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Brian Gaze
26 June 2018 18:30:02

Furnace heat on the ECM 144:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/ecmwf.aspx?run=na&charthour=144&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM


 


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moomin75
26 June 2018 18:33:46

Yes. HUGE differences from GFS. This is more in line with UKMO. What are your thought Brian?


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Brian Gaze
26 June 2018 18:43:07


Yes. HUGE differences from GFS. This is more in line with UKMO. What are your thought Brian?


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Just posted here...


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoother/latest.aspx?type=buzz&id=4394&title=Probably+cooler+next+week


 


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doctormog
26 June 2018 18:53:11
Still warm on the ECM but significantly cooler than this week for many parts. Better than the GFS op run though.
Polar Low
26 June 2018 18:58:20

Yes Joe ukmo a very hot run has ecm on its side, can’t rule that situation out now, we all know gfs likes to over do energy so it could be a very important moment in summer2018 btw ecm is a very decent run for most the entire run


 


 



12z MetO is an absolute belter of a run.


Hot, hot, hot with little sign of a break. 


Getting hotter by Monday next week :O


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU12_144_1.png


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

Joe Bloggs
26 June 2018 19:03:55

I think we have to be realistic.


Even in the hottest, most exceptional summers, you will not see high pressure parked over the southern North Sea with hot SE’lies for weeks on end.


All things considered, in the reliable timeframe, the output remains generally warm (hot at times), and generally settled (albeit with the chance of showery rain from the south).


I see little sign of “business as usual” tonight. 



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moomin75
26 June 2018 19:04:25


Yes Joe ukmo a very hot run has ecm on its side, can’t rule that situation out now, we all know gfs likes to over do energy so it could be a very important moment in summer2018 btw ecm is a very decent run for most the entire run


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

I also get the feeling this is crunch time for our summer. From bitter past experience we all know how hard it seems to get back to settled once a hot spell breaks. I am pleased to see developments siding on the more positive side this evening with UKMO and ECM looking like continuing summer with perhaps just a few thundery showers.


Hopefully GFS will move away from the filth it has been showing for the last 24 hours or so.


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Gandalf The White
26 June 2018 19:22:27


I think we have to be realistic.


Even in the hottest, most exceptional summers, you will not see high pressure parked over the southern North Sea with hot SE’lies for weeks on end.


All things considered, in the reliable timeframe, the output remains generally warm (hot at times), and generally settled (albeit with the chance of showery rain from the south).


I see little sign of “business as usual” tonight. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Exactly. It's similar to extended cold weather in winter: the patterns shift around and sometimes the models show breakdowns which then get pushed back or fade away.


A brief ebbing away of the high pressure has looked a likely outcome but with high pressure rebuilding from the south-west.


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SJV
26 June 2018 21:00:05


I also get the feeling this is crunch time for our summer. From bitter past experience we all know how hard it seems to get back to settled once a hot spell breaks. I am pleased to see developments siding on the more positive side this evening with UKMO and ECM looking like continuing summer with perhaps just a few thundery showers.


Hopefully GFS will move away from the filth it has been showing for the last 24 hours or so.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


I feel we were in a similar situation at the start of June with some predicting the June 'monsoon' appearing after a settled May and the models were showing a change.


Fast forward to now and that change was a mere blip and the jet trended back northwards and look where we are? I'd say we're odds on for a 'blip' of sorts next week as we break from the current heatwave pattern to something more mixed (but not a washout) before we settle down again by the second week, or mid July.

White Meadows
26 June 2018 22:12:43
Pub run doesn’t know what to do with itself. It’s probably more preoccupied with the impending CO2 crisis.
moomin75
27 June 2018 04:50:29
The 0z is more similar to ECM and UKMO up to 168 hrs. Not nearly as much rain about. This is going to run and run.
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moomin75
27 June 2018 05:11:27
Then the 0z GEM backtracks from yesterday and goes BANG very early with torrential storms followed by unsettled spell.

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Brian Gaze
27 June 2018 05:17:29

GFS 00z ramps up the heat in southern counties early next week. Very possible IMO.



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moomin75
27 June 2018 05:25:05


GFS 00z ramps up the heat in southern counties early next week. Very possible IMO.



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Yes just as GFS starts to follow yesterday's UKMO/ECM/GEM the GEM begins a backtrack.


 


This is almost as fascinating as model watching at the height of winter.


Are we on the cusp of a real classic summer or will it all breakdown?


Huge questions as yet unanswered.


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White Meadows
27 June 2018 05:34:08


Yes just as GFS starts to follow yesterday's UKMO/ECM/GEM the GEM begins a backtrack.


 


This is almost as fascinating as model watching at the height of winter.


Are we on the cusp of a real classic summer or will it all breakdown?


Huge questions as yet unanswered.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 

A breakdown by 6th if the ensembles are anything to go by.


this hasn’t changed over the past few days now. My moneys on the rest of July turning nasty.

sunnyramsgate
27 June 2018 05:54:25
Very much like the the models in winter but on this occasion they cant get to grips with dry summery weather.
moomin75
27 June 2018 05:55:53


A breakdown by 6th if the ensembles are anything to go by.


this hasn’t changed over the past few days now. My moneys on the rest of July turning nasty.


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Spoilsport!! 🤣🤣 Though if I'm honest I'm inclined that way too. This good weather can't go on.


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Brian Gaze
27 June 2018 06:06:29

Overnight GEFS update looks hotter early n/week in the south and pushes the breakdown back a little (I think) 



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Chunky Pea
27 June 2018 06:14:28


My moneys on the rest of July turning nasty.


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


I sincerely hope you are right. This weather is making me ill. At least in bad weather you can escape under a roof for shelter, but in heat like this there is none, inside or out, day or night. Sick of it. 


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Jiries
27 June 2018 06:45:46


Overnight GEFS update looks hotter early n/week in the south and pushes the breakdown back a little (I think) 



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Just the same like last year when it was very unsettled the settled weather kept pushing back ward but this time the unsettled weather kept pushing back ward and hope to continue with it and make it pass over the extremely dangerous 15-20th school holiday date zone to ensure to get a decent August this time round.  Would be around 28-33C here for a week now.

Crepuscular Ray
27 June 2018 06:53:10
Dangerous 😮 The government will have to start evacuating vulnerable people to Aberdeen and Edinburgh where buildings are cool and there is sleep to be had 😂
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TimS
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27 June 2018 07:19:48
Encouraging looking ECM this morning. If only they gave out as much detailed data as GFS.
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GezM
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27 June 2018 07:54:08
Although the Ops runs have fluctuated quite a lot over the last few days, the temperature ensembles for the south east have been much steadier. I tend to keep an eye on the range and the average to get a feel for what's happening. The difference this morning is that next Monday and Tuesday have now become the warmest days for this part of the UK.

http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html 

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Maunder Minimum
27 June 2018 08:58:07


Spoilsport!! 🤣🤣 Though if I'm honest I'm inclined that way too. This good weather can't go on.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It can and it did in 1976 for example. We shall see, but since I am on holiday in the UK for the last 3 weeks of July, it would be just my luck if the weather turned.


 


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LeedsLad123
27 June 2018 09:00:45


 


It can and it did in 1976 for example. We shall see, but since I am on holiday in the UK for the last 3 weeks of July, it would be just my luck if the weather turned.


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, and in 1995. 2003 and 2006 too (2003 was one of those summers where all 3 summer months were much warmer than average). And many more. Of course there's no saying whether this summer will be like any of those, but it's possible. Not sure why people are so pessimistic.


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