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The Beast from the East
25 February 2020 09:21:36

I thought the job of a Minister was NOT to panic people


 


 




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Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 09:27:15

Potential outbreak being investigated in Tenerife


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 09:28:34

Don't go on holiday. Ever again. Anywhere! (Other than the lovely coast of Wales that is):


"Meanwhile, in Tenerife around 1,000 holidaymakers staying at a hotel are said to have been quarantined after an Italian tourist tested positive for coronavirus. "


Before anyone gets censorious, my comment was a joke, but the bit about the Italian tourist in Tenerife is true.


 


New world order coming.
Darren S
25 February 2020 10:05:44


Don't go on holiday. Ever again. Anywhere! (Other than the lovely coast of Wales that is):


"Meanwhile, in Tenerife around 1,000 holidaymakers staying at a hotel are said to have been quarantined after an Italian tourist tested positive for coronavirus. "


Before anyone gets censorious, my comment was a joke, but the bit about the Italian tourist in Tenerife is true.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


With Tenerife being a long way south, conditions there are more like a British summer at the moment. No doubt the Italian tourist brought it in. Let's hope that there has been no local transmission in Tenerife - if there is, it might suggest that the virus can carry on spreading through the summer months. 


So far there's no evidence of any local transmission in any part of the world that is currently experiencing summer-like conditions (apart from Singapore, but I'm wondering about the role of excessive air conditioning?). The whole world is relying on spring / summer damping this all down - the tourism industry and the Summer Olympics in particular.


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 10:17:49


With Tenerife being a long way south, conditions there are more like a British summer at the moment. No doubt the Italian tourist brought it in. Let's hope that there has been no local transmission in Tenerife - if there is, it might suggest that the virus can carry on spreading through the summer months.


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


The other point is that clearly the situation in Italy is not yet under control, if a random tourist from Italy can carry the virus to Tenerife.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 10:25:31


 


The other point is that clearly the situation in Italy is not yet under control, if a random tourist from Italy can carry the virus to Tenerife.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


But we know now that the virus can be transmitted when people are asymptotic so a solitary visitor from Italy surely confirms nothing more than what we know already?


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Darren S
25 February 2020 10:27:58


 


The other point is that clearly the situation in Italy is not yet under control, if a random tourist from Italy can carry the virus to Tenerife.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I believe that tourist had been there for nearly a week. The situation in Lombardy and Veneto really only kicked off since then.


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 10:43:03


I thought the job of a Minister was NOT to panic people


 


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


To be fair, that's pretty much what the evidence suggests if it should become established here.


Best to avoid Chinese, Italian, Korean and Iranian restaurants for the foreseeable future, then.  


We're off to an Italian restaurant on Thursday.... 😱😃


Location: South Cambridgeshire
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Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 10:54:54

It is not only me who is critical of WHO:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls


"Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary and independent candidate for mayor of London, has criticised the World Health Organisation for being “far too slow” to describe the new coronavirus outbreak as a global pandemic.


At an event in London, run by Christian Aid on Monday night, Steward said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the WHO was “not getting this response right.”


“They have been far too slow to declare a public health emergency of international concern, a month too late, and they have been far too slow to declare a global pandemic,” he said.


On Tuesday, he told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme the WHO’s failure to declare the outbreak a global pandemic, was “big problem” as it held up World Bank funds to developing countries and thus had increased the chance of the virus spreading to countries like Britain.


Stewart said: “Tedros has been unbelievably slow, firstly to declare a world health emergency and then a global pandemic.”


..."


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
25 February 2020 10:55:15


I thought the job of a Minister was NOT to panic people


 


 




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I'm not fan but I would sooner have a minister being honest than doing the happy clapping routine. People deserve factual information. Both scaremongering and playing down the risk are equally unwelcome. 


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speckledjim
25 February 2020 11:10:47
41 new cases in Italy which if confirmed will be the lowest increase for 3 days. Perhaps they are beginning to get it under control with the steps they have taken.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Gandalf The White
25 February 2020 11:14:30


It is not only me who is critical of WHO:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls


"Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary and independent candidate for mayor of London, has criticised the World Health Organisation for being “far too slow” to describe the new coronavirus outbreak as a global pandemic.


At an event in London, run by Christian Aid on Monday night, Steward said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the WHO was “not getting this response right.”


“They have been far too slow to declare a public health emergency of international concern, a month too late, and they have been far too slow to declare a global pandemic,” he said.


On Tuesday, he told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme the WHO’s failure to declare the outbreak a global pandemic, was “big problem” as it held up World Bank funds to developing countries and thus had increased the chance of the virus spreading to countries like Britain.


Stewart said: “Tedros has been unbelievably slow, firstly to declare a world health emergency and then a global pandemic.”


..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


That us, with respect, just one person's opinion and he's not a healthcare expert or a scientist.


Like you, he seems to share a lack of understanding of what the threshold is for declaring  global pandemic.


