transmission, mass testing, tracing contacts. If we had started with the 25,000 tests a day they are promising only now, we would already be bending that curve [of transmission rate]. Every day that goes by [without government action] we need harsher and harsher measures.”
...
Other scientists have long been vocal on the need for more rigorous social distancing. “The thing that is troubling me is the suggestion that the science has shifted,” said Professor Alan McNally of Birmingham University. “It has not. The transmission dynamics and infectivity of the virus has not changed at all. The trajectory of the epidemic has been very predictable if one pays attention to China, Italy, Iran, Spain.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-did-britain-get-it-wrong-in-the-battle-to-stop-the-spread-ffjvgq02c


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 The virus was first reported mid November in Wuhan, probably around a bit before that. Is it any wonder it has spread as there were many movements in and out of China and round the world before any restrictions? How long has it been around in some countries at a low level which would not show till specific test,s were made?. 


 Why are all the adviser,s to the Government "wrong" whilst every other Scientist coming out from the woodwork right?Perhaps these individuals should advise rather than criticise.If they have good knowledge of  epidimeology  they should be helping the Government scientist,s , not appearing on Twitter e.t.c.

Retron
22 March 2020 14:14:04

It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious - where's the "facepalm" emoji when you need it?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/22/uk-coronavirus-live-police-could-enforce-london-lockdown-says-khan-seven-people-die-in-wales


 


The wide range of key workers whose children can still access schools when they close next week has led to an “overwhelming” demand for places, the general secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers has said.


In a video message, Paul Whiteman said:



The key workers list is very wide and may prove impossible for schools to support unless the parents of these children take very good decisions.


If you can find care for children elsewhere, please make sure they are cared for away from school.


We are getting reports of an overwhelming demand for places. This was not the plan. The plan was always to care for the very few who have nowhere else to go to help halt the spread of the virus.


Well, duh! Of course if parents are offered free childcare, a good number of them will take it no matter the risk to their kids or others. What on earth did they think would happen?



Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:15:34
UK data is delayed again. Today's figures will be published later today.
Heavy Weather 2013
22 March 2020 14:17:19


It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious - where's the "facepalm" emoji when you need it?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/22/uk-coronavirus-live-police-could-enforce-london-lockdown-says-khan-seven-people-die-in-wales


 


The wide range of key workers whose children can still access schools when they close next week has led to an “overwhelming” demand for places, the general secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers has said.


In a video message, Paul Whiteman said:



The key workers list is very wide and may prove impossible for schools to support unless the parents of these children take very good decisions.


If you can find care for children elsewhere, please make sure they are cared for away from school.


We are getting reports of an overwhelming demand for places. This was not the plan. The plan was always to care for the very few who have nowhere else to go to help halt the spread of the virus.


Well, duh! Of course if parents are offered free childcare, a good number of them will take it no matter the risk to their kids or others. What on earth did they think would happen?



Originally Posted by: Retron 


I think this is going to be a big story tomorrow. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
22 March 2020 14:18:44

Scottish Government


As of 2pm today 8,679 Scottish tests have concluded

8,263 confirmed negative
416 positive

10 patients who tested positive have sadly died.



3 new deaths in Scotland

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


How many additional cases was this Gavin?


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:20:28
'Two-hour queue' for Cornwall recycling centre as people ignore coronavirus advice.

"People in St Austell are flouting current government coronavirus travel guidelines - with a 'two-hour queue' at one recycling centre. One concerned CornwallLive reader sent in a picture, with a large queue snaking out of St Austell Household Waste Recycling Centre."The queue is at the moment two hours," he said. "There is very rarely a queue but occasionally.

"People are bringing garden waste which in their eyes is essential." The massive queues fly in the face of UK Government advice to not travel unless it is essential. There are also concerns that large numbers of holidaymakers could be heading to Cornwall to enjoy the nice weather and/or self-isolate."

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/live-queue-cornwall-recycling-centre-3972153?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar 

bledur
22 March 2020 14:21:52


It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious - where's the "facepalm" emoji when you need it?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/22/uk-coronavirus-live-police-could-enforce-london-lockdown-says-khan-seven-people-die-in-wales


 


The wide range of key workers whose children can still access schools when they close next week has led to an “overwhelming” demand for places, the general secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers has said.


In a video message, Paul Whiteman said:



The key workers list is very wide and may prove impossible for schools to support unless the parents of these children take very good decisions.


If you can find care for children elsewhere, please make sure they are cared for away from school.


We are getting reports of an overwhelming demand for places. This was not the plan. The plan was always to care for the very few who have nowhere else to go to help halt the spread of the virus.


Well, duh! Of course if parents are offered free childcare, a good number of them will take it no matter the risk to their kids or others. What on earth did they think would happen?



