true, but they may have to play in empty stadiums and the victory procession would be banned 

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We'll have won it anyway within 3-4 weeks.

Would love to win it at either Everton or Abu Dhabi. 

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2 riders test positive for coronavirus at cycling's tour of the UAE resulting in the rest of the race being cancelled

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/51667939

Diamond princess data.

 

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Ha yes, it was tongue in cheek...but he already dislikes me apparently so I guess that matters not *shrug*

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Can't be liked by everyone I guess. 

Just to let you know, you're in the minority 

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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-japan-confirms-first-case-of-person-being-reinfected-with-covid-19-11944295?

Oh FFS

So not only can people retest positive (in at least a small number of cases) but you can actually get symptoms twice. Hopefully this is just a tiny minority of cases. Because in addition to it being highly infectous, relatively deadly, and having a taste for the lungs and the immune system it might also be able to pull the chicken pox trick of allowing people to catch this damn thing twice.

 

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Looks like a circa 4% drop in the FTSE when it opens in just over an hour - more discounting going on as the bears continue to panic.

As for Q's worry, I'm not bothered about that person having symptoms twice. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's started coming down with a cold, then the symptoms clear up. After another week or so, wham, it hits with full force - it hadn't, in fact, cleared up, it was merely in abeyence. Note that I'm NOT saying this is as mild as a cold, it clearly isn't, but it's a similar family of viruses so no surprise if it happens here.

I'm still expecting the various containments to fail and this thing to become another variant of flu out in the wild (albeit a more potent one than the usual strains). If it does, it'd lead to the following:

No more lockdowns and panic, it'd help ease the "demographic timebomb" that everyone's fretting about, result in more houses entering the market and will relieve the bed-blocking problem due to a lack of social care for the elderly.

(And yes, I know that wouldn't be nice for those who have elderly relatives or who are elderly themselves, before anyone says it. I'm lucky, I guess, in that I'm only 40 but have no elderly relatives left; I have no children and don't want any either. I guess there are very few in the same situation.)

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its the bulls that are panicking. Bears are making hay!

It's not only the Muslim religion hindering disease control (cf earlierposts re Qom). This relates to the suspected identifiaction of the original SK case who, incidentally, refused to accept treatment.

Authorities in the South Korean city of Daegu are set to file charges against the leader of a religious sect.

The head of Daegu's Shincheonji Church is accused of violating the infectious disease control and prevention act by failing to submit the names of all its members.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51669434

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You could be describing almost any other virus regarding viral latency and secondary infection. Virology is a fascinating area.

As mentioned numerous time, its mortality rates won’t be known for some time.

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I'm not an expert but I've always understood that some viruses never really leave your body and can flare up again later. Sort of like chickenpox resurfacing as shingles years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenpox#Pathophysiology

 

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Yes that is true U. I think perhaps in this case it was probably a flare up from someone who (they) thought had recovered rather than the type of latency seen in chickenpox. Time will tell but it’s not unusual for a recurrence in symptoms with a range of viruses (and some other pathogens).

None of this makes it more or less deadly necessarily and I suspect the virus responsible for Covid-19 is and will be the subject of many studies for many years to come. 

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I was interested to note that chickenpox (including shingles) kills 6300 people per annum.

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Number of active cases dropped yesterday for the 9th day in a row. Obviously this is due to the progress that China is making so it will be interesting to see if the drop continues or if there is a rise consistent with the increase in the number of countries reporting the virus.

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The odd thing about the new Coronavirus to me is that the symptoms in many people seem less severe than those caused by ordinary flu. However, in a small percentage of cases it is severe and kills the host. To a non-expert like me it almost seems akin to a turbocharged "super" cold rather than a strain of the flu. 

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Everybody is well behind the curve, including the lamentable WHO.

Take the Scandinavian business I work for - on Wednesday, they sent out an advisory to all staff which only mentioned China when it came to travel restrictions - I emailed my manager and queried why Italy was not included. Today they sent out an advisory forbidding all travel not approved by senior management and requesting all externals (such as myself) to not to travel to place of work, unless already there (I was supposed to fly to Denmark next month, but I had already cancelled that from my side - just as well).

Here is an extract from the new advisory sent to all staff:

"

1. All business travel in the Nordic/Baltic countries must be kept to a minimum.
   2. As an alternative to any travel, meetings should primarily be held via telephone or video
   conferencing.
   3. All business travel to any location outside of the Nordic/Baltic countries must be approved by a
   GEM member.
   4. Any business-critical travel to the countries/areas affected by the Coronavirus is prohibited
   unless a specific approval has been received by the Group CEO. We are currently applying the list
   of countries/areas identified by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC)
   as follows:
    Hong Kong
    China
    Iran
    Italy
    Japan
    Singapore
    South Korea
   The ECDC is constantly updating this list as the transmission of the virus spreads and we as a
   Company will continue to evaluate the countries/areas identified from a Telia perspective. This
   list is therefore subject to change.
   5. ** Company employees who have been to or travelled through one of these listed
   countries/areas since February 17 should not return to the workplace for 14 days but instead
   work from home in dialogue with your manager. This applies to all employees regardless of the
   display of any symptoms.
   6. ** Company also recommends its employees to avoid private travel to any of the listed
   countries/areas.
   7. Regarding contacts with customers, suppliers or other external parties who have travelled to or
   through the affected areas, no face-to-face meetings should be held but conducted primarily via
   telephone or video conferencing."

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I stopped reading after the first sentence as it implies you know more about "the curve" than the world's leading health organisation. You dont.

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The United Arab Emirates has scrapped the final two stages of the 2020 UAE cycling tour after two Italian team participants tested positive for the virus.

Participants, organisers and staff members who were part of the event are now being screened for the virus. Others who came into contact with the two Italians will be placed under observation.

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They were very slow to declare a PHEIC, they did not advise against tourism in the Far East - cruises in particular, they appear to have been reacting (slowly) to events instead of being robust from the outset. It is possible (yes I know hindsight is a wonderful thing) that if they had been more robust, the spread may have been less. It is self evident that we now have a pandemic and one has not been declared.

Following Swine Flu, the WHO was criticised for being too alarmist, but it looks to me as though they have over compensated with COVID-19 - better to be too alarmist than insufficiently robust in my view.

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Exactly.

I have no idea what’s driving Maunder’s antipathy towards the WHO. It’s a bizarre, unjustified and completely pointless vendetta.

Any informed and reasonable person would have a grasp of their role and understand what they’re doing. 

It is not about public posturing and grand statements.

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Those picture from China little more than a month ago of people dead in the street and hospitals overflowing suggest this is anything like a super cold. Trying telling that to the thousands who have died 

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Yes, we had a similar approach yesterday from my employer.

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He hates any organisation where different countries work together

 

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You don't get a runny rose apparently - coughing, chest infection and fever are the symptoms

 

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