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Bolty
28 July 2019 13:33:10

Looks like Shetland will be the hottest place in the UK today - that very rarely happens especially in Summer. The last of the heat from last week is swirling around up there and they have a forecast high of 26 - very warm for them.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 


That has to be a record for Shetland, surely?


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picturesareme
28 July 2019 13:41:31

Looks like Shetland will be the hottest place in the UK today - that very rarely happens especially in Summer. The last of the heat from last week is swirling around up there and they have a forecast high of 26 - very warm for them.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 


Doubt it when temps are widely in the mid 20's down in the south - 25.6C currently at my location.

KevBrads1
28 July 2019 14:05:53


 


That has to be a record for Shetland, surely?


Originally Posted by: Bolty 


Got to 27.8C at Sumburgh on 6th August 1910


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scillydave
28 July 2019 17:49:55
Helsinki set an all time record of 33.2c today shattering the old one by 1.6c
They've recorded temperatures on the site for over 160 years so quite a record to break.
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28 July 2019 18:28:57


More blogger onslaught on the CUBG provisional record.


Originally Posted by: RobN 


You would expect Horticultural Establishments, e.g Cambridge Botanic, Brogdale, RHS gardens, to have a close interest in recording weather. So it's a bit surprising that they don't have MetO approved sites and equipment, and immediately trusted readings.


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Stormchaser
28 July 2019 19:28:59

Been very busy so only just finding a moment to chip in on the record debate.


IMO, bare soils heating up more than most natural surfaces isn't a valid reason to discard a reading, as after all, it's not like it will have only affected the exact location of that station. The general vicinity will have been that hot too, i.e. there probably was some record-breaking heat in the locality.


That the nearby Cambridge stations came so close before cloud interrupted things, and with the temp having been rising determinedly until that happened, lends some credibility to the notion of temps reaching at least another half a degree higher should the Botanical Gardens have  held onto the sun for another half hour, say.


There's also the extraordinarily widespread nature of temps hitting 35*C and above that afternoon. Perhaps a record in its own right? Under such conditions it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one spot within that hit an all-time record high.



Sometimes I wonder what the national record would be if unusual microclimates were permitted. For example, there are sheltered spots in the heath lands of the New Forest with large expanses of very sandy soils that have probably exceeded 40*C on multiple occasions.


Same goes for records in other countries. Fun to imagine, but understandable that the intention of the observation network is to capture the records for the environments in which people spend most of their time. Though I do wonder about mountain weather stations in that regard!


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Hungry Tiger
28 July 2019 19:35:08


Been very busy so only just finding a moment to chip in on the record debate.


IMO, bare soils heating up more than most natural surfaces isn't a valid reason to discard a reading, as after all, it's not like it will have only affected the exact location of that station. The general vicinity will have been that hot too, i.e. there probably was some record-breaking heat in the locality.


That the nearby Cambridge stations came so close before cloud interrupted things, and with the temp having been rising determinedly until that happened, lends some credibility to the notion of temps reaching at least another half a degree higher should the Botanical Gardens have  held onto the sun for another half hour, say.


There's also the extraordinarily widespread nature of temps hitting 35*C and above that afternoon. Perhaps a record in its own right? Under such conditions it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one spot within that hit an all-time record high.



Sometimes I wonder what the national record would be if unusual microclimates were permitted. For example, there are sheltered spots in the heath lands of the New Forest with large expanses of very sandy soils that have probably exceeded 40*C on multiple occasions.


Same goes for records in other countries. Fun to imagine, but understandable that the intention of the observation network is to capture the records for the environments in which people spend most of their time. Though I do wonder about mountain weather stations in that regard!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Well said James.


 


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lanky
28 July 2019 19:41:45


Been very busy so only just finding a moment to chip in on the record debate.


IMO, bare soils heating up more than most natural surfaces isn't a valid reason to discard a reading, as after all, it's not like it will have only affected the exact location of that station. The general vicinity will have been that hot too, i.e. there probably was some record-breaking heat in the locality.


That the nearby Cambridge stations came so close before cloud interrupted things, and with the temp having been rising determinedly until that happened, lends some credibility to the notion of temps reaching at least another half a degree higher should the Botanical Gardens have  held onto the sun for another half hour, say.


There's also the extraordinarily widespread nature of temps hitting 35*C and above that afternoon. Perhaps a record in its own right? Under such conditions it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one spot within that hit an all-time record high.



Sometimes I wonder what the national record would be if unusual microclimates were permitted. For example, there are sheltered spots in the heath lands of the New Forest with large expanses of very sandy soils that have probably exceeded 40*C on multiple occasions.


Same goes for records in other countries. Fun to imagine, but understandable that the intention of the observation network is to capture the records for the environments in which people spend most of their time. Though I do wonder about mountain weather stations in that regard!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


I would have thought that a straight comparison of all the daily max data for (say) this summer between the two Cambridge sites in question would help resolve the issue quite quickly


If the two sites are generally in good agreement then the new result at the Botanic Gardens is likely to be valid but if the BG site consistently shows higher maxima then it should be treated with great caution


 


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Quantum
28 July 2019 20:24:43


Been very busy so only just finding a moment to chip in on the record debate.


IMO, bare soils heating up more than most natural surfaces isn't a valid reason to discard a reading, as after all, it's not like it will have only affected the exact location of that station. The general vicinity will have been that hot too, i.e. there probably was some record-breaking heat in the locality.


