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Maunder Minimum
11 March 2020 14:11:04

I am with Quantum in this debate and always have been. Authorities on the whole have been doing too little too late across the board - as I keep pointing out, Taiwan showed the way back at the outset.


My wife's friend is here today and she has a holiday let in southern Italy and friends over there. She has been texted this afternoon by an Italian friend to say that the government there is issuing a new decree this evening preventing all internal travel - people have to stay at home unless they can prove good reason to travel.


Now that is what I call draconian.


New world order coming.
warrenb
11 March 2020 14:11:41
I believe we are now at the beginning of the acceleration stage. Positive to tests are more than double the percentage yesterday, the number of positives are also higher in real terms against a background of fewer tests actually being done yesterday.
Brian Gaze
11 March 2020 14:12:01
Has Raab tested negative? If not why was he in HoC?
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Gavin D
11 March 2020 14:13:56
Will be interesting to see how many of the 83 are in London. It was here where we saw the biggest increase yesterday.
Maunder Minimum
11 March 2020 14:15:01

Has Raab tested negative? If not why was he in HoC?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Raab is one of the UnDead in any case, so he should be immune.


Just read the following on the BBC website - so much for EU solidarity:


"


Yesterday we shared the news that Chinese President Xi Jinping had declared the epidemic in Wuhan, where the virus first emerged, as "virtually curbed".


Now, in a powerful signal, the country is sending aid to Italy.


Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio, who has nurtured close ties with Beijing, had a chat with his opposite number on Tuesday.


Now China has offered 100,000 face masks, 20,000 protective suits and 1,000 ventilators. Chinese state media said the Red Cross Society of China was even considering sending a medical team to Italy.


Late last night, EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced a €25bn (£22bn; $28bn) Corona Response Investment Fund.


At present, three EU states - Germany, France and the Czech Republic - have banned the export of face masks to ensure they don't go short themselves."


 


New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
11 March 2020 14:16:06

Will be interesting to see how many of the 83 are in London. It was here where we saw the biggest increase yesterday.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Will be Liverpool next week - I cannot believe that the match against Atletico is going ahead. I emailed my MP last week begging her to use her influence to get the match abandoned.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:16:43


 


Yes I did, why would I be talking about isolated cases without sustained local transmission? I've clearly been talking about exponential growth. All of this was response to the post where I suggested the UK is probably entering sustained local transmission now.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Since when is the expression 'sustained local transmission' the same as 'exponential growth'?


I repeat, you didn't make yourself clear.


 


The countries of the Middle East are seeing a growth in cases.  Just look at the data.


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Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:18:42


 


Will be Liverpool next week - I cannot believe that the match against Atletico is going ahead. I emailed my MP last week begging her to use her influence to get the match abandoned.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


I am with you on this point - given the outbreak in Spain it does seem an unnecessary risk.  It could have been played behind closed doors, of course.


But is it any riskier than allowing Cheltenham to take place?


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speckledjim
11 March 2020 14:19:25


 


Since when is the expression 'sustained local transmission' the same as 'exponential growth'?


I repeat, you didn't make yourself clear.


 


The countries of the Middle East are seeing a growth in cases.  Just look at the data.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


We have absolutely no idea re local transmission and exponential growth in many, many countries as they are testing so few people. Turkey, for example, has performed less than 1000 tests. 


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Quantum
11 March 2020 14:20:02


 


Since when is the expression 'sustained local transmission' the same as 'exponential growth'?


I repeat, you didn't make yourself clear.


 


The countries of the Middle East are seeing a growth in cases.  Just look at the data.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Exponential growth is a consequence of sustained local transmission.


 


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Chunky Pea
11 March 2020 14:30:41

Mortality rate (global 😵 for the last 3 days up to today:



Minuscule rise.  


