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Roger Parsons
10 March 2020 16:26:07


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Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Meant to add - I was told the informal motto of the The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine is:


"Diarrhoea is our bread and butter"



RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Arcus
10 March 2020 16:31:51
Need to keep things in proportion. People were ringing the police when KFC ran out of chicken a couple of years ago.
Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Maunder Minimum
10 March 2020 16:32:36


 


Same goes to those stuck on Cruise ships as well


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


In spades. I would sacrifice 5K rather than risk being stuck on a quarantined plague ship. Another one is in trouble now - the Caribbean Princess off Florida - I guess the company which owns the Princesses is in serious trouble.


https://www.businessinsider.com/princess-cruises-ship-not-allowed-dock-coronavirus-florida-2020-3?r=US&IR=T


 Oh - and finally the USA government has provided the following advice:


"The State Department advised Americans not to go on cruise ships amid the coronavirus outbreak, on Sunday. The CDC also warned against people with underlying health conditions or the elderly from going cruises. "


- does that mean the no-shows will now be compensated?


New world order coming.
xioni2
10 March 2020 16:35:01


 Yes it is scary stuff. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Rational thinking is always our best tool. Let's say the real number of cases in the UK is x times the verified ones and even allowing for a possible cluster in your area, the risk that you'll be infected remains low, the risk that you'll need intensive care is very low and the risk that you'll die is extremely low.


If you have an elderly loved one that you need to visit often, then perhaps you should be worried a bit more and consider social distancing in order to reduce your risk of infection further.


Don't lose sleep over this.


 


 

xioni2
10 March 2020 16:37:07


 In spades. I would sacrifice 5K rather than be stuck on a quarantined plague ship. 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


For some people this amount could be savings over a long period and a lifetime dream. Nothing is black and white.

Arcus
10 March 2020 16:37:20
bowser
10 March 2020 16:37:26


 


 


This was leisure - booked a while ago for a special occasion with his girlfriend.


The problem people have had is that until either official government advice is to not travel, or the flight is cancelled, you cannot claim a refund.


This case was only a long weekend, but still... a couple of flights, nice hotel; going to be close to £1k.


For those with a cruise booked (that Maunder sneers at so much) you're probably talking £5k. Not many people can just write-off that sort of money.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I'm assuming if they can afford a £5K cruise, they can likely afford to write it off. Depends what your risk appetite is I guess.

springsunshine
10 March 2020 16:37:33


 


 


This was leisure - booked a while ago for a special occasion with his girlfriend.


The problem people have had is that until either official government advice is to not travel, or the flight is cancelled, you cannot claim a refund.


This case was only a long weekend, but still... a couple of flights, nice hotel; going to be close to £1k.


For those with a cruise booked (that Maunder sneers at so much) you're probably talking £5k. Not many people can just write-off that sort of money.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes but potentially what price do you put on your life? If I had a holiday on a cruise ship or in Italy coming up id say bugger the money ain`t worth risk! Money is replaceable health and certainly your life are not!!

Retron
10 March 2020 16:39:14


 


I'm feeling twitchy about it. I'm 50, not overweight, don't smoke and have no underlying health conditions / treatment. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm not. I'm 40, overweight (but not massively so) and have no health issues.


I have no elderly relatives and no children. I live alone.


If the odds go against me, I catch it and I die, I won't care as I'll be dead!


The nearest A&E is a good half hour's drive away, so if I end up needing hospital care I'd be dead anyway.


(If I don't post for a while, then you read a story about a stinking corpse being found in a house in Kent, it could well be me. )


 


Leysdown, north Kent
David M Porter
10 March 2020 16:39:49


 


Rational thinking is always our best tool. Let's say the real number of cases in the UK is x times the verified ones and even allowing for a possible cluster in your area, the risk that you'll be infected remains low, the risk that you'll need intensive care is very low and the risk that you'll die is extremely low.


If you have an elderly loved one that you need to visit often, then perhaps you should be worried a bit more and consider social distancing in order to reduce your risk of infection further.


Don't lose sleep over this.


 


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Wise words xioni. As Nick Ross used to say, "Don't have nightmares, do sleep well".


Let's hope that when the virus reaches its peak here in the UK, we do not end up in the kind of situation that the Italians are now facing and the Chinese did as well when this all started.


 


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Chunky Pea
10 March 2020 16:39:56


Don't lose sleep over this.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Sound advice, and I must say, not all that worried about it myself, but keeping a close eye on it all the same. 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
David M Porter
10 March 2020 16:43:13

There are two ways of looking at this for me. One can either take the Corporal Jones attitude of "Don't Panic", or they can take the Private Frazer mindset of "We're all doomed".


