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Ally Pally Snowman
05 February 2020 18:03:02


Bring it on to end what has been a terrible winter. The warmer the better for me. Delighted with what is being modelled.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


 


Exactly , we haven't had a winter this year and we are not going to get one so bring on some early warmth. Some extraordinarily early warmth building to our south again just like last year. Hopefully a very warm spring and hot Summer ahead.


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White Meadows
05 February 2020 19:04:57
Holy Moly - it’s going to be goodbye and good riddance once and for all to this complete write-off of a winter:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 

Must be signs of a warm up! Bring on Spring! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ™‚πŸ™‚
Hippydave
05 February 2020 19:22:25

Holy Moly - it’s going to be goodbye and good riddance once and for all to this complete write-off of a winter:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Must be signs of a warm up! Bring on Spring! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ™‚πŸ™‚

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Generally I get fed up with seeing unusual warmth even at the end of winter, as it's just a waste of what could be a cold day but must admit this autumn/winter has been so relentlessly wet and overcast locally that some early warmth and a lack of rain will be most welcome.


The postage stamps don't give any reason to think the HP will move anywhere interesting from a cold POV, so really a case of hoping the pattern doesn't get flattened nearer the time as has been common for the last 2 1/2 months


T2m temps are generally topping out at 15c or so but I'd imagine you could add a couple of degrees to that if the sun's out - the strength of the sun is already getting noticeable down here (when it deigns to appear), so in another couple of weeks it should be even more so.


Usual caveat being it's a deep FI pattern and a long way to go before it's more than just a glimmer in GFS's virtual eye.


 


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tallyho_83
06 February 2020 01:01:13

Holy Moly - it’s going to be goodbye and good riddance once and for all to this complete write-off of a winter:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Must be signs of a warm up! Bring on Spring! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ™‚πŸ™‚

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


And i thought February 2019 (last year!) was a once in a life time unusually warm record breaking month reaching +20 or 21c in some parts and turns out we end up having exact same pattern this year - or at least what the model is forecasting to happen.


Meanwhile the AO is going of the scale positive:



  • We saw the same last year when the zonal winds @ 10hpa went positive and the temp in stratosphere cooled further during February the AO and NAO went exceptionally positive like now. I wonder if they would need a larger scale: 



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picturesareme
06 February 2020 02:22:17

Holy Moly - it’s going to be goodbye and good riddance once and for all to this complete write-off of a winter:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Must be signs of a warm up! Bring on Spring! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ™‚πŸ™‚

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


And yet down under that same run looks to produce a largely uninterrupted spell of below average temperatures for the bulk of Australia.. 

DEW
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06 February 2020 07:01:26

GFS seems to have stabilised on yesterdays's pattern, i.e. high pressure and calm to Friday, large and deep Low over Shetlnd on Monday (945 mb), disturbed westerlies for the whole week with a more local but still deep low over the Hebrides on Friday (975mb). See also comments in 'gales' thread. 


After that HP develops from the south with mild SW-lies, the anticyclone established over W Europe by Wed 19th. The Atlantic has another go on Sat 22nd with a depression coming in from the Atlantic, but that's a long way off.


ECM similar but reduces Friday's LP to a very weak feature.


GEFS ens is down and up in temps to Sun 9th, wet and cold to Fr1 14th, then dry-ish and very mild. Some regional differences- less rain in E in week 1; the NW stays wet throughout. Scottish temp less predictably mild with more variation than further S.


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marting
06 February 2020 07:03:12

Interesting ECM out in FI and out in the GFS ensembles with the block building to our East. Just a case of where it all ends up!


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fairweather
06 February 2020 10:17:55

Find it a bit odd that after a winter of zero cold snaps everybody is talking about record warmth in FI when in 5 days time we have GFS ensembles showing two days of -7C 850's and a snow row of 18 for London. In less than 5 days there are two serious storms. 


Crumbs maybe but .......


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ballamar
06 February 2020 10:37:08
Glad we now have full agreement and consistency between GFS and ECM for 10 days out. Couldn’t be more different!
fullybhoy
06 February 2020 10:43:07


Find it a bit odd that after a winter of zero cold snaps everybody is talking about record warmth in FI when in 5 days time we have GFS ensembles showing two days of -7C 850's and a snow row of 18 for London. In less than 5 days there are two serious storms. 


Crumbs maybe but .......


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Yip, warnings now out for parts of Scotland on Monday for heavy snow 


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Rob K
06 February 2020 10:55:46


Find it a bit odd that after a winter of zero cold snaps everybody is talking about record warmth in FI when in 5 days time we have GFS ensembles showing two days of -7C 850's and a snow row of 18 for London. In less than 5 days there are two serious storms. 


