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Caz
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07 February 2020 08:06:02


Oh dear. This is not good. We feared this might happen. It’s coming to pass.


I wonder if this virus could soon mutate due to the volume of cases we are seeing.


My housemate is off to Tokyo I two weeks. I suspect he may be quarantined when he gets back


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

UK authorities are not even screening at airports yet.  We returned last night, over 300 of us on a plane, all who had been on a cruise ship around the infected areas in Asia.  Should we be screening, or are other countries who are screening over reacting?


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xioni2
07 February 2020 08:11:03


Singapore. 


He has logged in here today, maybe he will pop in and say how things are.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


He will probably be fine, especially if he isn't reading this thread.

Roger Parsons
07 February 2020 08:12:10


He will probably be fine, especially if he isn't reading this thread.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



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Bugglesgate
07 February 2020 08:28:59


This was from one 80 year old Chinese individual apparently. It just goes to demonstrate that this corona virus is far more contagious than SARS was.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


It has to be said though that a cruise ship is probably  one of the  best vectors for any contagious disease.  You have a  lot of people sharing a common air con (I bet it doesn't have virus filters)  close living quarters, recreation areas and dining areas.  Lots of people all using the same door handles (etc etc).


 


 


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Maunder Minimum
07 February 2020 09:42:28


 


 


It has to be said though that a cruise ship is probably  one of the  best vectors for any contagious disease.  You have a  lot of people sharing a common air con (I bet it doesn't have virus filters)  close living quarters, recreation areas and dining areas.  Lots of people all using the same door handles (etc etc).


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


A British man on his honeymoon is one of 61 passengers on a cruise ship docked in Japan who are confirmed to have coronavirus.


Alan Steele, 58, of Wolverhampton, is one of 41 British passengers on board the cruise ship Diamond Princess, which is under two weeks’ quarantine in the port of Yokohama near Tokyo. In total there are 3,650 passengers and crew on board.


So far, 20% of those being tested on the cruise ship are reading positive.


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
07 February 2020 09:59:26


 


A British man on his honeymoon is one of 61 passengers on a cruise ship docked in Japan who are confirmed to have coronavirus.


Alan Steele, 58, of Wolverhampton, is one of 41 British passengers on board the cruise ship Diamond Princess, which is under two weeks’ quarantine in the port of Yokohama near Tokyo. In total there are 3,650 passengers and crew on board.


So far, 20% of those being tested on the cruise ship are reading positive.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I bet the Japs probably wish they refused docking and sent it somewhere else, like the Italians do to migrant vessels


 


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Maunder Minimum
07 February 2020 10:37:10

The authorities have been too slow to react. Colleague of mine in Copenhagen has just emailed to say Terminal 3 there is in lockdown:


"Chinese woman in CPH airport has been taken to isolate for corona test after becoming ill with influenza symptoms during flight


Terminal 3 is in lockdown


And the stupid tulips have no idea where all the other passengers are!"


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
07 February 2020 10:55:31

Revenge of the pangolin?


"China scientists identify pangolin as possible coronavirus host


The deadly coronavirus outbreak in China could have spread from bats to humans through the illegal traffic of pangolins, the world's only scaly mammals, which are prized in Asia for food and medicine, Chinese researchers said.


The pangolin is one of Asia's most trafficked mammals, although protected by international law, because its meat is considered a delicacy in countries such as China and its scales are used in traditional medicine, the World Wildlife Fund says."


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Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 11:00:03


 


According to the Guardian, a communist party newspaper has confirmed his death. He was 34. Doesn't exactly conform to the prediction that victims would be old and infirm. 


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


But nobody has said ONLY the old and infirm, just that those groups are the most vulnerable.


 


In passing, here in Singapore, aside from more people wearing face masks everything is still quite normal.  They have a very good healthcare system here and are going the same tracing of possible contacts that the UK is doing.


The latest news here is that there are now 28 cases but over half are within five families and some with links to the first case.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/what-we-know-about-the-5-families-among-singapore-s-confirmed-12400658


 


 


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Maunder Minimum
07 February 2020 11:15:59

Fiat Chrysler has warned that one of its European plants will be forced to halt its production in a matter of days due to a parts shortage as a consequence of supply issues from China.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 11:24:58


Fiat Chrysler has warned that one of its European plants will be forced to halt its production in a matter of days due to a parts shortage as a consequence of supply issues from China.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


The world’s stock markets are falling because there will be some significant disruption if this crisis continues, as seems likely.


Maybe the UK might have to look beyond Huawei if this gets really serious...


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Caz
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07 February 2020 11:28:04


 


But nobody has said ONLY the old and infirm, just that those groups are the most vulnerable.


 


In passing, here in Singapore, aside from more people wearing face masks everything is still quite normal.  They have a very good healthcare system here and are going the same tracing of possible contacts that the UK is doing.


The latest news here is that there are now 28 cases but over half are within five families and some with links to the first case.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/what-we-know-about-the-5-families-among-singapore-s-confirmed-12400658


 


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Good to bear from you Gandalf.  We arrived home last night and I have to say there seems to be more news here in the UK than there was in Singapore and the other Asian countries we visited.  We hardly heard the virus mentioned but were screened for high temperatures at every port where we disembarked for excursions.  It seems odd that there’s more panic in the UK, yet we weren’t screened on our return to Birmingham airport. 


