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westv
07 March 2020 18:20:17

This is why we should be worried.

https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095180459003909?s=19

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Who is Liz Specht?


At least it will be mild!
The Beast from the East
07 March 2020 18:20:17

I have a bidet with has a bum gun. I hardly even use toilet paper


 




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bowser
07 March 2020 18:22:23


 


Yes, but that wasn't the point I was making. Why do you overreact and misinterpret whenever the EU is mentioned? Serious question.


My point was a strategic one and I agree that other European countries have fallen into the same trap for the same reasons. 


At a time of crisis, such as Covid-19, are we likely to get a more favourable response from our fellow European countries or one thousands of miles away with whom we have little in common beyond trade? Strategically the EU should be looking at security of supply of a range of things from food to energy to pharmaceuticals and more.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


i didn’t realise that pointing out that Europe has outsourced much the same stuff as we have was overreacting. Our supply chains are fragile because they don’t account for risk / disruption adequately. This is as true within the EU as it is outside. Other countries can mitigate risk without being part of a political union.


 

Caz
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07 March 2020 18:26:48

I've not had chance to catch up much today, but honestly what is this deal with people stockpiling bog roll? Surely in a time of crisis you'd be stockpiling food and medication etc, but why specifically toilet paper? Am I seriously missing something here?

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

No your not missing anything!  You probably just see this as senseless, like I do!  I’ve kept up to date with all the posts on this thread and the two threads before it, yet I still fail to see the logic behind the loo roll frenzy!   I understand the herd theory but fail to see why shop shelves should be cleared of that particular item, yet remain heaving with other essentials!  


Perhaps it’s time to flush this subject down the sewer!  


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The Beast from the East
07 March 2020 18:27:24


 


Who is Liz Specht?


Originally Posted by: westv 


No idea but I think she is right


Boris doesn't want to move to crowd restrictions and school closures. He wants to wait till the easter holidays but it maybe too late


China and Korea have done ok to keep a lid on things by taking harsh measures


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Ulric
07 March 2020 18:37:42

A doubling every six days for the UK assuming 300 actual cases now


07/03/2020     300.00
13/03/2020     600.00
19/03/2020     1,200.00
25/03/2020     2,400.00
31/03/2020     4,800.00
06/04/2020     9,600.00
12/04/2020     19,200.00
18/04/2020     38,400.00
24/04/2020     76,800.00
30/04/2020     153,600.00
06/05/2020     307,200.00
12/05/2020     614,400.00
18/05/2020     1,228,800.00
24/05/2020     2,457,600.00
30/05/2020     4,915,200.00
05/06/2020     9,830,400.00
11/06/2020     19,660,800.00
17/06/2020     39,321,600.00
23/06/2020     78,643,200.00


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Gavin D
07 March 2020 18:39:56

Cases by region



  • East of England | 16 (+5)

  • London | 38 (+9)

  • Midlands | 17 (+5)

  • North East and Yorkshire | 18 (+5)

  • North West | 26 (+4)

  • South East | 30 (+4)

  • South West | 25  (+3)


To be determined | 14 (-1)

Gavin D
07 March 2020 18:43:50
Breaking: France have reported 336 new cases and 5 new deaths in the last 24 hours.

Total of 949 and 16 deaths.
Quantum
07 March 2020 18:44:03


A doubling every six days for the UK assuming 300 actual cases now


07/03/2020     300.00
13/03/2020     600.00
19/03/2020     1,200.00
25/03/2020     2,400.00
31/03/2020     4,800.00
06/04/2020     9,600.00
12/04/2020     19,200.00
18/04/2020     38,400.00
24/04/2020     76,800.00
30/04/2020     153,600.00
06/05/2020     307,200.00
12/05/2020     614,400.00
18/05/2020     1,228,800.00
24/05/2020     2,457,600.00
30/05/2020     4,915,200.00
05/06/2020     9,830,400.00
11/06/2020     19,660,800.00
17/06/2020     39,321,600.00
23/06/2020     78,643,200.00


Originally Posted by: Ulric 


Thankfully we arn't in the exponential phase yet.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Caz
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07 March 2020 18:45:31


A doubling every six days for the UK assuming 300 actual cases now


07/03/2020     300.00
13/03/2020     600.00
19/03/2020     1,200.00
25/03/2020     2,400.00
31/03/2020     4,800.00
06/04/2020     9,600.00
12/04/2020     19,200.00
18/04/2020     38,400.00
24/04/2020     76,800.00
30/04/2020     153,600.00
06/05/2020     307,200.00
12/05/2020     614,400.00
18/05/2020     1,228,800.00
24/05/2020     2,457,600.00
30/05/2020     4,915,200.00
05/06/2020     9,830,400.00
11/06/2020     19,660,800.00
17/06/2020     39,321,600.00
23/06/2020     78,643,200.00


Originally Posted by: Ulric 

So, by mid June we’ll all have it!


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Northern Sky
07 March 2020 18:51:39




Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Soft southerners. I went to Morrisons today, the shelves were full and all was calm.


 

Bugglesgate
07 March 2020 19:00:34


So, by mid June we’ll all have it!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 



At some point  well before then it will slow becuase an increasing proportion of the population will have had it and therefore be immune (if they aren't dead !)


