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Rob K
10 August 2020 14:11:34

Marco Petagna getting the heat ramp out on Twitter for tomorrow:

"The thundery #weather needs top priority, but tomorrow's #temperatures will want watching...37C our headline high but with 850-1000 hpa thicknesses >143dm (wow!) 38C can't be ruled out SE England...if #cloud and/or #thunderstorms don't get in way"

https://twitter.com/Petagna/status/1292812994804617219


 


I wonder if there's a chance the Met might update to 38C, seeing as they like to overdo it 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
superteacher
10 August 2020 14:14:56
In a humid airmass, late maxima are common, so 36 is still possible although I’d say it’s unlikely. But with our weather as it is these days, nothing can be ruled out!
xioni2
10 August 2020 14:15:46


Ah :(


Not much time left then for this to get past 36C


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There is still time actually and it probably has already exceeded 35C at Heathrow. The temperature is sensitive to the wind direction (it drops when the wind becomes more NNE). It does need the wind to be mostly/consistently SSE in order to go much higher.

Rob K
10 August 2020 14:19:29
Latest Arome for tomorrow shows a very messy picture. 36C for Heathrow (impressive how they factor in the heat island there!) but lots of showers scattered around too.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/aromezoom.php?mode=41&x=4822.14&y=2448.51&ech=32&zoom=4 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Chunky Pea
10 August 2020 14:25:16

In a humid airmass, late maxima are common, so 36 is still possible although I’d say it’s unlikely. But with our weather as it is these days, nothing can be ruled out!

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


 


Would be interesting to see what the long term 'average time' for daily maxima to be reached at this time of year  for London. At a rough guess I'd say about 4 o clockish? 


 


Edit, what a badly composed sentence. 


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superteacher
10 August 2020 14:25:34

Latest Arome for tomorrow shows a very messy picture. 36C for Heathrow (impressive how they factor in the heat island there!) but lots of showers scattered around too.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/aromezoom.php?mode=41&x=4822.14&y=2448.51&ech=32&zoom=4

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


AROME seems to overestimate cloud, then correct nearer the time. One of its runs from yesterday had almost full cloud for today.

TimS
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10 August 2020 14:27:28

Latest Arome for tomorrow shows a very messy picture. 36C for Heathrow (impressive how they factor in the heat island there!) but lots of showers scattered around too.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/aromezoom.php?mode=41&x=4822.14&y=2448.51&ech=32&zoom=4

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


36C and thundery could make for one of the weirdest days in UK history, alongside thundersnow events and rapid cold frontal cooling days.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Heavy Weather 2013
10 August 2020 14:29:38


 


AROME seems to overestimate cloud, then correct nearer the time. One of its runs from yesterday had almost full cloud for today.


Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Your quite right to point this out actually. There was a run yesterday for today that had maximums of 26C because of cloud cover and/or showers.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
10 August 2020 14:30:15
Still creeping up here, 32.3C.

The 3.20pm METARs don't have any 35s though.

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Heavy Weather 2013
10 August 2020 14:32:31

Still creeping up here, 32.3C.

The 3.20pm METARs don't have any 35s though.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


None in my heat watch zone either. I have figured it out btw. I think iPhone must user METARS for their realtime temperatures.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Rob K
10 August 2020 14:35:31
Met Office just tweeted a "latest temperature forecast" that still has 37C for today, then 37C tomorrow and 36C on Wednesday. Seems pretty out of date already.

https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1292828207163604993 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Heavy Weather 2013
10 August 2020 14:54:56

Heatzone still stuck at 34C, we might squeeze a 35, but 36 looking unlikely now I fear


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gavin D
10 August 2020 14:56:25

Day 1 Convective Outlook


VALID 06:00 UTC Mon 10 Aug 2020 - 05:59 UTC Tue 11 Aug 2020


ISSUED 14:49 UTC Mon 10 Aug 2020


ISSUED BY: Dan


UPDATE 14:49 UTC MDT introduced across N Wales and NW England for this evening/tonight, SLGT extended into W Scotland for tonight and expanded across southern England for the risk of a few scattered elevated showers/storms tonight


Atlantic upper longwave trough will gradually sharpen on Monday, placing the British Isles under a broad southerly flow aloft. This will continue to advect a plume of high Theta-W slowly northwestwards through the forecast period, with a marked elevated mixed layer (EML) covering much of England and Wales and creating an environment with notably steep mid-level lapse rates.