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Caz
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07 February 2020 11:32:59


 


The world’s stock markets are falling because there will be some significant disruption if this crisis continues, as seems likely.


Maybe the UK might have to look beyond Huawei if this gets really serious...


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Yes, we were met at Singapore dock with the news that Chinese companies were losing out on the markets due to the virus.  That was the only news we got really, other than the odd fellow passenger remarking about isolated cases they’d heard about but there was absolutely no panic.  It’s interesting how perceptions and concerns differ across the world. 


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Retron
07 February 2020 11:35:37


 The world’s stock markets are falling ...


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


...from record highs yesterday. E.G. the Dow Jones:


https://www.ig.com/uk/indices/markets-indices/wall-street


Doubtless they'll fall again, another good buying opportunity!


(Just like SARS, in that respect. Mass panic = cheap shares.)


 


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xioni2
07 February 2020 11:38:09


 In passing, here in Singapore, aside from more people wearing face masks everything is still quite normal.  They have a very good healthcare system here and are going the same tracing of possible contacts that the UK is doing.


The latest news here is that there are now 28 cases but over half are within five families and some with links to the first case.


 

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Quantum thinks it's out of control in Singapore, so you should panic now.

Caz
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07 February 2020 11:42:47


It has to be said though that a cruise ship is probably  one of the  best vectors for any contagious disease.  You have a  lot of people sharing a common air con (I bet it doesn't have virus filters)  close living quarters, recreation areas and dining areas.  Lots of people all using the same door handles (etc etc).


 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

Yes, I’d say you’re right.  Although the ship we were on had automatic doors, hand sanitiser dispensers everywhere and regular reminders to use them.  In addition to your comments, the plane we came home on had over 300 passengers, all who had been on the same cruise ship, a 13 hour flight, all in close proximity, breathing the same air!  Even more chance of spreading a virus.


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Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 11:52:09


Good to bear from you Gandalf.  We arrived home last night and I have to say there seems to be more news here in the UK than there was in Singapore and the other Asian countries we visited.  We hardly heard the virus mentioned but were screened for high temperatures at every port where we disembarked for excursions.  It seems odd that there’s more panic in the UK, yet we weren’t screened on our return to Birmingham airport. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Glad you’re back safely and didn’t have your holiday affected.


We spoke to a number of people on our short cruise who had had their next leg up to Beijing cancelled.  


They were very careful on our ship. The company cancelled the bookings of anyone who had been in China in the previous two weeks and were emphasising the need for regular and thorough hand washing. There were also sanitising fluid dispensers outside every food outlet.


Singapore has over 5.5 million people and 28 is an infinitesimally small proportion- and they’re all traceable to people who have been in or come from China or close contacts.


 


 


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Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 11:53:58


 


Quantum thinks it's out of control in Singapore, so you should panic now.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Quantum thinks Brexit is a good idea.  I think his judgement is questionable.


Is he still holed up at home?


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xioni2
07 February 2020 12:07:50


Quantum thinks Brexit is a good idea.  I think his judgement is questionable.


Is he still holed up at home?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Last I heard he was trying to go into a spaceship in order to survive the virus.

Brian Gaze
07 February 2020 12:20:36
I heard he's looking for blogs which claim the mortality rate is 60%. Minimum.
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Saint Snow
07 February 2020 12:22:59

I heard he's looking for a Twinkie Bar



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Quantum
07 February 2020 12:31:51

Continue to mock me, it's nice to see people are not taking this seriously.


Meanwhile: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-outbreak-alert-upped-to-orange-as-more-cases-surface-with-no-known-links-more


 


So yes it is going out of control in Singapore.


 


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Quantum
07 February 2020 12:35:44

And why people think the high mortality rate is a source of amusment is something else I don't understand. 10% is a conservative estimate based on some of the literature being put out. There are higher figures being reported. And yes, it may well be the case, there are a bunch of mild cases that may partially or fully ofsett the lag effect but if that is the case it suggests R0 is far higher than the already high value it is estimated to be.


Nothing about this is good or a source of amusment. And the people that panicked unnecessarily about brexit are, ironically, the ones that are not taking this seriously. Alot of reputable medical proffesionals think that a pandemic is inevitable and we can only slow down the spread.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
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2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
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26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 13:04:10


Continue to mock me, it's nice to see people are not taking this seriously.


Meanwhile: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-outbreak-alert-upped-to-orange-as-more-cases-surface-with-no-known-links-more


 


So yes it is going out of control in Singapore.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Quantum, that's just boll**ks.  Try reading the link I provide details above: they know about every case and, as far as I can see, they've all got a link to people arriving from China.


Your posts are dangerous, misleading, scaremongering nonsense.


 


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Heavy Weather 2013
07 February 2020 13:05:02


 


Quantum, that's just boll**ks.  Try reading the link I provide details above: they know about every case and, as far as I can see, they've all got a link to people arriving from China.


Your posts are dangerous, misleading, scaremongering nonsense.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Oh the irony.


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