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RobN
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10 February 2020 15:25:12

An example of the disruption here in the flatlands - and a very rare sight indeed - the M11 just south of Cambridge deserted - closed yesterday due to fears that a wind damaged hangar roof at Duxford Imperial War Museum could blow off. A one-mile exclusion zone was enforced around the building as it was deemed unsafe.



The M11 and A505 were only re-opened today at 12:30.


Rob
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Hungry Tiger
10 February 2020 20:27:09

I have to say the forecasts were excellent as were the warnings as well. Top notch accolades to all those involved.


I've seen enough round where I live - had this been a week day with more poeple around things might have been a lot worse.


 


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Tim A
10 February 2020 21:15:59
50mph gusts again now associated with this showery area of sleet moving SE over us.
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Tim A
10 February 2020 21:16:50
50mph gusts again now associated with this showery area of sleet moving SE over us.
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10 February 2020 21:20:56
64mph here just now, really should have been a full warning I'd have thought.
idj20
10 February 2020 22:33:24

The GFS has Lydd down for 33 mph with 51 mph gusts at this point, but the actual speed is 22 mph mean and I've just popped outside to read the meter and it felt quite calm (although it was in my east-facing back yard). 

All eyes on this coming weekend's system but I think it's looking more like a "standard" Atlantic winter storm hanging slightly further north away from the UK with marginally lower peak wind speeds than Ciara for here at Kent. While it is associated with a jet stream pulse, it doesn't seem to want to act as a piggy back for a secondary low which Ciara was. 

I think it will be assigned the Dennis name come the moment but by Met Eireann based on possible impacts to their part of the British Isles but doubtless the newspaper media will take it on as a huge once in a millennium nationwide affair.  


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johncs2016
11 February 2020 00:46:01

I'm posting a link here to this video on YouTube which shows a building collapsing into the RiverTeviot down in Hawick in the Scottish Borders, with that being one of the many impacts which Storm Ciara has had accross the country. Of course, I don't actually come from Hawick and am not down there just now.


However, there are members of my family who live in Hawick and for that reason, I always spend every Christmas down there as well as a couple of weeks during the summer. Luckily, this isn't an incident which has directly affected my family in anyway as both my Mum and my sister live in different parts of Hawick which are well away from where this incident happened.


However, Hawick is one of those close knit Scottish Borders communities where just about everyone knows everyone else. As a result of that, my sister had already posted  this link to an article about this incident on Facebook which shows the extent of the damage which has been caused by that.


 


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idj20
11 February 2020 11:21:43

Autumn 2019/20 continues for us here at Kent. While I still think wind speeds with Dennis are likely to be marginally lower than Ciara, it looks like being longer lasting with rain likely to be more of a feature thus bringing unwanted flooding to already saturated ground.

The sooner this sorry excuse of a "Winter" is out of the way, the better, especially where it may be worth hoping for the various models idea of high pressure building back over us for the second half of this month to bear fruit.


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lanky
11 February 2020 15:34:09


Whilst it may not have been too bad in central London yesterday I would say the damage around here justified the warnings. Plenty of trees in the locality were toppled which is unusual for this time of the year. I also had a chat with the roofers who came to fix the damage to our house this morning. Their schedule was full for the next few days! 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Although quite a severe storm I have a feeling that we have had quite a long period (2014-2020) without anything that major in terms of winds.


I had a quick look through my collection of newspaper articles on previous storms (1975-) and then linked these back to the Met Office Digital Diary to have a look at the actual synpotics for that event (and took screen prints so I could assess them all together)


IMO there are about 40 UK storms in that period of similar or greater severity that Ciara in that last 45 years so I would put Ciara as a once per year event somewhere in the UK (often Scotland)


This is a more frequent figure than I was expecting but having said that, Ciara affected a wide area of the UK including the south and south-east which is more unusual


 


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Phil G
11 February 2020 18:24:34


Autumn 2019/20 continues for us here at Kent. While I still think wind speeds with Dennis are likely to be marginally lower than Ciara, it looks like being longer lasting with rain likely to be more of a feature thus bringing unwanted flooding to already saturated ground.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


As you say, it looks like its shaping into a virtual rinse and repeat between Saturday and Monday Ian with misery for some.

Brian Gaze
11 February 2020 18:40:45


 


Although quite a severe storm I have a feeling that we have had quite a long period (2014-2020) without anything that major in terms of winds.


I had a quick look through my collection of newspaper articles on previous storms (1975-) and then linked these back to the Met Office Digital Diary to have a look at the actual synpotics for that event (and took screen prints so I could assess them all together)


IMO there are about 40 UK storms in that period of similar or greater severity that Ciara in that last 45 years so I would put Ciara as a once per year event somewhere in the UK (often Scotland)


This is a more frequent figure than I was expecting but having said that, Ciara affected a wide area of the UK including the south and south-east which is more unusual


 


Originally Posted by: lanky 


Yes I think that is the point. Ciara was not a once per year event for the south east. Dennis the Menace could be more typical.  


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idj20
11 February 2020 20:22:47

Speaking of Dennis (yes, this has been done to death by now but here's my take on it anyway) . . .


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idj20
12 February 2020 10:10:10

I see GFS is now trying to show 70+ mph gusts on Saturday night/early Sunday morning for the SE, pretty much close to the same strength as Ciara, thanks to a shortwave formation trying to take place while over the UK. It's also an overnight event so I suspect a restless anxious night awaits us, although it will do an excellent job in putting off the local night club closing time pissheads from hanging around outside.