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Bugglesgate
07 March 2020 19:03:01


Soft southerners. I went to Morrisons today, the shelves were full and all was calm.


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 


Not a million miles    from me, but no sign of that bloody nonsense around here.  Seriously, what the hell are people  going to do with the quantities being loaded in that video.   I can only assume it's not for personal use and they are  trying to make a "turn" on Fleabay.


 


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Quantum
07 March 2020 19:14:22

My crude model predicts the following over the next three days in terms of total cases:


0 days: 206


+1 day: 274 (+68)


+2 days: 347 (+73)


+3 days: 432 (+85)


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Roger Parsons
07 March 2020 19:19:21


So, by mid June we’ll all have it!


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I feel another league table coming on, Caz. We each predict if/when we are going to get Covid-19 across March to July.


We'd need a thread and organiser for that.


Roger


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Bugglesgate
07 March 2020 19:23:14


 


I feel another league table coming on, Caz. We each predict if/when we are going to get Covid-19 across March to July.


We'd need a thread and organiser for that.


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


 


The  problem will be categorically knowing if you have had it - especially for the younger members of the forum who are more likely  to have mild  symptoms .  Additionally, if it really takes off, no way will they be able to offer testing for everyone.


 


 


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Gandalf The White
07 March 2020 19:26:28


 


 



At some point  well before then it will slow becuase an increasing proportion of the population will have had it and therefore be immune (if they aren't dead !)


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


An expert on this subject said 80% was the effective limit precisely for that reason. It also means that the rate of infection will slow at some point - we have to hope the mild variant is the one that spreads most.


 


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Caz
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07 March 2020 19:35:06


 


I feel another league table coming on, Caz. We each predict if/when we are going to get Covid-19 across March to July.


We'd need a thread and organiser for that.


Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

  I’ve already had a narrow escape by all accounts!  Or, maybe I have had it and escaped with mild symptoms!  


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Maunder Minimum
07 March 2020 19:42:54


 


Again....


When did these cruises start and from where?  Two weeks ago there were really only the known mayor hotspots and cancelling a cruise leaving from the UK wouldn't be seen as necessary, given there had been fewer than 100 cases across 60 million people.  


I find it very strange that on the one hand you talk of the economic harm from the virus but then spend so much time advocating actions that would made the harm much worse and much sooner.  Panicky cancellation of holidays is much the same as panicky buying.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Hardly a rational decision to go on a cruise when a novel virus pandemic is gripping the world. You are trapped if a fellow passenger tests positive and you are then on a plague ship and likely to get infected too.


It is the same with visiting Italy at the moment - unless the visit is essential - don't!


The Copenhagen office of the company I work for is closed this coming week for deep clean and colleagues of the guy whose wife went to Milan have been told to work from home and self isolate for two weeks - all because his wife went to Milan last weekend, fell ill on Wednesday and tested positive on Thursday. Bonkers behaviour!


Of course, we will get the epidemic here, but no point exposing yourself to it by visiting  a country where it is already endemic or going on a cruise and risking incarceration with a boatload of sick people.


 


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
07 March 2020 19:47:38

Breaking: France have reported 336 new cases and 5 new deaths in the last 24 hours.

Total of 949 and 16 deaths.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


The French team should not be travelling to Murrayfield tomorrow - the French have not contained the virus at all and they are on the same road as Italy.


P.S. a virus epidemic ends once sufficient people have had it and built up antibodies to it - that is how the Spanish Flu finally ended after three waves of it.


New world order coming.
Brian Gaze
07 March 2020 19:56:51


Percentage of deaths by age group in Italy



90+ years old: 6% 
80 - 89 years old: 42% 
70 - 79 years old: 35% 
60 - 69 years old: 16%


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That's 99% I think. Do we have details of the other 1%?


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Brian Gaze
07 March 2020 19:58:41
The situation in the US could turn out to be the worst. They really need to step up quickly.
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Gandalf The White
07 March 2020 19:59:10


 


The French team should not be travelling to Murrayfield tomorrow - the French have not contained the virus at all and they are on the same road as Italy.


P.S. a virus epidemic ends once sufficient people have had it and built up antibodies to it - that is how the Spanish Flu finally ended after three waves of it.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Hopefully a century on, with infinitely better healthcare and medicines and the likelihood of a vaccine, we won't see three waves of anything like the same intensity and mortality rates.


I agree about not travelling to areas which have outbreaks - and I agree about not going on a cruise ship now. My point was that two weeks ago the numbers were significantly lower and the perceived risk similarly lower. How many cruise ships are there versus the number reporting infections?  I expect it's still very much the minority but I agree that you really don't want to be stuck on one if an outbreak occurs.


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xioni2
07 March 2020 20:00:38


 That's 99% I think. Do we have details of the other 1%?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Probably the rounding effect?

Gandalf The White
07 March 2020 20:02:45

The situation in the US could turn out to be the worst. They really need to step up quickly.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


It would seem they're not really organised or prepared. You know there's an issue when people are being charged $3,000 for a Coronavirus test instead of it being picked up by the federal government. That alone is indicative of sloppy thinking.


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