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Hippydave
13 January 2020 11:32:53

Not a terrible GFS 6z op - some stormy stuff this week, some snow for the high ground in the North at times and a quiet, settled and quite cool spell before more mobility and a chilly end. Could be better, could be worse.


 


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nsrobins
13 January 2020 11:35:28

The focus is too far in the future... as always seems to be the way in this thread I think some people are living a month ahead of me as they already seem to know the model output for February on January 13th! Any winning lottery numbers would be gratefully received :)

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Agreed. 
There now appears to be firm consensus on a UK high by this weekend with ‘seasonally’ cool settled weather and some frosts.


Thereafter a number of options - taking us to nearly the end of January. Crystal balls required after that.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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nsrobins
13 January 2020 11:45:29
GEFS 850s look OK. For a month that was in some quarters being touted as a near record breaking mild one the mean spends an increasingly long time below the long term average from the weekend 🥴
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Roger Parsons
13 January 2020 11:46:06


What models are you looking at that go out to February?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


As I said, Rob - I am no expert, so I have been watching and extrapolating from the clever stuff here, then looking at the met sites,  Metcheck for example, that do give a tentative forward look - even though we all know how dodgy that can be and that the best-guesses can change.  For my location this is currently showing a remarkably dry February with temps only a bit below freezing at times. Only 24th is showing possible snow.


Slipping on to March - of course this is guesswork - it looks milder, but with snow indicated for 12th, 24th and 28th. I appreciate this a just a bit of fun and not to be taken as reliable - but if not true this is at least credible, based on the current winter. But as I stress, I am not a meteorologist and am just applying a vaguely scientific eye to easily-available information - so your superior take will always be fascinating.


TWO  Winter February forecast [01/12/2019] said: "Milder and wetter than average."


First half


Quite unsettled weather is forecast for much of the period with temperatures generally often close to average, but above average at times in the south. Rainfall levels probably slightly above the average with drier spells most frequent in the south and east.


Second half


The middle part of the month may bring a spell of colder weather with a risk of sleet and snow for a time in all regions. Milder and unsettled conditions are considered likely to return in the north and west. Quieter and drier spells are more likely in the south and east.


Keep it coming!


Roger


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Gooner
13 January 2020 12:21:48


 


Yes, Gooner - what do I need to add?


R.


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


The same as Rob - what are you looking at for the month of February 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
13 January 2020 12:23:41


 


As I said, Rob - I am no expert, so I have been watching and extrapolating from the clever stuff here, then looking at the met sites,  Metcheck for example, that do give a tentative forward look - even though we all know how dodgy that can be and that the best-guesses can change.  For my location this is currently showing a remarkably dry February with temps only a bit below freezing at times. Only 24th is showing possible snow.


Slipping on to February and March - of course this is guesswork - it looks milder, but with snow indicated for 12th, 24th and 28th. I appreciate this a just a bit of fun and not to be taken as reliable - but if not true this is at least credible, based on the current winter. But as I stress, I am not a meteorologist and am just applying a vaguely scientific eye to easily-available information - so your superior take will always be fascinating.


TWO  Winter February forecast [01/12/2019] said: "Milder and wetter than average."


First half


Quite unsettled weather is forecast for much of the period with temperatures generally often close to average, but above average at times in the south. Rainfall levels probably slightly above the average with drier spells most frequent in the south and east.


Second half


The middle part of the month may bring a spell of colder weather with a risk of sleet and snow for a time in all regions. Milder and unsettled conditions are considered likely to return in the north and west. Quieter and drier spells are more likely in the south and east.


Keep it coming!


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Amended 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


tallyho_83
13 January 2020 12:25:23

Why is the 06z ensembles at Wetterzale.de only going out until 21st January?



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Gandalf The White
13 January 2020 12:32:14


Why is the 06z ensembles at Wetterzale.de only going out until 21st January?



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


That's usually because it's not finished updating yet.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
13 January 2020 12:35:41

ECM 00z ensemble for London



A strong signal for a cooler/rather cold interlude next week before uncertainty creeps back.


The wind chart shows high pressure is likely to be in control for most.



Rainfallpattern as expected - a well-advertised wet spell in the next 2-3 days followed by very little at all thereafter.



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tallyho_83
13 January 2020 12:47:24


 


That's usually because it's not finished updating yet.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

#


Taking it's time. 


