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Brian Gaze
06 April 2020 21:06:43

This is a great idea and one we should copy in the UK:


Most people recover within a week, but if their symptoms worsen or they still have a high temperature at the end of that time, the instruction is to fill in a form on the NHS 111 coronavirus website if they can – and to call NHS 111 only if they cannot do that. Depending on their answers, they may get a visit from a doctor or be admitted to hospital. 


Health authorities in the southern German city of Heidelberg have introduced a “corona taxi” service, which allows medical personnel to visit patients with the virus at home and assess their progress. This was introduced after virologists and other doctors recognised that it often comes in two waves and that typically on the eighth day, patients’ health can take a turn for the worse.


Patients with confirmed infections or suspected to have coronavirus are being called on a regular basis by student doctors manning phone lines, and based on their accounts, a taxi crew can then arrange to visit them.


Four of the taxis – small buses usually used for school runs – are constantly travelling around the city visiting patients.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/fears-britons-self-isolating-covid-19-seek-help-too-late


 


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xioni2
06 April 2020 21:10:27

Stats from hospital trusts and GP surgeries according to the Doctor's Association UK:


72% of doctors cannot get hold of an FFP3 mask when they need one.
77% report shortages of long-sleeved gowns.
43% cannot always use a visor or goggles when they need them.

Justin W
06 April 2020 21:10:29


 


yes it was, there are zero reliable reports  that he was on a ventilator this morning. All the news outlets and government sources are saying that he was moved to an ICU this afternoon, and there is still no indication that he is on a ventilator. I would suspect that he will be though at some stage.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


I will let you accusing me of lying go. 


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fairweather
06 April 2020 21:28:28

There are some slightly hysterical (not in the funny sense)comments appearing here. As far as we know the PM is not at death's door. His death is not a foregone conclusion. If it helps I have a 72 year old previously healthy acquaintance in hospital on a ventilator. It's early days but after three days his breathing has improved and he is breathing with less assistance now. I don't know how it will pan out but people do recover after ventilation. The PM will get the best possible care. He has a good chance.


Keep calm and carry on isolating.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Gavin D
06 April 2020 21:31:18
Spain's 24 hour update reports 5,029 new cases and 700 new deaths

New cases down by 554

New deaths up by 6
xioni2
06 April 2020 21:31:25

The mishandling of the Italian outbreak by the European governments (including ours) has been monumental. N.Italy is a proper economic hub, it has heavy industries, services and a lot of tourism (and Feb was skiing time and half term for most of Europe). It's also geographically in the centre of Europe and it has a huge flow of people both to neighbouring countries, but also to other hubs like the UK. easyjet has 7 flights daily from Gatwick to Milan alone!


I still don't understand why people who have been there were not screened upon their return in February, when we knew that the number of infections had started to rise there and we all knew about the mortality rates, the ventilators etc. And I am not saying this with hindsight!


 

Justin W
06 April 2020 21:39:33


There are some slightly hysterical (not in the funny sense)comments appearing here. As far as we know the PM is not at death's door. His death is not a foregone conclusion. If it helps I have a 72 year old previously healthy acquaintance in hospital on a ventilator. It's early days but after three days his breathing has improved and he is breathing with less assistance now. I don't know how it will pan out but people do recover after ventilation. The PM will get the best possible care. He has a good chance.


Keep calm and carry on isolating.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


This is a sensible post.


However, once you accept that Downing St has deliberately sought to allay concern about him and to manage the trickle of bad news, and by deflecting questions about the severity of his symptoms then it becomes obvious (to me at least) that he is gravely ill.


Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
RobN
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06 April 2020 21:46:51


 


This is a sensible post.


However, once you accept that Downing St has deliberately sought to allay concern about him and to manage the trickle of bad news, and by deflecting questions about the severity of his symptoms then it becomes obvious (to me at least) that he is gravely ill.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Trying to conceal the truth about anything is bad at the best of times, but doing so in this situation of national crisis is orders of magnitude worse, because it gives the public the idea that you cannot trust anything the government is saying which is the last thing we need right now. 


Rob
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DEW
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06 April 2020 21:46:59


There are some slightly hysterical (not in the funny sense)comments appearing here. As far as we know the PM is not at death's door. His death is not a foregone conclusion. If it helps I have a 72 year old previously healthy acquaintance in hospital on a ventilator. It's early days but after three days his breathing has improved and he is breathing with less assistance now. I don't know how it will pan out but people do recover after ventilation. The PM will get the best possible care. He has a good chance.


Keep calm and carry on isolating.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


A weather analogy as this is a weather forum: if in successive forecasts a depression out on the Atlantic is progressively placed deeper and closer than the previous run while the Met Office treats it as a routine event, you can be sure that when it arrives it will be bad news.


