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moomin75
16 June 2021 08:18:34

Sunday looks like a complete wash out on the latest GFS with very cool temperatures also

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 


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four
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16 June 2021 08:19:00

These extreme UKMO runs are clearly massive outliers as is proven this morning. Chalk and cheese between last night and this morning.
Cool and unsettled is definitely the form horse for the next couple of weeks at least.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 



Good, since your last prediction of washouts for weeks it has only been 0.4mm through June here, we need a shower.


16 June 2021 08:27:00


 


Careful what you say, the deniers will attack you if you say it as it is!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I am not getting involved further after this, as it is not my style to argue on these boards, however you said:


"Cool and unsettled is definitely the form horse for the next couple of weeks at least."


You have already glossed over my post stating the cooler and unsettled conditions this weekend, a few days at most rather than "at least two weeks".



Pressure rises, especially for southern and eastern areas further into next week with the latter part of June and beyond looking drier and warmer. It is subject to change of course - a line I'd advise you to use in your own doom and gloom posts rather than 'definitely'. I appreciate you have your niche on here, but be prepared to be challenged if your prediction of weeks and weeks of rain and suppressed temperatures looks like falling flat 


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Ally Pally Snowman
16 June 2021 08:39:04

I've always liked Moomin's style of post, it for me adds to the quirkiness of the forum. 


As for the rest of June the next 4 or 5 days do look potentially very very wet especially for the SE. But after that late June is still up for grabs models dont have a clear signal yet. Last night's ECM had a decent Azores high pushing in over the UK.  This mornings GFS has a mini plume in 10 days and GEM is more unsettled. 


 


 


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Taylor1740
16 June 2021 08:40:06


 


Careful what you say, the deniers will attack you if you say it as it is!


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


True, with all respect as I know it is fun to comment on extreme solutions, but it is certainly a far cry from the 23c t850s the outlier UK Met model was showing a few days ago!


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Sevendust
16 June 2021 09:23:16

Looks a fairly simple picture emerging now. Tonight, Friday and Sunday look to bring a lot of rain to central and eastern England due to the heat pulsing up from the continent. After that it looks far more normal (with usual scatter). London ensembles look fairly dry by then and temps reasonable, especially as the Azores HP tries to ridge towards the south as on the ECM op 

Downpour
16 June 2021 10:02:31


Looks a fairly simple picture emerging now. Tonight, Friday and Sunday look to bring a lot of rain to central and eastern England due to the heat pulsing up from the continent. After that it looks far more normal (with usual scatter). London ensembles look fairly dry by then and temps reasonable, especially as the Azores HP tries to ridge towards the south as on the ECM op 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 


That's my general reading. We need some rain here, for sure. My lawn is suffering. Quite looking forward to some thundery downpours!


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16 June 2021 10:13:54

My lawn is suffering. 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 


Mine's still looking verdantly pristine.




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ballamar
16 June 2021 10:45:23
On this run next weekend could be hot in the south as high builds in.
Ally Pally Snowman
16 June 2021 11:04:43

On this run next weekend could be hot in the south as high builds in.

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


It's an incredibly hot run for France.  The ease in which 20c - 25c 850s build in France these days is definitely something that has changed in the last 5 to 10 years or so.


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Chunky Pea
16 June 2021 11:08:24


 especially as the Azores HP tries to ridge towards the south as on the ECM op 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Got a notification earlier from a model website I am subscribed to to that ECM was having issues regarding its output this morning. Not sure if that has been rectified yet. 


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16 June 2021 11:39:31


 It's an incredibly hot run for France.  The ease in which 20c - 25c 850s build in France these days is definitely something that has changed in the last 5 to 10 years or so.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


France does appear to have seen the biggest impact in mainland Europe from the recent change to summer weather patterns. I'm sure that the difference between average summer temperatures in southern England and northern France must have increased quite dramatically in recent years. If my memory serves me right, the 1961-90 difference between London and Paris in July was 3F (1.6C). Seems to be greater now.


As a heat lover I am often jealous of the French summer weather but there are times when even I'd be saying 'No thanks!'.


 


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Jiries
16 June 2021 11:59:23


 


France does appear to have seen the biggest impact in mainland Europe from the recent change to summer weather patterns. I'm sure that the difference between average summer temperatures in southern England and northern France must have increased quite dramatically in recent years. If my memory serves me right, the 1961-90 difference between London and Paris in July was 3F (1.6C). Seems to be greater now.


As a heat lover I am often jealous of the French summer weather but there are times when even I'd be saying 'No thanks!'.


 


Originally Posted by: GezM 


Normally Paris and London is 3C difference from the old average of 22C to 25C there now 24C but there nearly 30C so a jump up from before  otherwise London would be 26C average in summer.  UK can get those very high temps even with sea around it if set-up are good place and allow to happen without interference from the horrible Atlantic.   I often see high temps in north France 33-34C charts often end up the same or nearly the same in places of SE England but when they go to the high 38's to 40C UK miss out often.

