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Quantum
05 May 2020 10:00:49


 


No. The decision to move away from a testing-based approach was not made by the NHS.


 


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


The government told PHE to ramp up testing capability in March. They failed to do that. Germany ramped up very quickly because of immediate engagement with labs across the private sector, PHE wanted to do everything in house.


 

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fairweather
05 May 2020 10:02:29


 


It doesn't matter how many die. The China message his hitting home very well for him. Polls show that most Americans blame China and Trump is tapping into that very well and is able to link Sleepy Joe with Chinese companies for his business interests, and his son Hunter


Sleepy Joe also facing rape allegations, which are not true, but truth doesn't matter anymore. Just put it out there on Fox news and talk radio and half the population will believe it!


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Yep. If you look on odds checker he has remained odds on favourite for months and still is. Remained at about 19/20 most of the time.

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Gandalf The White
05 May 2020 10:05:56


Trusting the NHS to write up a suitable private contract for this App is like trusting a chimp to captin an aircraft carrier. Inevitably its going to go very wrong.


The NHS is just bad at everything. It seems to have a policy of pretending the private sector doesn't exist while still using it. The consequence is the worst of both worlds where it gets taken for rides by crappy startups. What will it take for people to realize just how broken the NHS is? Because apparantely unlimited funding to the point of economic collapse is not enough, people will still be like 'itl work so long as you fund it better'.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


sorry, Q, even by your standards that's abysmal and utter bo****ks.

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Gandalf The White
05 May 2020 10:09:34


 


Yep. If you look on odds checker he has remained odds on favourite for months and still is. Remained at about 19/20 most of the time.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Yet recent polling put him 3 points behind Jo Biden, which is what contributed to Trump's latest hissing fit and decision to support reopening the economy. His 'performances' at the daily briefings were not going down well with the public and neither were his spats with individual states.


The attempt to blame China won't wash when the death toll passes six figures and outbreaks start to appear widely in Republican-controlled states, as is almost inevitable as they relax the rules prematurely and against all the scientific evidence.

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Quantum
05 May 2020 10:11:17


 


sorry, Q, even by your standards that's abysmal and utter bo****ks.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Well not literally everything. But the broad point I stand by. The NHS is an unmitigated disaster. Just look at all its failed IT systems that have cost us dozens of Nuclear reactors worth of taxpayer £ with nothing to show for it except for the occasional basement dwelling teenager that can plant a bunch of ransomware on it.

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Justin W
05 May 2020 10:14:06


 


The government told PHE to ramp up testing capability in March. They failed to do that. Germany ramped up very quickly because of immediate engagement with labs across the private sector, PHE wanted to do everything in house.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The Govt told PHE to row back on testing in mid March. It had nothing to do with the NHS and private labs.

Yo yo yo. 148-3 to the 3 to the 6 to the 9, representing the ABQ, what up, biatch?
Quantum
05 May 2020 10:15:57


 


The Govt told PHE to row back on testing in mid March. It had nothing to do with the NHS and private labs.


Originally Posted by: Justin W 


Testing was only rowed back on because of insufficient capacity. Had capacity been greater we would have been in the contain phase for longer.


 

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Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 10:15:59


 


They don't. It stays on your phone. may be different if you get symptoms, not sure but individuals are just random numbers. At least that's what they say.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


There has to be a unique identifier and I think IMEIs are used as Justin said.


Your details (and more importantly perhaps, those of others you have had contact with) leave your phone when you report symptoms.  

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Phil G
05 May 2020 10:16:03


 


H3N2 is not "regular" flu, if that's what it was. It was like a flu that had symptoms like no other. The only symptoms of this strain were a brief fever and a three week dry crippling cough. That's not just me, I spoke to a lot of people over the period. Of the sample of about 10 I spoke to they all knew somebody else with the same cough.


My only logical conclusions are that H3N2 gives these unique symptoms alone or that there was another type of virus going round at the same time as H3N2 and Covid-19.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Really interesting reading the different accounts over the winter when people weren't well, something different but still 'nasty' doing the rounds like it normally does. All I know is they weren't a killer like this virus. With the rapid way it has moved through nations I can't believe if this virus had originated somewhere else other than China, that country would not have been able to miraculously controlled it without world knowledge.


There is a lot of surmising about just everything going on, but attempts or could be might be facts for me don't wash it wasn't China who were responsible and created this nightmare in some capacity at this time.


Just how loose things are, these apparent findings saying the virus was found in samples from France in December. Just recently they said you can catch it again, but have now gone back on that and say those tests for the time being were wrong.


Sorry but the sheer speed the virus ripped through parts of China then the world, there has been no other Covid -19 about elsewhere. How on earth would they have contained it!

