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Lionel Hutz
27 February 2020 08:42:58


The WHO make a mockery of their own definition:


What is a pandemic?


24 February 2010


A pandemic is the worldwide spread of a new disease.


An influenza pandemic occurs when a new influenza virus emerges and spreads around the world, and most people do not have immunity. Viruses that have caused past pandemics typically originated from animal influenza viruses.


Source: https://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/frequently_asked_questions/pandemic/en/


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


There seems to be some pressure to declare this outbreak a pandemic. What difference will it make if WHO does declare a pandemic?


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



speckledjim
27 February 2020 08:48:40


SK saw a 40% increase in new cases today. Up from the 29% from the day before.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


which is due to the huge increase in testing that they have started.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Maunder Minimum
27 February 2020 09:00:20


 


There seems to be some pressure to declare this outbreak a pandemic. What difference will it make if WHO does declare a pandemic?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


The Times today - Leading article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-the-spread-of-coronavirus-panic-stations-b90xrhw62


"...


By the WHO’s own criteria the geographic scope of the virus and its potential lethality should qualify it as a pandemic. This formal confirmation accelerates decisions on the composition, dosage and schedules of vaccines. It further facilitates guidance on the best use of antiviral drugs. Declaring a pandemic is more than semantics. It helps to standardise national responses, puts pressure on countries to update their plans and allocate hospital space.


The world has grown smarter since then and, because of increasing global travel, more dangerous. There is thus no excuse for the WHO to delay. It may fear creating panic and it may be under pressure to play down the impact of the coronavirus lest it nudge the global economy towards recession. Instead the WHO’s leadership prefers to laud China’s attempts to stamp out the virus rather than highlight Beijing’s initial delayed response. That is simply not good enough. China’s reporting has to be held up to scrutiny. Its wildlife and “wet” markets, under the purview of local councils rather than central government, have long been a source of diseases passed from animal to human. Soon Covid-19 virus, left unchecked, will pass into states in Africa and beyond. The WHO is being frighteningly complacent."


Wow! Mirrors what some of us have been saying for days.


New world order coming.
speckledjim
27 February 2020 09:06:36


 


The Times today - Leading article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-the-spread-of-coronavirus-panic-stations-b90xrhw62


"...


By the WHO’s own criteria the geographic scope of the virus and its potential lethality should qualify it as a pandemic. This formal confirmation accelerates decisions on the composition, dosage and schedules of vaccines. It further facilitates guidance on the best use of antiviral drugs. Declaring a pandemic is more than semantics. It helps to standardise national responses, puts pressure on countries to update their plans and allocate hospital space.


The world has grown smarter since then and, because of increasing global travel, more dangerous. There is thus no excuse for the WHO to delay. It may fear creating panic and it may be under pressure to play down the impact of the coronavirus lest it nudge the global economy towards recession. Instead the WHO’s leadership prefers to laud China’s attempts to stamp out the virus rather than highlight Beijing’s initial delayed response. That is simply not good enough. China’s reporting has to be held up to scrutiny. Its wildlife and “wet” markets, under the purview of local councils rather than central government, have long been a source of diseases passed from animal to human. Soon Covid-19 virus, left unchecked, will pass into states in Africa and beyond. The WHO is being frighteningly complacent."


Wow! Mirrors what some of us have been saying for days.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


well if the media are saying so then I'm sure the WHO will bow to their expert knowledge


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Heavy Weather 2013
27 February 2020 09:08:08


 


 


well if the media are saying so then I'm sure the WHO will bow to their expert knowledge


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Erm, its there own definition that they seem to be ignoring. If its not a Pandemic, they need to revisit their definition.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Heavy Weather 2013
27 February 2020 09:11:39

Two more confirmed cases in the UK.


Patients were connected to Italy and Tenerife


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
27 February 2020 09:15:39


Two more confirmed cases in the UK.


Patients were connected to Italy and Tenerife


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I would presume the Tenerife case is someone who returned from the affected hotel before it was locked down.


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 09:23:17


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 09:34:39


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 09:36:08


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 09:41:19


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Lionel Hutz
27 February 2020 09:43:21


 


The Times today - Leading article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-the-spread-of-coronavirus-panic-stations-b90xrhw62


"...


By the WHO’s own criteria the geographic scope of the virus and its potential lethality should qualify it as a pandemic. This formal confirmation accelerates decisions on the composition, dosage and schedules of vaccines. It further facilitates guidance on the best use of antiviral drugs. Declaring a pandemic is more than semantics. It helps to standardise national responses, puts pressure on countries to update their plans and allocate hospital space.


The world has grown smarter since then and, because of increasing global travel, more dangerous. There is thus no excuse for the WHO to delay. It may fear creating panic and it may be under pressure to play down the impact of the coronavirus lest it nudge the global economy towards recession. Instead the WHO’s leadership prefers to laud China’s attempts to stamp out the virus rather than highlight Beijing’s initial delayed response. That is simply not good enough. China’s reporting has to be held up to scrutiny. Its wildlife and “wet” markets, under the purview of local councils rather than central government, have long been a source of diseases passed from animal to human. Soon Covid-19 virus, left unchecked, will pass into states in Africa and beyond. The WHO is being frighteningly complacent."


Wow! Mirrors what some of us have been saying for days.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Thanks, that answers my question.


