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Heavy Weather 2013
11 March 2020 12:57:07

Spain cases pass 2,000


New health ministry figures say roughly half are in the Madrid region, where two-thirds of the virus deaths have occurred.


There are 2,002 cases nationally, up by 363 from the previous day. Deaths reached 47, up 11 from Tuesday.

Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
John p
11 March 2020 12:57:46
This is a superb budget in terms of mitigating economic impacts of the virus.

Can’t stand the Tories, or this Chancellor, but I have to say i’m impressed so far.
Camberley, Surrey
Saint Snow
11 March 2020 12:58:49


From Sky


For businesses with fewer than 250 employees Government will fund SSP for two weeks - £2billion - big move to encourage self isolation, good news for SMEs


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I wonder if HMG wanted to get clarity on these messages out today ahead of changing advise later.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


 


They still aren't officially requesting that companies allow people to work from home wherever possible.


 


 


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westv
11 March 2020 13:09:50

Does anybody else half think for a moment "is this it?" every time they cough or feel a slight twinge?

At least it will be mild!
Quantum
11 March 2020 13:11:02


 


 


They still aren't officially requesting that companies allow people to work from home wherever possible.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I suspect they have been doing this behind the scenes already. Probably so as not to 'cause panic'. I obviously disagree with this approach and think this needs to be official now.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
11 March 2020 13:12:00
Can't see how european football competitions will be completed this season. Getafe are refusing to fly to Milan to play Inter and Roma have been told that Spain won't allow their plane to land for their match against Seville.

I reckon they'll cancel all competitions.
Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
xioni2
11 March 2020 13:12:10


 I suspect they have been doing this behind the scenes already. Probably so as not to 'cause panic'. I obviously disagree with this approach and think this needs to be official now.


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I have asked my company twice, there has been nothing from the govt or PHE.


 

Quantum
11 March 2020 13:13:50


 


I have asked my company twice, there has been nothing from the govt or PHE.


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+


And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
11 March 2020 13:16:39
Breaking: The Netherlands have reported 121 new cases and 1 new death

Total to 503 cases and 5 deaths
xioni2
11 March 2020 13:17:57


And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+


And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It can help even now though. No point looking back and contemplating what if scenarios.


People are still getting in packed trains (much worse than airplanes!).


 


 

doctormog
11 March 2020 13:20:19


 


And the time to do this is not even now. It was a month ago+


And this is the problem, the point at which people are finally no longer being complacent it's already too late. If most companies had started to prepare in January then they would be all able to implement it by now.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.

Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
Quantum
11 March 2020 13:20:34

We finally have a paper on the half life of the virus on surfaces.


 


The good news is that it doesn't survive significantly longer than SARS (except on cardboard). My recommendation is to leave a product for 24 hours (preferably in a heated area) before you use it to ensure you don't pick up the virus.


 


 



 


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
11 March 2020 13:21:41


 This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Indeed and some of the finest armchair experts too.


Brian Gaze
11 March 2020 13:21:41
What happened to the Cobra meeting today? Has it been cancelled?
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speckledjim
11 March 2020 13:21:49


 


These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Quantum
11 March 2020 13:22:32


 


These accusations of complacency are tiresome and inaccurate. As is your suggestion that taking draconian measures would have stopped the spread. Any virologist would tell you such measures, which would almost certainly be economically very harmful, would at very best slow the spread. Time will tell which approaches have been most effective. Until then perhaps leave the epidemiology to the epidemiologists? A measured approach has been taken up to this point, hopefully that will continue. This country has some of the world's finest medical researchers.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Draconian measures did stop the spread in China, but I never suggested that they should be used here.

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
xioni2
11 March 2020 13:24:11


We finally have a paper on the half life of the virus on surfaces.


 My recommendation is to leave a product for 24 hours (preferably in a heated area) 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Your stomach?


xioni2
11 March 2020 13:26:49
Ally Pally Snowman
11 March 2020 13:31:22


In the last 24 hours, 9 planes from mainland Spain have landed in Liverpool; another 4 due before this evening.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


That really is utter madness Spain is Italy 1 week ago.


 

Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
11 March 2020 13:34:07


 


 


 


That really is utter madness Spain is Italy 1 week ago.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


And this is why I will continue to yell 'complacency' until we stop being complacent!


The govt has clearly handeled this, in some ways, rather well. But why Spain is not in the same catogary as Italy yet bemuses me.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gandalf The White
11 March 2020 13:35:56


I think we are entering the sustained local transmission phase now.


This could have been prevented.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Er, no it couldn't.


Nowhere on the planet is it being 'prevented'.  The best you can do is manage the rate at which the epidemic evolves and how it evolves,

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Quantum
11 March 2020 13:38:51


 


Er, no it couldn't.


Nowhere on the planet is it being 'prevented'.  The best you can do is manage the rate at which the epidemic evolves and how it evolves,


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Er it was prevented in Singapore, it was prevented all over Europe the 'first time' this arrived in January.


Of course it could have been prevented.


Most middle eastern countries prevented the Iran cluster from spreading to their countries too.


 

2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin D
11 March 2020 13:39:55
Can anyone translate this a bit more? It's not a vaccine as such but whatever it is seems to have worked on the pneumonia side

https://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus_funziona_farmaco_artrite_sperimentato_a_napoli_migliorato_il_paziente-250936784/ 
xioni2
11 March 2020 13:42:16

Can anyone translate this a bit more? It's not a vaccine as such but whatever it is seems to have worked on the pneumonia side

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

">https://napoli.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus_funziona_farmaco_artrite_sperimentato_a_napoli_migliorato_il_paziente-250936784/


Immediately a national protocol to extend the use of tocilizumab, an anti-arthritis drug, in patients infected with coronavirus and in critical conditions. This was asked by the oncologist Paolo Ascierto, from Pascale di Napoli: "The drug has proven to be effective against Covid-19 pneumonia".


In Naples, he explains, "the first 2 patients were treated in Italy, in 24 hours the therapy showed excellent results and tomorrow one of the 2 patients will be extubated because his condition has improved. Yesterday, the treatment started for 2 other people and today we will deal with two more ".

speckledjim
11 March 2020 13:44:13


 


Er it was prevented in Singapore, it was prevented all over Europe the 'first time' this arrived in January.


Of course it could have been prevented.


Most middle eastern countries prevented the Iran cluster from spreading to their countries too.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It cannot be prevented , Singapore have announced 12 more cases today. The middle east are announcing new cases daily. The only way any country could prevent it would be to have completely shut down from global society since January and that would have been an idiotic act.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip

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