Originally Posted by: Retron 


 So what does a single Nurse with children and elderly parent,s do/ She is commited to working on the frontline and she needs her children to be taken care of while not in contact with the elderly?

Gandalf The White
22 March 2020 14:22:52

Apparently the emergency bill going through Parliament next week could enable the governement to enforce measures.

Why didn’t parliament sit throughout the weekend to pass this bill?

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Maybe it was still being drafted?  It won't be a straightforward task and there won't be any recent precedents on which to base it.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


bledur
22 March 2020 14:24:25

'Two-hour queue' for Cornwall recycling centre as people ignore coronavirus advice.

"People in St Austell are flouting current government coronavirus travel guidelines - with a 'two-hour queue' at one recycling centre. One concerned CornwallLive reader sent in a picture, with a large queue snaking out of St Austell Household Waste Recycling Centre."The queue is at the moment two hours," he said. "There is very rarely a queue but occasionally.

"People are bringing garden waste which in their eyes is essential." The massive queues fly in the face of UK Government advice to not travel unless it is essential. There are also concerns that large numbers of holidaymakers could be heading to Cornwall to enjoy the nice weather and/or self-isolate."

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/live-queue-cornwall-recycling-centre-3972153?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 Apparently the beach at Bournemouth is heaving.

Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:24:32


 


How many additional cases was this Gavin?


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


+43 compared to Saturday for new confirmed cases

Rob K
22 March 2020 14:25:19


 


 So what does a single Nurse with children and elderly parent,s do/ She is commited to working on the frontline and she needs her children to be taken care of while not in contact with the elderly?


Originally Posted by: bledur 


She sends her children to school, as she is the type of person the openings are for. Not for anyone and everyone who could find alternative arrangements but is too lazy or selfish. An acquaintance of my wife was up in arms that she couldn’t get key worker status. She’s a makeup artist!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gandalf The White
22 March 2020 14:26:30


 


 So what does a single Nurse with children and elderly parent,s do/ She is commited to working on the frontline and she needs her children to be taken care of while not in contact with the elderly?


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Nurses won't be the problem. It will be people trying to find an easy option.  I see it as just another angle on people being selfish: buying too much, still going out, flocking to the shops and countryside/coast.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:26:36


Apparently the beach at Bournemouth is heaving.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


Few small groups otherwise it looks fairly quiet


https://magicseaweed.com/Live-Bournemouth-Webcam/16/

Retron
22 March 2020 14:31:09


Nurses won't be the problem. It will be people trying to find an easy option.  I see it as just another angle on people being selfish: buying too much, still going out, flocking to the shops and countryside/coast.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes, judging by the reeaction of some - and I stress some - of the parents on the school's unofficial Facebook group, it seems that people are taking this entirely the wrong way, being jubilant that they've managed to get their kids accepted as opposed to disappointed that they've had to use the option which is meant as a last resort.


I fully expect 200-300 pupils to show up on Monday at work, I'm just glad I won't be there to see it! I'll try and find out during the day how many actually showed up, as I'll be working from home.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Gavin D
22 March 2020 14:31:26

Meanwhile. At Tesco...


 



Rob K
22 March 2020 14:32:58


 


 


Few small groups otherwise it looks fairly quiet


https://magicseaweed.com/Live-Bournemouth-Webcam/16/


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Yeah certainly not heaving. 


I was out on my bike earlier in the woods and on the common and there were a few people out walking and cycling but not many, and it was certainly easy to keep distant from them. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
bledur
22 March 2020 14:33:57


 


She sends her children to school, as she is the type of person the openings are for. Not for anyone and everyone who could find alternative arrangements but is too lazy or selfish. An acquaintance of my wife was up in arms that she couldn’t get key worker status. She’s a makeup artist!


Originally Posted by: Rob K 

How are selfish and lazy people doing that if they are not Keyworkers or the children from suspect homes?


 At our local primary school there will be 10 children out of 150 so i see that as genuine.

Retron
22 March 2020 14:34:19


Meanwhile. At Tesco...


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


TBH, when I eventually surface back into the world I'm tempted to do my shopping at the petrol station the other side of the Island - they're open 24/7 and I'd bet they haven't had panic buying in the same way as the supermarkets. I might even use my village shops, albeit they have a much smaller selection of everything.


We do have an awesome bakery though and I'll be using that more than usual next week I think.


(I'm just glad I got some cash out two weeks ago; the nearest free cash machine is something like 9 miles away from here. The one in the village charges £2.50 a pop).


Leysdown, north Kent
John p
22 March 2020 14:34:58
The gif in this post is fantastic and should be shared far and wide
https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/1241428108114190337?s=21 
Camberley, Surrey
bledur
22 March 2020 14:35:37


 


 


Few small groups otherwise it looks fairly quiet


https://magicseaweed.com/Live-Bournemouth-Webcam/16/


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 Oh right, i only heard that from some one who was going to go and said it looked rather busy under the circumstances.

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