I think that I for one will stick with Corporal Jones for now.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
doctormog
10 March 2020 16:48:56

The best approach (for your emotional and mental wellbeing) is to be aware, properly informed but not alarmed. That is easier to say if you are not in one if the more vulnerable or high risk groups I admit. Who knows what the next few months will hold but then again in one way or another whoever knows for each if us anyway?


Chunky Pea
10 March 2020 16:49:41

For what it is worth, here are is the global mean up today from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control.


(Cases/death/mortality rate %)












 Total11424340233.52

Compared to yesterday, the mortality rate is up by 0.05%. 


 


Current Conditions
https://t.ly/MEYqg 


"You don't have to know anything to have an opinion"
--Roger P, 12/Oct/2022
Northern Sky
10 March 2020 16:49:55


There are two ways of looking at this for me. One can either take the Corporal Jones attitude of "Don't Panic", or they can take the Private Frazer mindset of "We're all doomed".


I think that I for one will stick with Corporal Jones for now.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Yes but Corporal Jones used to shout "Don't Panic" while flapping his arms and running round in a circle David 

Saint Snow
10 March 2020 16:51:30

Need to keep things in proportion. People were ringing the police when KFC ran out of chicken a couple of years ago.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


You been reading David Squires today?


 



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Arcus
10 March 2020 16:59:20


 


 


You been reading David Squires today?


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I don't want to infect the thread with the "Come on Eileen" quip...


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Darren S
10 March 2020 17:07:12


From that list, one which is striking is Kensington and Chelsea. 13 cases, population 156,197 according to Google - 83 cpm (cases per million). Worse than China and slightly better than Iran. I'm supposed to be visiting a customer on the Kings Road of London next week, right in the heart of well-heeled Chelsea, but I think I'll do the job remotely.


Other high ones:


Torbay 52 cpm
Brighton and Hove 27 cpm
Southwark 25 cpm
Barnet 20 cpm
Westminster 20 cpm

Two of the largest totals in the list are government areas with much higher population:
Hertfordshire 14 cpm
Hampshire 7 cpm


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
speckledjim
10 March 2020 17:16:30


 


From that list, one which is striking is Kensington and Chelsea. 13 cases, population 156,197 according to Google - 83 cpm (cases per million). Worse than China and slightly better than Iran. I'm supposed to be visiting a customer on the Kings Road of London next week, right in the heart of well-heeled Chelsea, but I think I'll do the job remotely.


Other high ones:


Torbay 52 cpm
Brighton and Hove 27 cpm
Southwark 25 cpm
Barnet 20 cpm
Westminster 20 cpm

Two of the largest totals in the list are government areas with much higher population:
Hertfordshire 14 cpm
Hampshire 7 cpm


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Only 3 cpm for my part of the world (Yorkshire/North East)


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Gavin D
10 March 2020 17:16:42
Breaking: The first case of coronavirus in County Durham has been confirmed this afternoon. Darlington Borough Council has revealed a person in the town has tested positive for COVID-19.
Gavin D
10 March 2020 17:17:44
Breaking: Italy reports 977 new cases of coronavirus and 168 new deaths

Total to 10,149 cases and 631 deaths
The Beast from the East
10 March 2020 17:17:53


 


 


I have no elderly relatives and no children. I live alone.


If the odds go against me, I catch it and I die, I won't care as I'll be dead!


The nearest A&E is a good half hour's drive away, so if I end up needing hospital care I'd be dead anyway.


(If I don't post for a while, then you read a story about a stinking corpse being found in a house in Kent, it could well be me. )


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Same here! I developed a nasty cold today. Just a cold, not a temperature but I feel rotten. Cant shake it off as I used to be able to


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
speckledjim
10 March 2020 17:19:20

Breaking: Italy reports 977 new cases of coronavirus and 168 new deaths

Total to 10,149 cases and 631 deaths

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


Well down on yesterday's number of new cases (1797). Let's hope that trend continues


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Heavy Weather 2013
10 March 2020 17:20:39


 


 


Well down on yesterday's number of new cases (1797). Let's hope that trend continues


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Yes, lets hope that the number of cases coming down is the start of a trend.


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
xioni2
10 March 2020 17:23:03


 Well down on yesterday's number of new cases (1797). Let's hope that trend continues


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Indeed.


'Death rate' at 6.22% today (up from 5.05% yesterday).

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