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Gavin D
11 March 2020 14:31:30

Cases by region in England



  • East of England | 32 (+3)

  • London | 104 (+13)

  • Midlands | 42 (+6)

  • North East and Yorkshire | 32 (+8)

  • North West | 43 (+6)

  • South East | 60 (+9)

  • South West | 44 (+3)


To be determined | 30 (+15)

warrenb
11 March 2020 14:35:58
Delay phase being mooted for this Sunday to begin. Anyone know the actual affect this will have ?
Gavin D
11 March 2020 14:37:20

Delay phase being mooted for this Sunday to begin. Anyone know the actual affect this will have ?

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


A statement will be made in the commons at 7pm tonight. Maybe that will contain more info.

Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:37:29


Cases by region in England



  • East of England | 32 (+3)

  • London | 104 (+13)

  • Midlands | 42 (+6)

  • North East and Yorkshire | 32 (+8)

  • North West | 43 (+6)

  • South East | 60 (+9)

  • South West | 44 (+3)


To be determined | 30 (+15)


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


 


That adds up to 63 new cases for England, so it's an increase of just under 20%, which is about the same as yesterday.  


A doubling roughly every four days on these figures.


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picturesareme
11 March 2020 14:39:17
Is it not possible that this virus was already in Italy or Iran back in early January when it was still just starting to make headlines in China.
Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:39:33

Delay phase being mooted for this Sunday to begin. Anyone know the actual affect this will have ?

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


 


The BBC piece shows under the 'Delay' phase:  close schools, encourage home working, limit large gatherings.


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274


 


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Brian Gaze
11 March 2020 14:41:46


 


 


A statement will be made in the commons at 7pm tonight. Maybe that will contain more info.


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Isn't it time for Boris to address the nation?


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Maunder Minimum
11 March 2020 14:44:46


 


Isn't it time for Boris to address the nation?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


That will come tomorrow after the COBRA meeting.


I hope they don't close schools as part of this - it is not the best approach. For flu pandemics, closing schools makes sense, since children are the most susceptible to influenza, but by all accounts, children don't suffer much with COVID-19, it is the elderly who are most at risk - closing schools will mean grand parents and the retired being more exposed than otherwise, I would have thought.


New world order coming.
Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:45:09

Is it not possible that this virus was already in Italy or Iran back in early January when it was still just starting to make headlines in China.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Given that the first transmission in Wuhan was sometime in the latter part of December it's quite possible that some Chinese people or people returning from the Wuhan area carried it with them before any restrictions were put in place.


 


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Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 14:46:17


 


Isn't it time for Boris to address the nation?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Will he give a better impression than Trump?  Trump seems more concerned about the stock market and his re-election prospects.


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westv
11 March 2020 14:47:24


 


Isn't it time for Boris to address the nation?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


And what would he say that we don't know already?


At least it will be mild!
JHutch
11 March 2020 14:49:37

Delay phase being mooted for this Sunday to begin. Anyone know the actual affect this will have ?

Originally Posted by: warrenb 


I realise there are far more serious things to worry about but from a personal point of view I am doing a major marathon next month and am unsure whether to continue training for it or whether to assume it will not be run (seeing how things have gone so far I find it hard to see it going ahead). My next long run is scheduled for Sunday but I am moving that to Tuesday when I have a day off as I don't want to do a 20 mile training run and then find later that day, or on the next day, that the marathon is cancelled/postponed.

David M Porter
11 March 2020 14:50:55


 


 


Given that the first transmission in Wuhan was sometime in the latter part of December it's quite possible that some Chinese people or people returning from the Wuhan area carried it with them before any restrictions were put in place.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


While no-one can be sure one way or the other, given the way in which the virus has spread to so many countries around the world since the turn of the year, I wouldn't be at all surprised if what you say is pretty near to the truth, Peter.


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picturesareme
11 March 2020 14:53:15


 


 


Given that the first transmission in Wuhan was sometime in the latter part of December it's quite possible that some Chinese people or people returning from the Wuhan area carried it with them before any restrictions were put in place.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


With that possibility then there would have been no way to contain the virus, but that i guess would also lean weight towards the idea that this virus is not much worse than the flu. 

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