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Gandalf The White
13 January 2020 13:10:07


#


Taking it's time. 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


It's there on Meteociel.  


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52.0N 0.1E


Brian Gaze
13 January 2020 13:10:59


#


Taking it's time. 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


There are data flow problems this morning. Ours has completed successfully.


London link is:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=london&charthour=06&chartname=ps_500hpa&chartregion=na-region&p=1&charttag=PS%20500hPa%20(GPDM)


 



 


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tallyho_83
13 January 2020 13:46:38


 


There are data flow problems this morning. Ours has completed successfully.


London link is:


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gefs.aspx?run=na&lg=850&lglocation=london&charthour=06&chartname=ps_500hpa&chartregion=na-region&p=1&charttag=PS%20500hPa%20(GPDM)


 



 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Thanks Brian - how did I guess that the Op run was a cold outlier come the end of run!??


I wondered how to get the ensembles on TWO. So thanks.


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fairweather
13 January 2020 13:53:42

It is not possible to say there will be no severe cold spells or snow in February. It is  almost possible to now say however that the first two months of winter will have been extremely mild and snow free. If we exclude March from "winter" then even a cold February, good as it would be, is unlikely to make it a memorable winter for me (As I have had several). Now if February and March were to be severely cold then........ 


S.Essex, 42m ASL
nsrobins
13 January 2020 15:32:00


It is not possible to say there will be no severe cold spells or snow in February. It is  almost possible to now say however that the first two months of winter will have been extremely mild and snow free. If we exclude March from "winter" then even a cold February, good as it would be, is unlikely to make it a memorable winter for me (As I have had several). Now if February and March were to be severely cold then........ 


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


’Severely cold’ is rare and unrealistic.


I’d be happy with three days of sub zero with sone snow lying around - but I’m getting old now 👍


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Brian Gaze
13 January 2020 15:38:06

It will be very interesting to see how this high pressure scenario plays out during the next couple of weeks. IME even "faux cold" scenarios don't stick around for long. More often than not there's too much of a breeze or muck comes in off the Atlantic over the top of the high.


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ballamar
13 January 2020 16:34:19
Scandi high looks like it could form on the 12z GFS
Rob K
13 January 2020 16:57:47
Well the 12Z GFS certainly doesn't look mild, after Wednesday there are no double-figure maxima here, maxes generally about 5-7C falling to 3-4C at times, so slightly below average temps with an easterly drift for at least a week. On this run only of course...
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nsrobins
13 January 2020 17:46:47
Getting the high in in the first place has been a struggle so not focusing on what happens after too much. The GEFS look keen to collapse it or briefly retrogress but that’s a long way off. For now more seasonal weather is on the way and for many dryer weather which is good news.
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
tallyho_83
13 January 2020 19:03:32

Scandi high looks like it could form on the 12z GFS

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


 


Yet again the Operational is a cold outlier at end:


 



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Arcus
13 January 2020 19:36:17
A mote of interest is better than none. ECM still wants to ride the block, but the pointers toward a more amplified pattern (and yes, that wouldn't be hard) persist.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
RobN
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13 January 2020 23:24:23

GEM still going with a big northerly plunge - but now into eastern Europe



Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
tallyho_83
14 January 2020 00:38:35

ECM monthly from Hungarian met O has been updated: Week 4 (20th -26th Jan) has the SW of the UK being the coldest part of the country some -1 to -3c below average:


I anticipate due to frost and fog as it's below average across northern France as well.  


https://www.met.hu/img/meTz/meTz20200113_0000+33600.png



 


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BJBlake
14 January 2020 06:14:10
As if by magic a two day toppler appears...its deep into FI but not seen snow and ice chart with as much fun suggests for a long time...not sure it will verify as there is a lot of uncertainty about the behaviour of the high next week, but I'll take a 2DT right now with its plunging cold fronts and snow shower bands.
Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
Brian Gaze
14 January 2020 06:57:15


It will be very interesting to see how this high pressure scenario plays out during the next couple of weeks. IME even "faux cold" scenarios don't stick around for long. More often than not there's too much of a breeze or muck comes in off the Atlantic over the top of the high.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Main difference this morning with the GFS op is it now shows mild conditions for much of next week. Spring-like at times with the high pressure.



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Berkhamsted
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