Will our resident Dr Pangloss turn out to be a super spreader?

I would not visit Singapore, Thailand or Malaysia at the moment and flying back means being stuck in a metal cylinder breathing recycled air for several hours.

Gandalf, if you start feeling unwell, you know what to do

As Maunder says, we are always just one step away from savagery

Just look at the London Riots in 2011 for example. When the plebs realised the police had lost control and they could rob and steal and be violent with impunity, they did just that

The advice from PHE is to self isolate for 14 days if you are coming from China. There is no advice to do so if coming from anywhere else in the Far East.

Singapore have confirmed that of their 58 cases, 7 are in intensive care so your 'best guess' on serious cases is a fair one.

Hot-foot it to West Worcestershire and embrace the middle-aged gammon with the Union Jack fluttering in his garden?

Stormzy cancels tour because of corona-virus:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51490059

Bledur is an agricultural fellow, Gandalf, used to cleaning parts of creatures and equipment other people do not usually reach. I'm sure he has what I had for doing AI - a sweater with one long and one short arm. [My wife is a thoughtful soul. "Tea's ready, dear. Go and wash your arm!"] If you need a deep clean I'm sure you could get him to give you a once-over with a pressure hose!

R

Everyone flying out of Changi (Singapore's airport) had their temperature checked as they went to passport control.

Prior to touchdown at Heathrow there was announcement asking passengers to let cabin crew know if they had a sore throat, persistent cough, temperature or felt unwell. To be honest that seemed somewhat pointless because to say 'yes' would invite medical checks and potential isolation.  Other than that, nothing obvious at T5, which surprised me given that two flights from Singapore arrived within minutes of each other.

Maybe - although that is 12% and not 15% and Four's suggestion of a 2% mortality rate is currently just a guess.

As I've said before, I am certain that the quality of medical care is a significant factor, both in terms of early detection and then treatment. Based on what we've seen so far I think mortality rates here will be lower than China is seeing and even within China there's a spread with Hubei province being the worst.

LOL

I have a pressure hose but I think the shock of being sprayed with bl**dy cold water is more likely to kill me than is the virus, thanks all the same.

😉

It's been the NHS advice since almost the beginning.

Your problem, MM, is you think everyone is like you.

FFS no one knows if it will be similar. Whether or not something like that happens again is down to random chance. It's not something that can easily be predicted. There are no good reasons this can't be another spanish flu. It might, probably, won't be but being complacent about this shows only ignorance of pandemics.

This is the page my Patient Access links to. Don't think you need a login to open it.

https://patient.info/news-and-features/covid-19-do-you-need-to-worry-about-coronavirus

Whilst posting hysterical comments shows even greater ignorance.

I’ve probably done more reading on the issue of viruses jumping the species barrier into humans than you and in particular AIDS and Ebola.  

What I will not do is indulge in wild and groundless speculation, which you have favoured from the outset. 

Of course you indulge in wild and groundless speculation. You rarely do anything else as far as brexit is concerned.

And what hysterical comments in particular are you reffering to?

Just because the numbers are confusing. Here are the daily number of new cases over the last few days in Hubei. I've separated by old method/clinical

8th February: 2060

9th February: 2618

10th February: 2097

11th February: 1638

12th February: 1508/13332*

13th February: 1728/3095

*This is likely to be high because it includes accumulated cases.

13th is up on the 12th and 11th but not hugely.

My thoughts on Brexit are irrelevant to this thread but as you’ve seen fit to raise it, my predictions are looking pretty good so far on Brexit and this Johnson government. No doubt just like Maunder you’re incapable of seeing the direction of travel.

As for your hysterical overreaction just read your posts and some of the reactions. The actions you’ve taken personally are just a ludicrous, extreme overreaction. Again not just my opinion.

Relevant to the Coronavirus saga...

When I was a nipper in the 50s many of us got mumps and we were asked to stay in quarantine at home for 2 weeks.
Later things changed and fake news about the MMR jab stopped some people getting their kids immunised. Stupido...

Mumps cases hit decade high in England
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51493496

Roger

Can't be sure as you'll see if you watch this but one of them reminds me of someone.

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/Ehgi9wkmlN2gm_WAe7yUqg

You might need to brush up on your Chinese but as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

对，因为怕死 虽然这个病毒的致死率并不太高 但对胆小一族来说 要把所有的传染源都掐死在摇篮里！ 疫情之下，人的胆子能有多小？ 快来看看这位阿姨 哦不……看看这位圣诞树

Yes, because of fear of death Although the death rate of this virus is not too high, but for the timid family, all the sources of infection should be strangled in the cradle! How small can a person's guts be under an outbreak? Come and see this aunt, oh no... Look at this Christmas tree.

Thank you Google translate...

Have just noticed this story - anyone know more?
"Health officials have contacted hundreds of conference attendees in London, after it emerged one of them was later diagnosed with coronavirus.
The person, who has not been identified, was at the UK Bus Summit at the QEII Conference Centre last week."

Coronavirus: UK conference attendees warned over case
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51503292

Roger

Indeed, imagine if most people here and in most developed countries  did what Quantum has done since late January (reduce/stop social interactions, stockpiling etc.), more people would be harmed by the economic impacts of these actions than by the virus itself.