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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 11:39:31

The models are struggling with the southerly extent of the jet so caution is still required. 


In this respect the 06z GFS op is a bit crap. The mean is better though so hopefully an outlier, or at least one of the more unsettled options.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU06_180_1.png


 



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TimS
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12 June 2018 12:24:31


The models are struggling with the southerly extent of the jet so caution is still required. 


In this respect the 06z GFS op is a bit crap. The mean is better though so hopefully an outlier, or at least one of the more unsettled options.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSAVGEU06_180_1.png


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Every run for over a week now has included two or three ensemble members where a proper hot high gets detached over the U.K. and subjects us to a sustained scorcher. But it’s never the op. And in recent summers I can remember countless times seeing repeated ens members doing likewise. So far, and to be honest since 2006, it’s never once transpired except out of season.


Even 2013 didn’t feature a true “red from the med”.


Perhaps, like the beast this year, its time will come and when we get one we’ll get three in short succession. Just hopefully unlike the beast it won’t be the last week in August and the start of September.


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speckledjim
12 June 2018 13:30:36
Certainly looking promising from early next week, keeping fingers crossed.....
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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 16:49:23

The start of the next settled(ish) spell is now creeping into the more reliable timeframe.


The 12z GFS mean cloud cover chart for lunchtime on Monday is probably a good indicator of likely conditions, a lot of cloud towards the NW, but generally sunny and dry in the SE. 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU12_144_33.png


The south of England looks fairly dry and warm for the foreseeable, but much more cloud, wind and some rain in Scotland and Northern Ireland. 



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TimS
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12 June 2018 19:15:07
All looking suspiciously flat isobarred and over zonal on GFS. I think come the time it’ll be more ridgy or troughy. The ECM evening run looks quite credible: recurring ridges getting squeezed south by swooping lows.

Still looking for the magical dogger bank high. It’s not making any appearances on op runs at the moment.
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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
12 June 2018 20:09:06

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It looks like changeable weather is expected, and also expected is some very warm and sunny conditions.


There is a chance of rain and showers and Low Pressure but it looks fine and dry sunny at times with westerly winds in the NW and North of the UK.


Pretty normal situation weatherwise for this time of year.


I am pretty happy with the kind of summer we have had in London in May and June so far this year.


But there is one thing- it is if it rained a few more days and it gave the plants and fields regular watering that would be helpful and kind.


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It has been very warm and comfortably warm but not particularly hot and it has so far been a mix of cloudy and sunny days some partially, and the less warm days provided a very welcome relief.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Saint Snow
12 June 2018 20:32:18


What exactly is your problem here?? All I said was that a westerly based high pressure regime will suit the east coast rather than an easterly based one. Sorry, but am I missing something here??


Originally Posted by: Col 


 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.



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Whether Idle
12 June 2018 20:49:22


The start of the next settled(ish) spell is now creeping into the more reliable timeframe.


The 12z GFS mean cloud cover chart for lunchtime on Monday is probably a good indicator of likely conditions, a lot of cloud towards the NW, but generally sunny and dry in the SE. 


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Bring it on.  Whilst May and June thus far have been warm and summer like, the days have been blighted at times by North sea clag, particularly the mornings.


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12 June 2018 21:01:25


 


 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


All I actually meant was a nice ridging Azores high should bring decent enough weather for us , even though it's essentially westerly based, yet bring an end to the eastery muck that has plauged  some areas.


 


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Joe Bloggs
12 June 2018 21:07:24


 


 


Caught me at a time when I was getting sick of people saying "sick of this easterly, bring back westerlies". To see a fellow NW Englander who's presumably enjoyed a similarly brilliant spell of weather for here under easterlies say [in my mind] that the shift to westerlies (likely meaning crap for us) would have the consolation of the easterners being happy tipped me over the edge. Sorry if I misinterpreted the point you were making.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


If the Azores High ridges far enough north then the whole of Northern England from Liverpool to Hull could do alright. :) 


At the moment touch and go for our patch. My suspicion at present is fairly cloudy at times but staying generally dry. 



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TimS
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13 June 2018 07:01:31
The ECM again shows attempts at ridging being squashed by Atlantic lows, and a generally WNW flow which is OK for the far South but bad for everyone else and bad for the near continent too. I feel we are entering a spell that will be the summer equivalent of “at least it will be mild”.
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Lionel Hutz
13 June 2018 07:44:59

To be honest, at the moment, I'd like to see a little bit of unsettled weather - we could do with the rain. We've got a rainbelt moving in from the West today but I suspect that only the NW half of Britain/Ireland will see appreciable rain form this one.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datukgfshires.aspx?display=fax&model=fax


Saturday looks like the day when we could all see something a bit more substantial.


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=Dublin


After that, maybe settling down again. 


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Brian Gaze
13 June 2018 08:12:02

Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for.


 


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Saint Snow
13 June 2018 08:27:47


Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Surprisingly little difference with the Liverpool GEFS, Liverpool with some slightly higher PPN spikes initially and perhaps a degree or two cooler intermittently.





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13 June 2018 08:30:48


Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Here's hoping we get a good 5th wicket partnership rather than a more typical middle order collapse ......


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johncs2016
13 June 2018 08:44:20

This looks quite interesting for here in Edinburgh as there is a hint from the chart below, that we could see temperatures get to above 25ºC here at the end of the month. Furthermore, you can normally add a couple of degrees onto that (at least, that is what Gavin P. always says in his videos) which means that you might be talking about temperatures of 27-28ºC here if that came off.


