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Gavin D
12 March 2020 10:46:12
Iran have passed 10,000 cases

Total cases now 10,075 with 429 deaths
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 10:48:01


Breaking: Iran have reported 1075 new cases and 75 new deaths in the past 24 hours


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Still the tip of the iceberg - @ 300 Shiite pilgrims returning to a ME country yesterday ( I did not catch which one) were tested and put into quarantine - 50% of those tested proved positive. There will genuinely be millions infected in Iran as I stated over a week ago (to derision from some quarters).


German experiments show that COVID-19 sheds (i.e. spreads from an infected person) at 1,000 the rate of SARS for comparison.


 


New world order coming.
Gavin D
12 March 2020 10:48:35
99 new cases reported in Denmark they now have 615 confirmed cases.
Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 10:49:52

EasyJet are still flying to Milan from LGW, Edinburgh and Manchester today - lunatic!


New world order coming.
xioni2
12 March 2020 10:50:54


 I don't either, but I believe the medical professionals do. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I asked my contact in Milan if he knows anything about the symptoms there. Anecdotal obviously by he says most people he knows they got it, only had 'inconvenient/annoying symptoms like a cold'.


He also says that the closure of restaurants, cafes and bars has made the biggest psychological impact on people and there is obviously more fear now (but mostly for old people).


 

Gavin D
12 March 2020 10:53:18
China have reported 15 new confirmed cases and 11 new deaths (10 in Hubei - 1 in Shaanxi) they also have 33 suspected cases.

1,318 patients were discharged from hospitals in the past 24 hours with another 2,206 released from self isolation.
Brian Gaze
12 March 2020 10:54:34


 


I asked my contact in Milan if he knows anything about the symptoms there. Anecdotal obviously by he says most people he knows they got it, only had 'inconvenient/annoying symptoms like a cold'.


He also says that the closure of restaurants, cafes and bars has made the biggest psychological impact on people and there is obviously more fear now (but mostly for old people).


 


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


There seems to be confusion about the symptoms. That is another worry. For example, does it give a sniffly nose like a cold? I've heard yes and no as the answer. 


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Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 10:54:37

99 new cases reported in Denmark they now have 615 confirmed cases.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Like most European countries, Denmark showed extreme complacency, allowed travel to and from Italy without checks, did too little testing at home and guess what? Now they are in panic mode, people are panic buying and the government is taking action, but they still leave their borders open.


What is it that European governments don't get? Closing borders is an essential part of keeping the virus at bay, combined with automatic 14 day quarantine for those coming in, extensive testing and temperature monitoring.


Some countries understood this and took appropriate action at an early stage - Taiwan, Moldova, Israel - all are now doing the right thing.


But in Europe which is now the global epicentre outside of Iran, they have just let it rip and the European people still trust their politicians????


New world order coming.
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12 March 2020 10:55:47


For my personal approach if I could do things again I would do it differently. I have learnt alot from this experience and fatigue is a real thing. If I had the time again I would change a few things around and try to transition more smoothly. But it was my first time doing this so I wasn't going to get all the details right. I definitely don't regret starting early and getting into the right mindset though. And stockpiling early turned out to, defintetely, be the right move and avoided all the crowdes and panic later one.


Still, while I agree that timing is important, I'd also enphasise it is impossible to know when things will take off because of the week or so lag. Italy took off without warning and that could have happened in the UK. One thing I will enphasise is although personal precautions can only go so far there is alot the government could have done if it had prepared much earlier.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Don’t regret what you’ve done!  Just put it down to experience and accept it as being something you’ve learnt.  If you hadn’t done it, you wouldn’t have learnt, so it wasn’t in vain!  That’s just how life should be!   
I’m just pleased to see you’re not quite as stressed!  


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Gavin D
12 March 2020 10:58:39
Breaking: Germany report 511 new cases and 1 new death

Total to 2,078 and 4 deaths
xioni2
12 March 2020 11:00:42


 There seems to be confusion about the symptoms. That is another worry. For example, does it give a sniffly nose like a cold? I've heard yes and no as the answer. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I've actually read repeatedly that sniffly nose is relatively rare. This is another area where the UK govt is not following the WHO guidelines IMO:



  • Establish and maintain a relationship of trust with the public

  • Be clear and repeat often what the symptoms are and what the public should do if they suspect an infection

  • Be transparent on the progress of the outbreak and what the authorities are doing about it

westv
12 March 2020 11:00:54

FTSE continues to tank. Looks a bit like the next crash that was always going to come at some point. As I might be giving up work this year I'll be happy to get it over and done with.