Gandalf The White
05 May 2020 10:17:22


 


Well not literally everything. But the broad point I stand by. The NHS is an unmitigated disaster. Just look at all its failed IT systems that have cost us dozens of Nuclear reactors worth of taxpayer £ with nothing to show for it except for the occasional basement dwelling teenager that can plant a bunch of ransomware on it.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Sorry, that's still overplaying your hand. The NHS gets most of what it does right; I'd say 95% minimum.


Every large organisation gets things wrong. Hell, IBM is the classic: they decided that DOS wasn't of interest and that single mistake gave birth to Microsoft and changed the shape of the IT sector.  BT decided mobile communicions was not important and off-loaded its mobile phone business.  The Post Office decided email wasn't a worthwhile investment.  The list is almost endless.

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Retron
05 May 2020 10:20:25


Sorry folks...growing signs the cavalry isn't arriving:


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Did you miss this part of the article?


It may also be possible to create a vaccine that reduces the symptoms of Covid-19 even if it does not prevent the disease itself. As the chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty pointed out in a lecture last week, vaccines can be therapeutic as well as preventative.


The other big positive is the scale of the race. Never in history has so much human, financial and technical resource been dedicated to finding a vaccine for a single virus.


According to the World Health Organization, there are already 82 vaccine candidates being pursued for Sars-Cov-2 across the globe, six of which have already progressed to human trials.


A successful Chinese trial of a vaccine in monkeys was also reported at the weekend. Eight rhesus macaques were given the jab and none developed serious symptoms when the virus was later injected directly into their lungs. In contrast, four animals in a control group all developed pneumonia.


The results “give us a lot of confidence” that the vaccine will work in humans, one of the lead researchers told Science magazine.

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Quantum
05 May 2020 10:20:33


 


Sorry, that's still overplaying your hand. The NHS gets most of what it does right; I'd say 95% minimum.


Every large organisation gets things wrong. Hell, IBM is the classic: they decided that DOS wasn't of interest and that single mistake gave birth to Microsoft and changed the shape of the IT sector.  BT decided mobile communicions was not important and off-loaded its mobile phone business.  The Post Office decided email wasn't a worthwhile investment.  The list is almost endless.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Failure to predict emergent technology is normal. What isn't normal is failing so spectacularly at implementing tech solutions that currently exist. Has the NHS ever done anything right when it comes to IT? Because every project the NHS has ever done seems to be 10x the cost for 1/10th of the result.

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Gavin D
05 May 2020 10:28:52

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Coronavirus: Glimmer of hope as total number of UK deaths decline from peak, new figures suggest




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There was a slight fall in the total number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 24 April - driven by a decrease in the number of hospital deaths, according to new figures. In the seven days to 24 April, there were 21,997 deaths registered in England and Wales - 11,539 more than the five-year average, according to the Office for National Statistics.


However, that week saw the first decrease in the weekly total number of registered deaths since 20 March. The number of deaths registered in the week to 24 April was 354 less compared with the previous week. Previous figures have shown deaths in Scotland also falling, although rising in Northern Ireland, that week.


This suggests it may be the week the UK came through its peak mortality rate amid the coronavirus crisis.


 





https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-glimmer-of-hope-as-total-number-of-uk-deaths-decline-from-peak-new-figures-suggest-11983364


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Gavin D
05 May 2020 10:37:09

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Vue Cinemas hoping for mid-July reopening




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The boss of one of the UK's biggest cinema chains is hopeful the business can reopen in mid-July. Vue Cinemas' chief executive Tim Richards told the BBC he is still talking to the authorities about social distancing measures. But if all goes to plan, the chain could be back in business for the launch of director Christopher Nolan's action movie Tenet on 17 July, he said.


"We can control how many people come into our cinemas," he said.


 





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52542693


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fairweather
05 May 2020 10:38:37


Sorry folks...growing signs the cavalry isn't arriving:


Why a coronavirus vaccine could take years - and may not be possible at all


An increasing number of scientists are warning that finding an effective jab may take much longer than 18 months


...


The bad news on the vaccine front is that an increasing number of scientists are warning that finding an effective jab may take much longer than the year to 18 months people have been talking about. You can call them kill-joys – and many have – but the truth is they have a point.


Similarly optimistic positions were taken in the early days of the HIV pandemic and now – more than 30 years later – there is still no vaccine. Even the jabs we have for influenza are seasonal and only partially effective.


...


“If you’re hoping a vaccine is going to be a knight in shining armour saving the day, you may be in for a disappointment. Sars-Cov-2 is a highly contagious virus. A vaccine will need to induce durable high level immunity, but coronaviruses often don’t induce that kind of immunity,” he said.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/funds-will-vaccine-coronavirus-really-possible/


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


So many different viewpoints on everything it seems. Would the Oxford professor be so upbeat if she knew this was the case? I really don't know anything any more!