Crumbs maybe but .......


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


Well those snow rows are probably just indicating a bit of sleetiness in the heaviest rain, but yeah, mild it ain't for much of next week. After that the ensembles have lost their tight agreement on mildness but it still looks well above average.


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Rob K
06 February 2020 11:03:59
Groundhog Day charts on the 6Z run... the 78hr, 192hr and 348hr charts are virtually identical with a succession of deep lows piling in on the same track.
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Gooner
06 February 2020 11:25:15

Groundhog Day charts on the 6Z run... the 78hr, 192hr and 348hr charts are virtually identical with a succession of deep lows piling in on the same track.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Totally agree that's one hell of a run , as you say giving low after low after low


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Russwirral
06 February 2020 11:28:29
as Martin says, ECM ends very interestingly

this is literally the only flicker of interest for us cold weather fans.
idj20
06 February 2020 11:33:53

Groundhog Day charts on the 6Z run... the 78hr, 192hr and 348hr charts are virtually identical with a succession of deep lows piling in on the same track.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Trust GFS to piss on the bonfire.  But hopefully that model is just having a bad night and will wake up feeling better in the morning.


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Essan
06 February 2020 12:00:00


Well those snow rows are probably just indicating a bit of sleetiness in the heaviest rain, but yeah, mild it ain't for much of next week. After that the ensembles have lost their tight agreement on mildness but it still looks well above average.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Aye, temperatures could well plummet to near normal for the time of year ....


Although overnight temps looks up on this week with little chance of a decent frost.


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tallyho_83
06 February 2020 12:09:19

as Martin says, ECM ends very interestingly

this is literally the only flicker of interest for us cold weather fans.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Yes ECM @ 240Z:


Look the HIGH pressure is one major block covering Scandinavia and whole of Russia & Siberia.



GFS@ 240:


Quite a difference:



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nsrobins
06 February 2020 13:14:42


 


Yes ECM @ 240Z:


Look the HIGH pressure is one major block covering Scandinavia and whole of Russia & Siberia.


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Its not called LaLa land for nothing, Tally ☺️


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DEW
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06 February 2020 14:00:52


After that HP develops from the south with mild SW-lies, the anticyclone established over W Europe by Wed 19th. The Atlantic has another go on Sat 22nd with a depression coming in from the Atlantic, but that's a long way off.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Sorry to have misled with this morning's summary. As Rob says, it's only taken 6 hours for GFS to do a volte face and produce a string of deep LPs off the Atlantic. But it could be different again tomorrow morning ...


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Russwirral
06 February 2020 14:00:59


 


Yes ECM @ 240Z:


Look the HIGH pressure is one major block covering Scandinavia and whole of Russia & Siberia.



GFS@ 240:


Quite a difference:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


This could be the squeezing of the PV ive heard mutterings of over the past week or so. You can see how thts taking shape above.


 


ECM usually is the form horse when sniffing out changes, more so when milder weather is returning... but still....


 


We shall see


Saint Snow
06 February 2020 14:34:25


 


Sorry to have misled with this morning's summary. As Rob says, it's only taken 6 hours for GFS to do a volte face and produce a string of deep LPs off the Atlantic. But it could be different again tonight ...


Originally Posted by: DEW 


 


Fixed 



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JACKO4EVER
06 February 2020 15:32:20


 


 


This could be the squeezing of the PV ive heard mutterings of over the past week or so. You can see how thts taking shape above.


 


ECM usually is the form horse when sniffing out changes, more so when milder weather is returning... but still....


 


We shall see


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


bad news for us if the squeeze takes place the other side of the pole, it will just displace the vortex to our neck of the woods resulting in cold wind and rain (*usual caveats for mountains of the north apply)

Argyle77
06 February 2020 17:33:16
The Azores high linking up with the expanding Arctic high was a possibility on this mornings ECM run, let's hope it continues this theme in the next run coming out.

Some of our most famous cold spells started like this..
Rob K
06 February 2020 19:47:38

The Azores high linking up with the expanding Arctic high was a possibility on this mornings ECM run, let's hope it continues this theme in the next run coming out.

Some of our most famous cold spells started like this..

Originally Posted by: Argyle77 


 


ECM not playing ball, this evening's 240hr chart is as ugly as sin.


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tallyho_83
06 February 2020 19:58:58


 


 


ECM not playing ball, this evening's 240hr chart is as ugly as sin.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Atlantic just won't give up and back off!!


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