Tim A
16 June 2021 12:20:21


 


France does appear to have seen the biggest impact in mainland Europe from the recent change to summer weather patterns. I'm sure that the difference between average summer temperatures in southern England and northern France must have increased quite dramatically in recent years. If my memory serves me right, the 1961-90 difference between London and Paris in July was 3F (1.6C). Seems to be greater now.


As a heat lover I am often jealous of the French summer weather but there are times when even I'd be saying 'No thanks!'.


 


Originally Posted by: GezM 


I think you could also say the difference between Southern England and NW Britain has also increased.  Stands to reason because the intense heat over the continent is clearly much warmer these days, but rarely makes it that far NW, and the Atlantic has only warmed slightly (and at times has had a cold pool).


 


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16 June 2021 13:34:25


 


 


Mine's still looking verdantly pristine.



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 That Astroturf wont last forever you know..

Rob K
16 June 2021 14:58:28
I'm still not much the wiser as to whether my weekend in mid Wales will be a washout. Friday and Saturday are actually looking much drier in Wales than in the SE, but Sunday is not looking too good currently.
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moomin75
16 June 2021 18:13:59
I think all models are now starting to come around to a prolonged spell of unsettled and much cooler weather. This is likely to last a couple of weeks at the very least. Maybe one or two warmer days, but largely wet for the foreseeable future.
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picturesareme
16 June 2021 18:22:00

I think all models are now starting to come around to a prolonged spell of unsettled and much cooler weather. This is likely to last a couple of weeks at the very least. Maybe one or two warmer days, but largely wet for the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Like a broken record!

moomin75
16 June 2021 18:25:34


 


Like a broken record!


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Yep, and I'm right. Don't really care what you think. This is the model thread and I will comment on the models.


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Tim A
16 June 2021 19:04:03

Running through the ECM and GFS the upcoming weather looks like a big standard spell of weather that we would get in June . Not great but not terrible either.
What is unusual is how warm and dry the month has been so far, average max of 22c here which is unheard of for June , so the upcoming spell will prvide some balance, the month will still end up being warmer than average, probably sunnier and I would guess on the dryer side of average .


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David M Porter
16 June 2021 19:38:27


Running through the ECM and GFS the upcoming weather looks like a big standard spell of weather that we would get in June . Not great but not terrible either.
What is unusual is how warm and dry the month has been so far, average max of 22c here which is unheard of for June , so the upcoming spell will prvide some balance, the month will still end up being warmer than average, probably sunnier and I would guess on the dryer side of average .


Originally Posted by: Tim A 


Agree with this, Tim.


While this June hasn't been the greatest one by any means, one does not have to go back a great many years to find Junes which were a great deal worse than this one. Also, for me there is so much volatility in the models just now that it is hard to be sure whether we are likely to get a prolonged unsettled spell or a relatively brief one. I think anyone who thinks a long unsettled spell is a nailed-on certainty may be counting their chickens before they have hatched.


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17 June 2021 06:58:07

Jet stream currently looping round the UK, dissipating by Monday but a new loop moving in from the Atlantic Fri 25th and neatly enclosing the UK Mon 28th before dissipating again. Suggestion of a third episode starting Sat 3rd.


FAX develops a local depression 1006 mb central Channel tomorrow (Fri) moving to NSea by Sat and a more extensive trough for the whole length of the Channel Sun drifting N-wards, not showing well on smaller scale Atlantic charts


GFS has stretched shallow trough Spain to Norway Fri , then places Sunday's LP as a closed feature off SW Ireland filling and moving across the UK E-wards allowing HP to approach from the SW briefly before a new trough comes in from the N Fri 25th and after taking a look at England wanders off and hangs around Rockall for the following week. Could be quite nice for SE England but rather dismal for NW Scotland by then.


GEFS temps descending to cooler than norm Wed 23rd and after brief let-up again around Wed 30th (only by a majority verdict in the second case - there are quite a few very warm outliers then). A hint of something much warmer Sat 3rd . Episodes of heavy rain until Wed 23rd, earlier in this period in S, later on in N, smaller amounts from time to time after that.


ECM Resembles GFS until end of run Sat 26th when warmer air and HP spreads across Scotland and LP drifts off to the SW, not NW


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Rob K
17 June 2021 09:03:56
Looking at Arpege output for the weekend it still looks largely dry on Saturday for my trip to Wales, with a spell of heavy rain overnight and hopefully clearing away by late morning. Still very hard to pin down at this stage though.
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Ally Pally Snowman
17 June 2021 09:07:40

Looking at the ECM ensembles it has the warmth returning relatively quickly but it does look unsettled for the next week or so. Here's the day 10 mean very warm but perhaps unsettled.  Europe looking hot.


 


 https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=2&run=0&time=240&lid=AVG&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


 


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Taylor1740
17 June 2021 09:26:15


Looking at the ECM ensembles it has the warmth returning relatively quickly but it does look unsettled for the next week or so. Here's the day 10 mean very warm but perhaps unsettled.  Europe looking hot.


 


 https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=2&run=0&time=240&lid=AVG&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Not sure that looks 'very warm' with uppers in the 5-8c range, more like average? though it does look better than the GFS outlook at least.


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