Lionel Hutz
Nr.Waterford , S E Ireland
68m ASL



Maunder Minimum
27 February 2020 09:44:08

Beast, you are exhibiting symptoms of Twitteritus again


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 09:48:20

UK now on 15. Does that put us ahead of France? 


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Saint Snow
27 February 2020 09:51:35


 What difference will it make if WHO does declare a pandemic?


Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


 


It'll generate masturbatory urges in certain UIA posters.


 


 


 


 



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Heavy Weather 2013
27 February 2020 10:02:30

Japan latest:


Japanese PM Shinzo Abe has called for all schools to close from 2 March for several weeks.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Gandalf The White
27 February 2020 10:04:12


Well, we have a pandemic, whether the WHO are minded to call it such or not.


As ever, ideology has trumped protecting people and populations.


 



Open borders to the outside, open border to the inside.
“heaven” for criminals, illegal immigration and now illness.
 
We have been let down by the system again -

All travel to and from China should have been suspended at the outset.
All tourism to the Far East should have been stopped at the outset.
All cruises in the region should have been stopped at the outset.
All non-essential movement should have been stopped at the outset.
 
Once Italy became an epi-centre, borders should have been closed as soon as practicable - unfortunately, Italy coincided with half term holidays and all those ski trips - Denmark has announced its first cases today - a Danish family who went skiing in Italy last week.
 
There is no stopping the spread now. People say "oh don't worry, no worse than the flu and mortality rate is low" - that is complacent nonsense. It is not the headline death rate which counts, but the 20% hospitalisation rate which is the massive issue - there is no immunity to this virus and healthcare systems across Europe, including the NHS, will be overwhelmed if we end up in similar situations to China and Iran.
 




Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Sorry but clearly you have no idea what you’re talking about. 


‘Ideology’ has played no part in this.


For the umpteenth time, the WHO has no powers: suggesting this should have been stopped or that should have been closed is just daft. It is for individual countries to decide how to respond.


Given the growing economic impacts I’m surprised you are advocating earlier and more drastic damage to the economy of every country involved.  


It’s about weighting the risks and hindsight is not an available decision-making tool.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
27 February 2020 10:07:00


 


The Times today - Leading article:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-the-spread-of-coronavirus-panic-stations-b90xrhw62


"...


By the WHO’s own criteria the geographic scope of the virus and its potential lethality should qualify it as a pandemic. This formal confirmation accelerates decisions on the composition, dosage and schedules of vaccines. It further facilitates guidance on the best use of antiviral drugs. Declaring a pandemic is more than semantics. It helps to standardise national responses, puts pressure on countries to update their plans and allocate hospital space.


The world has grown smarter since then and, because of increasing global travel, more dangerous. There is thus no excuse for the WHO to delay. It may fear creating panic and it may be under pressure to play down the impact of the coronavirus lest it nudge the global economy towards recession. Instead the WHO’s leadership prefers to laud China’s attempts to stamp out the virus rather than highlight Beijing’s initial delayed response. That is simply not good enough. China’s reporting has to be held up to scrutiny. Its wildlife and “wet” markets, under the purview of local councils rather than central government, have long been a source of diseases passed from animal to human. Soon Covid-19 virus, left unchecked, will pass into states in Africa and beyond. The WHO is being frighteningly complacent."


Wow! Mirrors what some of us have been saying for days.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Pretty much everything listed in the first paragraph is already being done. You do realise that?


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
27 February 2020 10:10:58


UK now on 15. Does that put us ahead of France? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


One contracted in Italy and one in Tenerife.


I think we may be level with France unless they’ve reported new cases overnight. Given their land border with Italy you’d think their risk was rather higher.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Ally Pally Snowman
27 February 2020 10:20:02


UK now on 15. Does that put us ahead of France? 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


France are on 18 cases with 2 dead. New cases popping up all the time now all over Europe . It would seem inevitable that a major European outbreak is on the way. I still think the disruption will be the story rather than the amount of dead though hopefully. 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Brian Gaze
27 February 2020 10:27:31


 


 


France are on 18 cases with 2 dead. New cases popping up all the time now all over Europe . It would seem inevitable that a major European outbreak is on the way. I still think the disruption will be the story rather than the amount of dead though hopefully. 


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Bloody French ahead of us.


Brian Gaze
Berkhamsted
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Ally Pally Snowman
27 February 2020 10:33:16

Another case in Spain today connected to a champions league game in Milan on 19th February .


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
xioni2
27 February 2020 10:36:49

This thread is getting sillier and more media driven by the day.


 

The Beast from the East
27 February 2020 10:42:22

Schoolchildren must be praying for closures. I remember in the 80s when it snowed and we were told not to come in. Happiest days of my life!


I could stay at home and watch Rolf Harris fiddling around with Morph and Philip Schofield playing with a glove puppet controlled by a man kneeling between his legs


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Maunder Minimum
27 February 2020 10:43:26

More on the Japanese double infection - this is truly alarming in epidemiological terms:


"A woman working as a tour bus guide in Japan tested positive for the coronavirus a second time after an apparent recovery, the first in the country to do so as the infection continues to spread globally. 


The Osaka resident, in her forties, first tested positive in late January after leading a tour that included visitors from China’s Wuhan, the outbreak epicentre. She was discharged from the hospital after recovering on February 1, prefectural authorities said in a statement.


On Wednesday, however, she tested positive again after developing a sore throat and chest pains about a week ago."


I see Xioni is still  on the complacency bus.


New world order coming.

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