In any event, as I've said before, the WHO's role is one of coordination and a source of expert advice. On top of that neither Mr Stewart nor you nor I know what has been going on in the background, although I think a lot has been happening.  


Exactly what difference do you think holding a news conference and declaring a global pandemic will have?  I would have thought the square root of not a lot.


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Brian Gaze
25 February 2020 11:22:23


It is not only me who is critical of WHO:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls


"Rory Stewart, the former international development secretary and independent candidate for mayor of London, has criticised the World Health Organisation for being “far too slow” to describe the new coronavirus outbreak as a global pandemic.


At an event in London, run by Christian Aid on Monday night, Steward said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the WHO was “not getting this response right.”


“They have been far too slow to declare a public health emergency of international concern, a month too late, and they have been far too slow to declare a global pandemic,” he said.


On Tuesday, he told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme the WHO’s failure to declare the outbreak a global pandemic, was “big problem” as it held up World Bank funds to developing countries and thus had increased the chance of the virus spreading to countries like Britain.


Stewart said: “Tedros has been unbelievably slow, firstly to declare a world health emergency and then a global pandemic.”


..."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Surely they have defined criteria for what constitutes a pandemic? Therefore, those criteria are either met or they are not. I am certain that Tedros is advised on whether the threshold has been reached or not - I doubt he just rolls out of bed and decides as he sees fit. I would sooner trust the WHO than Mad Rory whose medical knowledge may or may not be deeper and more extensive than mine.


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Berkhamsted
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ozone_aurora
25 February 2020 11:28:09

It seems that the virus does not affect most children.

Ally Pally Snowman
25 February 2020 11:53:09

54 new cases in Italy today now. 1st case confirmed in Croatia. And the deputy health minister of Iran has the coronavirus just another sign of just how badly Iran is being hit now.


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Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 12:03:16


54 new cases in Italy today now. 1st case confirmed in Croatia. And the deputy health minister of Iran has the coronavirus just another sign of just how badly Iran is being hit now.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Iran has a particular problem when it comes to the government response there. The virus is spreading via their holy sites, pilgrimages and mosques - since Iran is a clerical dictatorship, it stands to reason that senior members of the government are going to be exposed to the contagion when they perform their religious duties and given the theocratic state that Iran is, the authorities are not going to decree that mosques should be shutdown for the duration of the epidemic. Unfortunately, Iran will lead to a widening epidemic in neighbouring states as pilgrims return from Iran's holy sites, as we have already witnessed.


As for Croatia, it borders Italy.


New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 12:06:01

Austria now has a confirmed case.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 12:11:25


Austria now has a confirmed case.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Predictable, given the problems in its neighbour to the south:





Austria confirms first two coronavirus cases, the governor of Tyrol province Guenther Platter told Austrian Press Agency (APA) on Tuesday.


One of the patients is reportedly from Italy's virus-hit Lombardy region.


 





New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 12:12:40

A school in Cheshire has been forced to close amid concerns that students returning to the UK from a ski trip to Italy could be infected with Coronavirus.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/25/coronavirus-live-updates-outbreak-latest-news-italy-italia-deaths-symptoms-china-stocks-wall-street-dow-jones-economy-falls


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 12:14:27


 


Predictable, given the problems in its neighbour to the south:





Austria confirms first two coronavirus cases, the governor of Tyrol province Guenther Platter told Austrian Press Agency (APA) on Tuesday.


One of the patients is reportedly from Italy's virus-hit Lombardy region.


 





Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Italy is now turning into a 'hub' for the virus in the same way China has been for alot of Asian countries including SK.


The government should now consider urgent measures to ground flights to and from Italy until we are clear things are under control. 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
25 February 2020 12:17:53

Italy and SK are taking this seriously. That's good.


Iran is a disaster, we all knew they were lying from the outset. They have completely lost control and have no hope in regaining it. We must immediately close our border to Iran and ban all indirect travel.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
25 February 2020 12:19:30

Iran will sink us all. Absolutely ridiculous country.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Heavy Weather 2013
25 February 2020 12:20:45


Italy and SK are taking this seriously. That's good.


Iran is a disaster, we all knew they were lying from the outset. They have completely lost control and have no hope in regaining it. We must immediately close our border to Iran and ban all indirect travel.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


The Middle East will soon be a no go zone.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Quantum
25 February 2020 12:24:11


 


The Middle East will soon be a no go zone.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


It's in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman already.


All because Iran refused to take this seriously. All the work to contain this has been undermined by one country.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Maunder Minimum
25 February 2020 12:28:29


 


It's in Afghanistan, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman already.


All because Iran refused to take this seriously. All the work to contain this has been undermined by one country.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I have been reading an in-depth report on why Iran has become a regional epi-centre. Early in the outbreak, the Mullahs declared solidarity with China, continued transport links without restriction and even sent two million face masks to help the Chinese efforts (face masks which are now needed in Iran).


Instead of considering the needs and safety of the Iranian people, the Iranian authorities considered their strategic alliance with China to be more important - a consummate failure of statecraft.


 


New world order coming.

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