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Gavin D
05 May 2020 10:38:55

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ozone_aurora
05 May 2020 10:41:18


 


Really interesting reading the different accounts over the winter when people weren't well, something different but still 'nasty' doing the rounds like it normally does. All I know is they weren't a killer like this virus. With the rapid way it has moved through nations I can't believe if this virus had originated somewhere else other than China, that country would not have been able to miraculously controlled it without world knowledge.


There is a lot of surmising about just everything going on, but attempts or could be might be facts for me don't wash it wasn't China who were responsible and created this nightmare in some capacity at this time.


Just how loose things are, these apparent findings saying the virus was found in samples from France in December. Just recently they said you can catch it again, but have now gone back on that and say those tests for the time being were wrong.


Sorry but the sheer speed the virus ripped through parts of China then the world, there has been no other Covid -19 about elsewhere. How on earth would they have contained it!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


That's what I thought, too. Whatever the origin, this Coronavirus 2019 clearly started in Wuhan China, is far more severe & potent than other 'nasties' doing the rounds of of last part of 2019. 

Of course, Coronavirus has been doing the rounds elsewhere last winter, but there has been previous winter & before. It accounts for up to 30% of colds, & likely other non-specific flu like 'virus' infections (sometimes layman's 'Flu'). This one is very clearly different in terms of severity.

Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 10:57:48


 


Did you miss this part of the article?


It may also be possible to create a vaccine that reduces the symptoms of Covid-19 even if it does not prevent the disease itself. As the chief medical officer Professor Chris Whitty pointed out in a lecture last week, vaccines can be therapeutic as well as preventative.


The other big positive is the scale of the race. Never in history has so much human, financial and technical resource been dedicated to finding a vaccine for a single virus.


According to the World Health Organization, there are already 82 vaccine candidates being pursued for Sars-Cov-2 across the globe, six of which have already progressed to human trials.


A successful Chinese trial of a vaccine in monkeys was also reported at the weekend. Eight rhesus macaques were given the jab and none developed serious symptoms when the virus was later injected directly into their lungs. In contrast, four animals in a control group all developed pneumonia.


The results “give us a lot of confidence” that the vaccine will work in humans, one of the lead researchers told Science magazine.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


 I remain doubtful but that is a good point.

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fairweather
05 May 2020 10:58:27

The problem with Trump and others constantly blaming the Chinese is a massive increase in hate crimes against totally innocent people. The thicko right wing can't distinguish blaming a Government from blaming its population.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hate-crimes-against-chinese-people-soar-in-uk-during-covid-19-crisis-11979388

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Brian Gaze
05 May 2020 11:00:31

I've moved some of the discussion about Biden to the Trump thread. Biden isn't Trump but he's not C19 either.

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Northern Sky
05 May 2020 11:03:35



That's what I thought, too. Whatever the origin, this Coronavirus 2019 clearly started in Wuhan China, is far more severe & potent than other 'nasties' doing the rounds of of last part of 2019. 

Of course, Coronavirus has been doing the rounds elsewhere last winter, but there has been previous winter & before. It accounts for up to 30% of colds, & likely other non-specific flu like 'virus' infections (sometimes layman's 'Flu'). This one is very clearly different in terms of severity.


Originally Posted by: ozone_aurora 


For the old and vulnerable yes. What is the evidence that Covid 19 is far more severe for younger people? I think the evidence is contrary to that, the evidence shows that Covid 19 is less dangerous to young people than other strains of flu.

fairweather
05 May 2020 11:04:06

Then you get this which sounds massively optimistic 


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-hail-groundbreaking-discovery-of-antibody-which-prevents-infection-11982809

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ozone_aurora
05 May 2020 11:12:00


 


For the old and vulnerable yes. What is the evidence that Covid 19 is far more severe for younger people? I think the evidence is contrary to that, the evidence shows that Covid 19 is less dangerous to young people than other strains of flu.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


I should have added that. Yes, indeed, for normal healthy children CV-19 is no more than a slight cold. If it was ordinary infection, ie. mild for all ages, it would not have been an excuse for having time off school!

The media gives an impression that it's serious for all ages.

Hippydave
05 May 2020 11:15:20


Then you get this which sounds massively optimistic 


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-hail-groundbreaking-discovery-of-antibody-which-prevents-infection-11982809


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


 


I imagine the noise, positive and negative, is simply because of the demand for instant news and updates. All this would usually play out behind closed doors and maybe in scientific papers the public would rarely or never see. Now though the media is seizing on anything to print/gain a headline from (at least in part to satisfy people's need I guess). 


My take on the whole thing is we may get a vaccine but we may well not and planning on doing so quite a gamble.

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05 May 2020 11:17:21


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Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


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