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Maunder Minimum
28 February 2020 08:39:45


 


Exactly.


I have no idea what’s driving Maunder’s antipathy towards the WHO. It’s a bizarre, unjustified and completely pointless vendetta.


Any informed and reasonable person would have a grasp of their role and understand what they’re doing. 


It is not about public posturing and grand statements.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


If you look back through this thread to the early days, some of us have been pointing out foot dragging by the WHO from the outset. The criticisms are justified and once this is over, I am sure there will be an inquiry into how things might have been done more quickly and better.


It is unfair to consider that criticising the WHO has suddenly popped out of thin air, for the reasons I give above.

New world order coming.
Ulric
28 February 2020 08:40:31


The odd thing about the new Coronavirus to me is that the symptoms in many people seem less severe than those caused by ordinary flu. However, in a small percentage of cases it is severe and kills the host. To a non-expert like me it almost seems akin to a turbocharged "super" cold rather than a strain of the flu. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think that's an important observation. There do seem to be a group of people who become infected but do not become seriously ill. There may be a degree of natural immunity present in groups of the population. Open speculation.

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28 February 2020 08:42:40
Although it's 'flu-like' it's a SARS relative and potentially far more deadly.
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Ulric
28 February 2020 08:42:51


If you look back through this thread to the early days, some of us have been pointing out foot dragging by the WHO from the outset.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Don't worry Maunder. I'm sure some brave entrepreneurs and good old private enterprise will step up to the plate and save us all.


To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
The Beast from the East
28 February 2020 08:42:54

As Q mentions many times, a virus that kills too many hosts doesn't last long. This virus is close to perfection in terms of spreading itself and long incubation period. If its true that it can re-emerge and re-infect the same patient, then it really would be remarkable.


Revenge of the Pangolin indeed. 

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Saint Snow
28 February 2020 08:52:42


I stopped reading after the first sentence as it implies you know more about "the curve" than the world's leading health organisation. You dont.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


 


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Gandalf The White
28 February 2020 08:58:42


As Q mentions many times, a virus that kills too many hosts doesn't last long. This virus is close to perfection in terms of spreading itself and long incubation period. If its true that it can re-emerge and re-infect the same patient, then it really would be remarkable.


Revenge of the Pangolin indeed. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


No, as Michael explained yesterday it is behaving, surprisingly, just like a coronanavirus.

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Gandalf The White
28 February 2020 09:01:22

Although it's 'flu-like' it's a SARS relative and potentially far more deadly.

Originally Posted by: four 


Yet little different to the H1N1 strain of Coronavirus and, in fact, not at all as deadly as SARS.


 

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The Beast from the East
28 February 2020 09:05:08


 


No, as Michael explained yesterday it is behaving, surprisingly, just like a coronanavirus.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


So why are the markets tanking again? 

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Gandalf The White
28 February 2020 09:05:45


 


If you look back through this thread to the early days, some of us have been pointing out foot dragging by the WHO from the outset. The criticisms are justified and once this is over, I am sure there will be an inquiry into how things might have been done more quickly and better.


It is unfair to consider that criticising the WHO has suddenly popped out of thin air, for the reasons I give above.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


If you look back through the the thread you'll find that I have been consistent in taking exception to your unwarranted, groundless, ill-informed vendetta against the WHO.


I will continue to flag this every time you trot out the same nonsense.


 


If I listed all of the 'obvious measures' that you say should have been taken over the last six weeks half the world would be in lock-down by now. 


You're being ridiculous.


 

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Maunder Minimum
28 February 2020 09:06:00

This is what a medical doctor has just written on the Times website:


"Surely we should stop all oversea travel in and out now. This would clearly stop it. Waiting with our borders open will cause complete economic and social meltdown. This is so obvious it is ridiculous."

New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
28 February 2020 09:09:51


 


So why are the markets tanking again? 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Eh? Because (a) they're in panic mode, (b) the markets were overvalued and just waiting for negative news to tip the balance, (c) there are clear economic and profit impacts in the short-term, and (d) markets don't like uncertainty and we have no idea how this will play out or how long it will last.