... SUMMARY ...



  • Scattered thunderstorms are likely over parts of Wales / SW England / Irish Sea / SW Scotland during Monday daytime

  • Severe thunderstorms with large hail, flash flooding, strong gusts of wind and an isolated tornado will be possible over the Midlands and E Wales during Monday afternoon and evening

  • Scattered thunderstorms may affect parts of N / NW England, Irish Sea and southern Scotland on Monday evening and night

  • Isolated thunderstorms may be possible elsewhere, but with lower confidence


... WALES / NW ENGLAND / IRISH SEA / SW SCOTLAND - MONDAY DAYTIME ...


Elevated convection (bases around 8-10,000ft) is likely to be ongoing on Monday morning across parts of Wales, SW England and perhaps NW England, lifting gradually north through the day while expanding in coverage as a shortwave engages with a Theta-E ridge. Given the steep mid-level lapse rates and 500-700 J/kg CAPE, lightning is likely to be quite frequent in the most intense cells - especially over west Wales and parts of the Irish Sea where a greater coverage of lightning is expected. Lightning activity may weaken as storms approach the Isle of Man / eastern Northern Ireland / SW Scotland as profiles become increasingly saturated and instability weakens. Some hail may be possible, although the high cloud base and depth of hot air below suggests a lot of this will melt or shrink in size by the time it reaches the surface.


Elsewhere, isolated elevated showers/thunderstorms will be possible in a zone from Wales across the Midlands and SE England as a weak PV filament lifts north and engages the plume.


... MIDLANDS / E WALES - MONDAY AFTERNOON / EVENING ...


Strong surface heating is expected across southern and eastern England, with a slack low evolving in the vicinity of the M4 corridor. The EML will serve as a cap to surface-based development, and with T850s gradually warming through the day across SE England and East Anglia, these areas are likely to remain capped. However, some slight cooling at 850mb is possible over the West Country / SW Midlands, and IF surface temperatures can nudge close to the required trigger temperature of 30-32C (assuming dewpoints around 18-19C) this could breach the capping inversion and lead to explosive development in a loaded-gun environment, especially when aided by low-level convergence near the surface low centre and a PV lobe arriving from the English Channel.


Should deep convection occur, the backed low-level winds north of the surface low and modest flow aloft will create 20-30kts DLS which may be sufficient for organisation and perhaps supercellular mode. Given the substantial CAPE (1,000-1,500 J/kg) and steep mid-level lapse rates, very frequent lightning and large, damaging hail 2-4cm in diameter would be possible (although possibly shrinking somewhat in size as it falls through the hot surface air before reaching the ground). PWAT near 40mm and storm motion of ~20mph brings the risk of prolonged torrential downpours and flash flooding. Should storms exhibit supercellular characteristics, then they may deviate to the right of the mean flow and slow their forward speed. Given the large T-Td spread, cloud bases may initially be quite high, around 6,000ft - but due to a combination of storm processes, northward movement into less-hot air and nocturnal cooling of the boundary layer, cloud bases may steadily lower during the evening hours. Backed low-level winds will create 20-30kts LLS, which may bring the risk of an isolated tornado if cloud bases can lower substantially. Otherwise, inverted-V profiles suggests the risk of strong downburst winds 45-55mph. A SVR has been issued primarily for the threat of large hail and flash flooding, and to a lesser extent for strong winds and an isolated tornado.