That the nearby Cambridge stations came so close before cloud interrupted things, and with the temp having been rising determinedly until that happened, lends some credibility to the notion of temps reaching at least another half a degree higher should the Botanical Gardens have  held onto the sun for another half hour, say.


There's also the extraordinarily widespread nature of temps hitting 35*C and above that afternoon. Perhaps a record in its own right? Under such conditions it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one spot within that hit an all-time record high.



Sometimes I wonder what the national record would be if unusual microclimates were permitted. For example, there are sheltered spots in the heath lands of the New Forest with large expanses of very sandy soils that have probably exceeded 40*C on multiple occasions.


Same goes for records in other countries. Fun to imagine, but understandable that the intention of the observation network is to capture the records for the environments in which people spend most of their time. Though I do wonder about mountain weather stations in that regard!


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Can we not use satellite data to actually work this out? That's where the suspected antartic record of -93C came from and the Iranian desert record of 60C+ came from.


 


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29 July 2019 05:57:13

 


Can we not use satellite data to actually work this out? That's where the suspected antartic record of -93C came from and the Iranian desert record of 60C+ came from. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


To tenths of a degree, which is what's needed here? Satellites would need to be very good (but they can be, these days) to pick out a localised spot fitting the MetO criteria for a record in the middle of the very mixed terrain of an urban area.


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Brian Gaze
29 July 2019 06:46:01
I see there are now suggestions the CBG Stevenson screen has been moved several times in recent years. Do we know if that is the case and if so then why?
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james
29 July 2019 08:19:37

I see there are now suggestions the CBG Stevenson screen has been moved several times in recent years. Do we know if that is the case and if so then why?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I am only aware that the site was moved once in recent times (about 120ft to the SSE) to make way for the Sainsbury Laboratory which opened in 2011.

james
29 July 2019 08:34:18

Well this has certainly entered the local political discourse here in Cambridge this morning:



 

james
29 July 2019 09:25:20

Another way to help verify the BG reading is the British Antarctic Survey weather station in West Cambridge. It's located in a sheltered location surrounded by buildings (see here). However as noted in this letter to the Weather journal it was compared to the BG reading in 2003 so could provide a possibly useful comparison this time.

severnside
29 July 2019 09:39:00

Some interesting reading and comments in this link about the site https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/07/27/cambridge-botanical-too-compromised-for-climatological-purposes/


On map images it does not look like a good location for a Stevenson screen.


also this link; https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/07/26/met-office-claims-of-new-record-at-cambridge-look-very-dodgy/


 


 

Gavin D
29 July 2019 16:06:32

38.7c officially confirmed 


 



Quantum
29 July 2019 16:10:32

Is that all of the manual/climate stations?


Any more still to come?


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
29 July 2019 16:13:15


38.7c officially confirmed 


 




Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Splendid news it was a heatwave that deserved to have the all time record. 


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Retron
29 July 2019 16:13:26


38.7c officially confirmed 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Congratulations to Cambridge!


(And a sense of relief now, as it means the whinging / conspiracy theories against Brogdale will now cease!)


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29 July 2019 16:14:38

I'm sure all the climate worriers will be hating that stat, but fantastic news I say, it deserved a new record (and one that is slightly more North of London!)/


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Arcus
29 July 2019 16:16:51
Just the reading from Jiries' shed to come in now.
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Bolty
29 July 2019 16:17:07


I'm sure all the climate worriers will be hating that stat, but fantastic news I say, it deserved a new record (and one that is slightly more North of London!)/


Originally Posted by: RobR 


Indeed! Great to see a new record set. I'll be celebrating it, even if the "do as I say, not as I do" brigade don't like it.


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Saint Snow
29 July 2019 16:25:24

Just the reading from Jiries' shed to come in now.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


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David M Porter
29 July 2019 16:26:06


Its funny how the very recent heat records have been broken during the less than brilliant summers and not during the two good summers of this decade, 2013 and 2018.


 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Indeed Kevin, and just as happened in July 2015, this record that has just been confirmed occured during what was at best a transient heatwave lasting only a few days at the most. The 2003 record which has just been surpassed happened during a fortnight-long heatwave IIRC, although temperatures did drop a bit after the record was set on 10th August. Interesting too that the highest temperature recorded last year happened just before the long settled spell came to an end.


The pressure set-up we had last week was literally a carbon copy of early July 2015; a deep low which was slow-moving to the west of Ireland and an anticyclone over the continent, both of which combined to send up some exceptionally hot air over the UK for a few days. Once the July 2015 heatwave broke down, we were then stuck in an unsettled and rather cooler pattern for the rest of that month. The only two summers which were notably good overall which created any records were 2003 (then hottest day on record) and 2006 (then hottest July day on record). It is interesting that these records have now both been surpassed during what were only transient as opposed to sustained heatwaves.


Looking at the current model output though, I think it could be a while before we see temperatures anywhere near the values that we had last week again this summer, if we do at all.


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johncs2016
29 July 2019 16:28:03
Yes, I think that this was a record which deserved to stand.

Having said that though, I don't really see this as a reason to celebrate and if anything, I would be rather concerned about just how often these highest temperature records are being broken these days.

Whilst we can't say that any particular record being broken is down to climate change, the fact that these records are being beaten on such a regular basis means that climate change has to be playing a significant part in that. For that reason, this makes very concerned about our overall future here on this planet.

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