AND it is even starting to look like going the same way the weekend after! That is a very long way off in forecasting terms but knowing our mid-latitude climate I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just frustrated that what was looking like a gentle end to the month is starting to evaporate away. 


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johncs2016
12 February 2020 11:12:57


I see GFS is now trying to show 70+ mph gusts on Saturday night/early Sunday morning for the SE, pretty much close to the same strength as Ciara, thanks to a shortwave formation trying to take place while over the UK. It's also an overnight event so I suspect a restless anxious night awaits us, although it will do an excellent job in putting off the local night club closing time pissheads from hanging around outside.

AND it is even starting to look like going the same way the weekend after! That is a very long way off in forecasting terms but knowing our mid-latitude climate I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just frustrated that what was looking like a gentle end to the month is starting to evaporate away. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


This would suggest then, that there is a chance of us seeing Storm Ellen (which is the next name in that list after Dennis) during that following weekend. If that happens, it will then be the third named storm of this month after these being very hard to come by before this month started.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
idj20
13 February 2020 09:05:26





Certainly felt that southerly gale last night here at Folkestone, far worse than Ciara. While thankfully the squall line appeared to have weakened by the time it got here at 5.30 am, I got 8.2 mm of rain out of it anyway. How did the recycling bins I've left out for the collectors did not go for a wander about, I'll never know.

Have at least 24 hours of strong SW gales to look forward to this weekend, along with GFS's 00z idea of 80 mph gusts due to a modelled shortwave formation (but other models are less extreme).





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DEW
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13 February 2020 10:45:42


 


Yes I think that is the point. Ciara was not a once per year event for the south east. Dennis the Menace could be more typical.  


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Q Why are storms like buses?


A You wait ages for one, and then three come along at once.


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Saint Snow
13 February 2020 10:57:55


Speaking of Dennis (yes, this has been done to death by now but here's my take on it anyway) . . .


Originally Posted by: idj20 


 


I always enjoy your excellent cartoon, Ian...


...but why is there a pair of testicles on Northern Ireland?


 


 



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idj20
13 February 2020 11:25:31


 


 


I always enjoy your excellent cartoon, Ian...


...but why is there a pair of testicles on Northern Ireland?


 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Cheers and it does, others had said the same thing so here's the re-amended version . . .



Folkestone Harbour. 
warrenb
13 February 2020 11:43:04
I see the amber warnings are now coming out for that shortwave for rain down here in the SE. This will cause flooding if it happens, as the ground is totally saturated and even last nights rain caused some flooding and road closures.
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13 February 2020 18:05:45

I see the amber warnings are now coming out for that shortwave for rain down here in the SE. This will cause flooding if it happens, as the ground is totally saturated and even last nights rain caused some flooding and road closures.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


Indeed, and the upper catchment area for the Medway is in the amber area.  The river level upstream of Tonbridge is already close to the top of the banks, and with immaculate timing, the A21 Tonbridge bypass (which for non-locals crosses the Medway flood plain on a viaduct high enough up to remain open no matter how bad the flooding in the valley gets) is closed for 10 days from tomorrow for major repairs.


I wonder if we'll need a Flood Reports thread.


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Clare
13 February 2020 19:09:13
Over the border here in Mid Sussex, we had several road closures due flooding this morning... and many more roads only passable in single file.If this rain comes off there will be many more as ground is already fully laden..
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SOakley
13 February 2020 19:39:05


 


Indeed, and the upper catchment area for the Medway is in the amber area.  The river level upstream of Tonbridge is already close to the top of the banks, and with immaculate timing, the A21 Tonbridge bypass (which for non-locals crosses the Medway flood plain on a viaduct high enough up to remain open no matter how bad the flooding in the valley gets) is closed for 10 days from tomorrow for major repairs.


I wonder if we'll need a Flood Reports thread.


Originally Posted by: AJ* 


 


The River Severn in Tewkesbury is already flooding ,to a depth of 3.8m + ( a height above 2.8m causes flooding).Not so much of a problem yet,as this is the 5 or 6th time since September that the Severn has broke its banks ,but only to levels that are normal and seen on a regular basis.But its worrying if anything over an inch of rain falls this weekend,think it could potentially get a lot more serious.To get some context for the flooding impact, in 2007 the river depth reached a record 5.5m and 2014 about 5m


 


 


Tewkesbury vid - the Town Of 3 Rivers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=861ZnyBWeB0&t=424s

The Beast from the East
13 February 2020 19:41:57

ground is so saturated that the showers we had today caused immediate mini lakes on the lawn. Not a good sign 


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warrenb
13 February 2020 20:15:53


 


Indeed, and the upper catchment area for the Medway is in the amber area.  The river level upstream of Tonbridge is already close to the top of the banks, and with immaculate timing, the A21 Tonbridge bypass (which for non-locals crosses the Medway flood plain on a viaduct high enough up to remain open no matter how bad the flooding in the valley gets) is closed for 10 days from tomorrow for major repairs.


I wonder if we'll need a Flood Reports thread.


Originally Posted by: AJ* 


Indeed and this very same a21 was closed both ways this morning between north farm and vauxhall because of carriageway flooding. Pembury resovoir burst on Sunday flooding five oak green and parts of tudeley.  This rain on Sunday could be very bad news for Tonbridge


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13 February 2020 20:37:38

Went through flooding on the A264 and fields around Hartfield flooded.  Downgrade on netweather, 58mm this weekend for E. Grinstead but still enough to cause disruption.  Railway line between E. Grinstead and Dormans has a replacement bus service due to flooding on the line. 26.6mm in past 24 hours. 


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