The greatest risk of severe thunderstorms appears to be initially close to the M4 corridor and SE Wales, shifting northwards into the south / central / west Midlands and east Wales during the evening, and then NW England / Irish Sea later. However, as storms run north into an increasingly capped environment, they may become more elevated in nature. Much of this depends on how strong the cap is during Monday afternoon...


... NORTHERN ENGLAND / SOUTHERN SCOTLAND - MONDAY EVENING / NIGHT ...


As the shortwave ejecting north from France arrives during the evening hours, existing thunderstorms over the Midlands and/or new thunderstorms over NW England will likely grow upscale into a complex of primarily elevated thunderstorms over Cen N / NW England, while migrating northwards through the night towards southern Scotland. Lightning could be quite frequent in the strongest cells, and the threat of localised flooding exists from prolonged downpours. Some hail and gusty winds are also possible.


... ENGLISH CHANNEL - MONDAY NIGHT ...


A few other elevated showers/thunderstorms may be possible in parts of western mainland Scotland, and perhaps also exiting northern France and across the Channel Islands / English Channel towards S / SE England during the overnight period.


http://convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2020-08-10

eddied
10 August 2020 15:00:52
Apropos nothing in particular. Am in Surrey under sweltering clear blue skies watching a tall thunderhead piling up to the north. Nothing in the sky between here and there so look at the radar and the satellite imagery to see where it is. Turns out it's just north of Cambridge. So I'm looking at a cloud that's 70 miles away. Always impressive how far away you can see / how tall these thunderheads get.
Location: Reigate, Surrey 105m ASL

Winter 22/23
Days snow falling: 4
Days snow on ground:8
Max snow depths: 6cm (December 19th ish)

Summer 2022 max 39C on July 19th
Summer 2021 max: 32C on July 18th
Summer 2020 max: 36C on July 31st
warrenb
10 August 2020 15:05:16
35c here now
GezM
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10 August 2020 15:10:25

Northolt is also reporting 35C


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superteacher
10 August 2020 15:11:26
Northolt reporting 35C @ 4pm. Think it’s a rounded figure, so at least 34.5.
Fun in the Sun
10 August 2020 15:11:59
34.6c here now can’t see it going much higher.
Ed
Location: Teddington SW London 14m asl

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Retron
10 August 2020 15:16:26

Northolt reporting 35C @ 4pm. Think it’s a rounded figure, so at least 34.5.

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Close - it was 34.6.


https://www.ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=03672&decoded=yes&ndays=2&ano=2020&mes=08&day=10&hora=18


 


 


Leysdown, north Kent
redmoons
10 August 2020 15:30:36
Just got to 35.0c here
Andrew,
Watford
ASL 35m
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ozone_aurora
10 August 2020 15:35:56

Rob K: Latest Arome for tomorrow shows a very messy picture. 36C for Heathrow (impressive how they factor in the heat island there!) but lots of showers scattered around too.

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/aromezoom.php?mode=41&x=4822.14&y=2448.51&ech=32&zoom=4


 


36C and thundery could make for one of the weirdest days in UK history, alongside thundersnow events and rapid cold frontal cooling days.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Yes, it's much more like typical summer's weather in eastern USA, like Washington DC, than London & E. England. 

superteacher
10 August 2020 15:41:03
Heathrow 34.8
Rob K
10 August 2020 15:45:16

Heathrow 34.8

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


35.2 according to a Met Office tweet.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
TimS
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10 August 2020 15:45:23

Heathrow 34.8

Originally Posted by: superteacher 


Takes heatwave degree days for this event to date up to 19.9. Fingers crossed for a late surge somewhere today.


 


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Bolty
10 August 2020 15:49:52
Looks like Wednesday will be the main day to watch out for. Even the 06Z GFS operation run is going for 36C in London, and that is known to undercook heat wave temperatures.

Still there's been a good run of impressive temperatures. It says something about this heat wave when 34/35C are not really that special.
Scott
Blackrod, Lancashire (4 miles south of Chorley) at 156m asl.
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