Of course, that.is only an outlier, and is in the extended unreliable time frame. However, I have said before that we are capable of getting those sorts of temperatures here if we have a decent SSW airflow with high pressure fairly close by. Therefore, this does ask the question of whether or not, this might be the time when this actually happens. and when we therefore get our turn here on the east coast to get some decent summer heat instead of that all being further west as it has been recently.



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Ally Pally Snowman
13 June 2018 09:14:59

Think some are being unduly pessimistic.  Forget the inconsistent ecm Op for now the Mean is very good. it's not June 76 but is much better than average temps mid 20s in the south mainly dry away form the far NW. Could be much much worse.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


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speckledjim
13 June 2018 10:18:39


Think some are being unduly pessimistic.  Forget the inconsistent ecm Op for now the Mean is very good. it's not June 76 but is much better than average temps mid 20s in the south mainly dry away form the far NW. Could be much much worse.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


Yes, the outlook is none too bad considering June is often the 'monsoon' month


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Joe Bloggs
13 June 2018 11:42:36


Think some are being unduly pessimistic.  Forget the inconsistent ecm Op for now the Mean is very good. it's not June 76 but is much better than average temps mid 20s in the south mainly dry away form the far NW. Could be much much worse.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem1921.html


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


After such an amazing May (and June for so many of us so far), it’s a miracle that at this stage we’re not seeing a barrage of lows pushing across the UK for weeks on end. 


For that reason alone I’m feeling quite optimistic. 



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Rob K
13 June 2018 12:11:44


Looks quite nondescript to me. 160 for 4 at the tea interval and a bit more life in the pitch than looked likely before start of play. Could go either way. All to play for.


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Annoyingly the one significant rain spike for ages and it falls right on Saturday afternoon when we really need a dry day for a family party!


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Lionel Hutz
13 June 2018 12:27:51

https://www.met.ie/warnings


It seems that we have a named storm, Storm Hector. Only of interest to Irish West coast and possibly Scotland also, though.


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johncs2016
13 June 2018 12:52:12


https://www.met.ie/warnings


It seems that we have a named storm, Storm Hector. Only of interest to Irish West coast and possibly Scotland also, though.


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Well, there we go. I did say on today's current conditions thread that this approaching weather system would probably be classed as a named storm if this happened during the winter. From what I can see now though, it doesn't seem to matter what time of year that they happen in although this is probably the first time that we've had a named storm during the summer when I would have expected these things to be very rare.


On a side note though and since you are an Irishman, I was wondering what you think about the redesign of the Met Eireann's website. If I was an Irishman, I would be disappointed because the old site at least had the green colour which is traditionally associated with Ireland whereas now, that has been replaced by what I see as a rather horrible looking blue colour. What do you think?


 


 


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TimS
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13 June 2018 13:13:34
160 for 4 at tea, but after s long session with the spinners the new ball is due and Hector is warming up on the boundary to deliver the first over.
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Lionel Hutz
13 June 2018 13:35:24


 


Well, there we go. I did say on today's current conditions thread that this approaching weather system would probably be classed as a named storm if this happened during the winter. From what I can see now though, it doesn't seem to matter what time of year that they happen in although this is probably the first time that we've had a named storm during the summer when I would have expected these things to be very rare.


On a side note though and since you are an Irishman, I was wondering what you think about the redesign of the Met Eireann's website. If I was an Irishman, I would be disappointed because the old site at least had the green colour which is traditionally associated with Ireland whereas now, that has been replaced by what I see as a rather horrible looking blue colour. What do you think?


 


 


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


I found the older website a little more user friendly to be honest, but maybe with time I'll get used to the new one. I'm not overly bothered about the colour, to be honest. The only major issue that I have with it is that the rainfall radar history now only goes back a couple of hours whereas it used to go back a good bit further - the longer history was good for letting you see how a rain system was developing etc.


I do think that it's a decent website. It gives good information on recent weather:https://www.met.ie/latest-reports/observations/yesterday , current conditions,https://www.met.ie/latest-reports/observations and excellent monthly data https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/monthly-data . It really gives a wealth of information - not sure if you have the equivalent in Scotland or the UK? My only beef is that there's no station really close to me. 


 


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johncs2016
13 June 2018 16:00:21


 


I found the older website a little more user friendly to be honest, but maybe with time I'll get used to the new one. I'm not overly bothered about the colour, to be honest. The only major issue that I have with it is that the rainfall radar history now only goes back a couple of hours whereas it used to go back a good bit further - the longer history was good for letting you see how a rain system was developing etc.


I do think that it's a decent website. It gives good information on recent weather:https://www.met.ie/latest-reports/observations/yesterday , current conditions,https://www.met.ie/latest-reports/observations and excellent monthly data https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/monthly-data . It really gives a wealth of information - not sure if you have the equivalent in Scotland or the UK? My only beef is that there's no station really close to me. 


 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


Anyone who knows me well enough will know that I would be more than happy if Scotland had its own Met service with its own website. Since that isn't the case though, we have to make do with the UK Met Office site just like everyone else in the UK. Within that, the nearest thing to what you have described is the Met Office observations site at wow.metoffice.gov.uk. That site is a bit more complicated and less user-friendly by once you know you what you are doing, you can get up to a month's worth of data from that at a time from any given weather station.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

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