Markets are about sentiment as much as fundamentals. We'll have to wait for sentiment to swing back. At some point buyers thinking 'prices are now cheap" will counter those taking fright.

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Gandalf The White
28 February 2020 09:11:49


This is what a medical doctor has just written on the Times website:


"Surely we should stop all oversea travel in and out now. This would clearly stop it. Waiting with our borders open will cause complete economic and social meltdown. This is so obvious it is ridiculous."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Whilst stopping all overseas travel won't cause an economic meltdown?  How much money is made and how many jobs are there in the tourism/hospitality sector.


Sorry, he's just wrong.

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Heavy Weather 2013
28 February 2020 09:13:02


This is what a medical doctor has just written on the Times website:


"Surely we should stop all oversea travel in and out now. This would clearly stop it. Waiting with our borders open will cause complete economic and social meltdown. This is so obvious it is ridiculous."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Yes, this now needs to be considered at the highest levels of government.

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four
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28 February 2020 09:19:37


 


Whilst stopping all overseas travel won't cause an economic meltdown?  How much money is made and how many jobs are there in the tourism/hospitality sector.


Sorry, he's just wrong.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


They won't come anyway once cases here are in the 100s  probably next week

North York Moors weather 
xioni2
28 February 2020 09:23:32


Yes, this now needs to be considered at the highest levels of government.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


There is no chance of this happening..

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28 February 2020 09:40:27
Saint Snow
28 February 2020 09:43:18



They won't come anyway once cases here are in the 100s  probably next week


Originally Posted by: four 


 


In the hundreds? 


Gosh!!


That must be what proportion of the 66m population? Where's me calculator...


 


 


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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
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Saint Snow
28 February 2020 09:46:27


I have no idea what’s driving Maunder’s antipathy towards the WHO. It’s a bizarre, unjustified and completely pointless vendetta.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


WHO is a supra-national body that seeks to propagate international cooperation, and frequently takes what right-wingers consider to be a 'lefty' position on subjects.


And you're surprised people like Maunder grab any opportunity to stick the boot in with the hope that doing so weakens or even destroys it?


 


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
westv
28 February 2020 09:47:27

I wouldn't be surprised to see markets in -30% territory or lower.

At least it will be mild!
bowser
28 February 2020 09:49:22


 


He hates any organisation where different countries work together


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


And many on here think our national government / institutions are fair game (which they should be), but supranational organisations are somehow infallible / unquestionable.

xioni2
28 February 2020 09:52:36


 And many on here think our national government / institutions are fair game (which they should be), but supranational organisations are somehow infallible / unquestionable.


Originally Posted by: bowser 


Can you provide any examples? I haven't seen anyone saying that supranational organisations are infallible/unquestionable.


 

xioni2
28 February 2020 09:53:43


I wouldn't be surprised to see markets in -30% territory or lower.


Originally Posted by: westv 


That would be good news for some of us!


 

Saint Snow
28 February 2020 09:54:06


 


Eh? Because (a) they're in panic mode, (b) the markets were overvalued and just waiting for negative news to tip the balance, (c) there are clear economic and profit impacts in the short-term, and (d) markets don't like uncertainty and we have no idea how this will play out or how long it will last.


Markets are about sentiment as much as fundamentals. We'll have to wait for sentiment to swing back. At some point buyers thinking 'prices are now cheap" will counter those taking fright.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


You add that such is the reliance on Chinese goods (from finished product to components in the manufacturing process) in western economies, that the hardline approach to Covid-19 containment over there is going to impact the profitability of a big chunk of corporations. Add in the knock-on effects akin to a ripple on a pond in a global economy that is still relatively fragile (the recent US economy growth is built, for instance, on foundations of a 'sugar rush' monetary injection that's fizzling out) and you can see why, along with the reasons you point out, the markets are tanking.


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
speckledjim
28 February 2020 09:54:49


This is what a medical doctor has just written on the Times website:


"Surely we should stop all oversea travel in and out now. This would clearly stop it. Waiting with our borders open will cause complete economic and social meltdown. This is so obvious it is ridiculous."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Well that Doctor is a moron then....

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