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Quantum
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24 March 2020 16:52:39

We are about to (assuming every simulation isn't just a pub run due to COVID) go into a very unusual cold spell. The week will start with high pressure and high diurnal temperature ranges with temps in the  mid teens by day and subzero by night. By the weekend, however, we will see a blast of cold air from the NE bringing colder uppers than we have seen all year.



For NErn areas this is not even marginal. Any showers will fall as snow and the snow will lie during the nights (although during the day expect sleet and slush). 


The cold snap lasts until at least Tuesday (although it may be more rain by then) with further extensive nightime frosts. And there is a possibility of a 2nd wave next week.


 


Finally high pressure watch is back! We broke the Wales record a few months back. This time we are likely to break the all time UK March record which is only 1044hpa (note the 1046 isobar).


The most interesting weather to watch from your house. Don't go out and enjoy it because you should be self isolating!


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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25 March 2020 13:17:44

First cold snap showing partial thicknesses of about 127.5dm. To be sure of snow you need to be below about 129.5dm. Not even marginal. That's how cold it is on Sunday.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Tractor Boy
25 March 2020 13:30:49


First cold snap showing partial thicknesses of about 127.5dm. To be sure of snow you need to be below about 129.5dm. Not even marginal. That's how cold it is on Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


To be sure of snow we also need precipitation. Where is that coming from? It all looks very dry to me. Or is this setup conducive to streamers that are not showing on the models at this range?


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
Tim A
25 March 2020 13:35:39
When was there last meaningful snow with the 500hpa gpdm above 552? I.e the yellows/oranges on a standard 500hpa chart.


Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Gandalf The White
25 March 2020 13:40:33


 


 


To be sure of snow we also need precipitation. Where is that coming from? It all looks very dry to me. Or is this setup conducive to streamers that are not showing on the models at this range?


Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 


Shower activity as the very cold air mass moves down over the North Sea: this shows convective cloud and precipitation at midday on Sunday.



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Tractor Boy
25 March 2020 13:42:23


Shower activity as the very cold air mass moves down over the North Sea: this shows convective cloud and precipitation at midday on Sunday.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Thanks. Fingers crossed.


Dave
Farndale, North York Moors
idj20
25 March 2020 14:04:28

* Pressure.




Folkestone Harbour. 
Quantum
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25 March 2020 19:27:26


This is the kind of scenario you need to break an all time April maximun temperature record.


Heavy snow moving into a cold airmass.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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25 March 2020 19:29:30


Not forgetting the HP element of all this.


The March HP record is almost certain to fall (despite it occuring at the back end of the month)


In fact NI has an outside chance of getting to the all time record of 1051mb


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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26 March 2020 11:45:08

The underrated aspect of all of this is the HP record.


A few months back there was a bit of uncertainty whether the record would fall (it did although only in Wales).


The record will fall this time (march all time).


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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27 March 2020 15:47:39


AROME showing a few snow showers inland on Sunday morning.


The arome is really good when it comes to precip type, pretty poor though at getting shower activity right.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
27 March 2020 17:34:01


 


AROME showing a few snow showers inland on Sunday morning.


The arome is really good when it comes to precip type, pretty poor though at getting shower activity right.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


WRF 12z has pepped up the predicted shower activity a little. By Monday morning it's showing a slight covering over some eastern and central areas right down into Kent. Obviously areas with some elevation facing the NNE flow will do better as always, with rather more shower intensity and slightly lower temperatures.


 



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Quantum
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27 March 2020 17:59:55

Wow the HP is just insane. Records that could go.


 


Record / Threashold / Likelyhood


 


Highest March pressure ever / 1048.0 / Certain


First 1050hpa outside of Winter / 1050.0 / More than 50% Likely


NI all time record / 1051.0 / Probably around 30%


All time record / 1053.7 / Very unlikely


 


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
westv
27 March 2020 18:04:41
This weather pattern should assist "social distancing"
At least it will be mild!
Quantum
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27 March 2020 18:04:55


 


WRF 12z has pepped up the predicted shower activity a little. By Monday morning it's showing a slight covering over some eastern and central areas right down into Kent. Obviously areas with some elevation facing the NNE flow will do better as always, with rather more shower intensity and slightly lower temperatures.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Could be if the lake effect is rather weak that the orogrophy over the pennines provides the lift needed to produce showers. You can get situations where the lake effect produces showers well inland and not at the coast because of this. Although when it happens the showers tend to be light although they also tend to merge into continuous precipitation.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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28 March 2020 17:22:50

We are literally hours (minutes?) away from breaking the all time march HP record.


Suprised this is getting no coverage!


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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28 March 2020 19:03:48

And there we go.


Record fallen.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
John S2
28 March 2020 20:51:47


And there we go.


Record fallen.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I have seen a report that pressure at Stornoway has reached 1048.2 mb. Has it now peaked or is there a possibility it may rise further?

Quantum
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28 March 2020 21:17:26


 


I have seen a report that pressure at Stornoway has reached 1048.2 mb. Has it now peaked or is there a possibility it may rise further?


Originally Posted by: John S2 


Going to rise further. 1050+ is likely, and this will be the first time it has ever happened outside winter.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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29 March 2020 04:06:08

Aaaand. That record has now also fallen.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whether Idle
29 March 2020 05:47:48

Some very beefy showers forming in southern North Sea which may affect the Kent coast around 9am.  Keep an eye out, may be the first (albeit very wet and sleety) snow Ive seen falling in 2 years.  Last time I can remember seeing snow falling IMBY was March 2018.  


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Quantum
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29 March 2020 06:31:41


Some very beefy showers forming in southern North Sea which may affect the Kent coast around 9am.  Keep an eye out, may be the first (albeit very wet and sleety) snow Ive seen falling in 2 years.  Last time I can remember seeing snow falling IMBY was March 2018.  


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


In the NE the snow is quite dry and powdery. Should be easily cold enough for some wet snow in the SE. Those showers off the kent coast look incredibly beefy.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Retron
29 March 2020 06:33:48


In the NE the snow is quite dry and powdery. Should be easily cold enough for some wet snow in the SE. Those showers off the kent coast look incredibly beefy.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It's the same old thing down here, by the looks of it - the first band of showers is fizzling out as it approaches Kent. The second, heaver band looks a better prospect, but it's a long way out still.


Should any of the showers make it here, I'll let you know what they contain!


EDIT: And according to GFS, at least, it's -10C at 850 here... several degrees below the coldest recorded last winter and remarkably low for the time of year.


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
29 March 2020 07:08:32

Light (a few flakes TBH) snow shower here a few minutes ago.


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Chunky Pea
29 March 2020 07:22:45

Reading 1048.1 mb here currently, while Malin Hd on the very north coast is reading 1050 mb, so the March record of 1047.1 mb recorded all the way back on the 13th back in 1900 is gone. All time highest reading in Ireland is 1051.9 mb, which I doubt will be broken this time around but there is a few hours of opportunity this morning before pressure starts to recede again in the afternoon. 


I will add, just for a bit of fun, that the end of March 1816 saw a strong high located in a similar position as the current one. Let's hope that we don't get to see a similar summer! 


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