Boris' illness has been following a similar track; each bulletin has disclosed a more serious condition than previously while simultaneously denying that anything serious is going on. Boris isn't dead yet, not by a long way, but my prediction is that he will be so seriously ill as to be unable to carry on as PM for some weeks.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

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David M Porter
06 April 2020 21:50:25


The mishandling of the Italian outbreak by the European governments (including ours) has been monumental. N.Italy is a proper economic hub, it has heavy industries, services and a lot of tourism (and Feb was skiing time and half term for most of Europe). It's also geographically in the centre of Europe and it has a huge flow of people both to neighbouring countries, but also to other hubs like the UK. easyjet has 7 flights daily from Gatwick to Milan alone!


I still don't understand why people who have been there were not screened upon their return in February, when we knew that the number of infections had started to rise there and we all knew about the mortality rates, the ventilators etc. And I am not saying this with hindsight!


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Well said, xioni.


As far as our government is concerned, the first mistake they made IMO was in not going public about the threat that COVID-19 posed to this country back at the end of January, when a couple of Chinese tourists visiting York tested positive thereby becoming the first confirmed cases of it in the UK. The second mistake they made was in not acting in February when it became abundantly clear to all that the situation with the virus in Italy was deteriorating fast on a day-to-day basis. It beats me why people from this country were still being allowed to travel there when it was known that the situation there was getting so bad, and why people returning here from Italy and other countries known to be affected by the outbreak to the UK at that time were not screened when they returned here.


These steps and others which have been mentioned by MM and others, are ones that could and should have been taken by our government and others in western Europe (and the USA too) which would


(a) have had a much less draconian effect on people's day-to-day lives, and


(b) very likely have prevented many people from becoming ill in the first place, and almost certainly have saved many lives.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
xioni2
06 April 2020 21:53:41


There are some slightly hysterical (not in the funny sense)comments appearing here. As far as we know the PM is not at death's door. His death is not a foregone conclusion. If it helps I have a 72 year old previously healthy acquaintance in hospital on a ventilator. It's early days but after three days his breathing has improved and he is breathing with less assistance now. I don't know how it will pan out but people do recover after ventilation. The PM will get the best possible care. He has a good chance.


Keep calm and carry on isolating.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


I don't know if you refer to the use of stats, but there is nothing hysterical about them. Your acquaintance is just one case, whereas the stats do provide a better, but still rough idea and they do suggest that if Boris needs proper ventilation, then it's close to 50/50 whether he lives or dies.

Gavin D
06 April 2020 21:56:56

President Trump says he's spoken to drug companies in London who have since contacted Boris' doctors offering treatments.

nsrobins
06 April 2020 21:59:33


President Trump says he's spoken to drug companies in London who have since contacted Boris' doctors offering treatments.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Fake news no doubt. Trump is an imbecile of the highest order and the fact he is in such a position of power and influence is as deeply disturbing as the pandemic itself.


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Darren S
06 April 2020 22:03:45

Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


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Phil G
06 April 2020 22:06:31

As a timeline showed further up this thread, the Chinese knew they had something terrible brewing and out of control. As a duty to the world they should have closed their own borders there and then. But no, they tried to hide it and in a few weeks it wreaked havoc with the deadly spores loose around the world. All for the sake of finance and their economy.
They have been pretty quick to pick up the baton again, buy shares at knock down prices.

Now, our PM is seriously ill.
5,000 of our countrymen are dead.

For those trying to mute the blame on China, Just remember they are responsible for all this.

howham
06 April 2020 22:07:46


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


We got ours today.

JHutch
06 April 2020 22:10:09


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Yep, me too

RobN
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06 April 2020 22:10:29


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Yes arrived today.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
Rob K
06 April 2020 22:12:17


President Trump says he's spoken to drug companies in London who have since contacted Boris' doctors offering treatments.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Trump for some reason seems to be convinced that hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug, is a miracle cure for this virus. I can only assume that either he has some business interest in selling it, or one of his favourite conspiracy theory websites has been shilling it. Or both. 


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David M Porter
06 April 2020 22:20:39


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


I haven't had mine yet.


I could be wrong, but I assume the letters from Boris are being sent to every address in the UK?


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
DEW
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06 April 2020 22:22:09


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Yes - and a bit disappointing as it said nothing new to those who follow the news.


War does not determine who is right, only who is left - Bertrand Russell

Chichester 12m asl
David M Porter
06 April 2020 22:22:45

Further to the above, as someone who has been advised to self-isolate for 12 weeks owing to having an underlying health condition, I am also awaiting a letter from the Scottish Government or the (now former) CMO for Scotland.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Rob K
06 April 2020 22:24:59


 


I haven't had mine yet.


I could be wrong, but I assume the letters from Boris are being sent to every address in the UK?


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


With 28 million households in the country, that’s a lot of paper and stamps. Just how much is this silly stunt costing that could have been spent on something more useful?


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
xioni2
06 April 2020 22:26:16


Ironically we got our letter from Boris today. Did everyone else?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


I have introduced a 5-day lag with opening all mail.

RobN
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06 April 2020 22:32:37


 


With 28 million households in the country, that’s a lot of paper and stamps. Just how much is this silly stunt costing that could have been spent on something more useful?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Think of it as a little piece of tangible documentary history that you can pass on to your grand children in the family archive. None of your emails - or posts on this forum - will survive as long.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

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