At least it will be mild!
Brian Gaze
12 March 2020 11:02:25

Breaking: Germany report 511 new cases and 1 new death

Total to 2,078 and 4 deaths

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


That sounds like a pretty solid increase. What was it yesterday?


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NickR
12 March 2020 11:02:52
Arcus
12 March 2020 11:04:30


 


UK only figure?


Originally Posted by: westv 


Yes.


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westv
12 March 2020 11:11:24


 


Yes.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


Maybe we should have a TWO sweepstake. The winner gets free toiler roll for a year. 


At least it will be mild!
David M Porter
12 March 2020 11:13:13


 


Like most European countries, Denmark showed extreme complacency, allowed travel to and from Italy without checks, did too little testing at home and guess what? Now they are in panic mode, people are panic buying and the government is taking action, but they still leave their borders open.


What is it that European governments don't get? Closing borders is an essential part of keeping the virus at bay, combined with automatic 14 day quarantine for those coming in, extensive testing and temperature monitoring.


Some countries understood this and took appropriate action at an early stage - Taiwan, Moldova, Israel - all are now doing the right thing.


But in Europe which is now the global epicentre outside of Iran, they have just let it rip and the European people still trust their politicians????


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Hear hear, MM.


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xioni2
12 March 2020 11:15:23


I would strongly recommend everyone read this.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Thanks. Measures I have taken personally:



  • increased quantity and quality of hand washing since late Jan

  • started working from home since the 5th of March

  • I will now start staying at home much more

  • I will self isolate if I get a fever or and coughing

  • I started watching the Sopranos for a third time, but UIA is an issue

Gavin D
12 March 2020 11:16:43
Breaking: Real Madrid’s football players sent home to quarantine for 15-days after a member of the basketball team tested positive for coronavirus.
Gavin D
12 March 2020 11:20:13


 


That sounds like a pretty solid increase. What was it yesterday?


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


343/1 


 


Yesterday

Maunder Minimum
12 March 2020 11:26:26


I would strongly recommend everyone read this.


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Excellent Nick - this is the key part for me:


"



  • Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).

  • Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%


"


Plus:


"Containment is making sure all the cases are identified, controlled, and isolated. It’s what Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan or Taiwan are doing so well: They very quickly limit people coming in, identify the sick, immediately isolate them, use heavy protective gear to protect their health workers, track all their contacts, quarantine them… This works extremely well when you’re prepared and you do it early on, and don’t need to grind your economy to a halt to make it happen."


 


New world order coming.
nsrobins
12 March 2020 11:26:44
Ireland about to announce closure of schools and colleges (R5L just now).
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Quantum
12 March 2020 11:27:45


 


Excellent Nick - this is the key part for me:


"



  • Countries that are prepared will see a fatality rate of ~0.5% (South Korea) to 0.9% (rest of China).

  • Countries that are overwhelmed will have a fatality rate between ~3%-5%


"


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Which, I believe, puts it at very similar levels as the Spanish flu which had the same sort of heterogenity.


Seems like there is a good chance this could be the worst pandemic in our lifetimes.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
12 March 2020 11:28:07


I would strongly recommend everyone read this.


https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca


Originally Posted by: NickR 


 


It's at the 'severe' end of forecasts, but I agree that we need to be taking certain measures now.


At my work, we've spent the past fortnight making sure everybody can work from home if they have to. There's always been the option to WFH for odd days where there's a reason. We've got extra hand sanitisers everywhere, and taken loads of other little steps to help protect people. Realistically, I can't fault my employers here.


But they're not encouraging people to work from home. From speaking with one of the senior management team, they're waiting for guidance from the Govt. 


And this guidance hasn't been forthcoming. 


They only need to say something like "Whilst we appreciate not everyone can work from home, we ask that employers encourage staff who can effectively work from home to do so." That would trigger a lot of employers to flip to that being the policy for now.


Fewer people travelling on public transport. Fewer people congregating at workplaces/offices. Few potentially spreading contagion.


 



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Gavin D
12 March 2020 11:29:05
Breaking: Man City v Real Madrid next week called off.

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